Thybulle to Dallas, THJ dump

[jayjaysee]

Another random bad idea.

Charlotte: Martin, Richards
Charlotte: THJ, Powell, 2028 Miami 2nd

Charlotte gets an NBA player for free-ish. Get a second for taking on Powell. Powell is still somehow overpaid, but is a great example for Williams and will be great for him in practice

Portland: Thybulle
Portland: Richards, 2025 Toronto 2nd, 2026 Dallas 2nd, 2028 Charlotte second

Portland saves 6 of the 8ish million they need to. The rest can be saved just be trimming the roster down. They get a nice second and a couple other seconds..

Dallas: THJ, Powell, and 4 seconds.
Dallas: Martin and Thybulle

Dallas gets the guy they wanted last season. And hopes Martin can get healthy and get back to his outlier season somehow. It does nothing for opening the MLE. And probably doesn’t help the spacing for Luka. But it does change the perimeter defense?

[HornetJail]

i'd pass on this, no need to take on Powell

[jayjaysee]

i'd pass on this, no need to take on Powell

Don’t disagree he is not really necessary, but I don’t think he ruins the deal for Charlotte.. Can roll as well as almost anyone in the league, knows positioning, hustles, and makes almost everything the guard sets up… still not actually a good NBA player (not green font).. but a really good person to have around the kids.

Don’t see why that would be a hold up for a team with no tax issues for the two years. You’re just subbing the more effective Richards for the better lock room piece..

[Godaddycurse]

Richard can probably be dumped for free to a team needing C depth so it becomes Martin for THJ, Powell and a 2nd which seems really rough for Charlotte

[jayjaysee]

Richard can probably be dumped for free to a team needing C depth so it becomes Martin for THJ, Powell and a 2nd which seems really rough for Charlotte

I don’t think Portland cares if it’s Richards 5 million or Bertans 5 million. Richards and Powell are both 3rd string centers, Richards better but if either is playing - you’re probably not happy..

If it’s Bertans you could just stretch the five mil and the tax problems are gone in Portland?

Not sure if I like the stretching part, but would be the easiest way to duck the tax the rest of the way.

Or just find a different way to clear that last 4-5 million I guess.

[Texas Chuck]

Richard can probably be dumped for free to a team needing C depth so it becomes Martin for THJ, Powell and a 2nd which seems really rough for Charlotte

I don't like this for Charlotte either, but I'm not sold a team is just taking on Richards for free. Which team is doing that?

[Godaddycurse]

Richard can probably be dumped for free to a team needing C depth so it becomes Martin for THJ, Powell and a 2nd which seems really rough for Charlotte

I don't like this for Charlotte either, but I'm not sold a team is just taking on Richards for free. Which team is doing that?

from his other thread:

——- and one of these?

OKC: fake 2nd
OKC: Richards

Presti is 30+ million under the cap and needs a guy that can push people around. This is not Richards. But it’s a start.

Toronto: fake 2nd
Toronto: Richards

Whether Toronto acts as a cap space or keeps their TPE, this is legal. They could use a third string center, especially if they do end up moving on from Poeltl.

Memphis: Fake 2nd
Memphis; Richards

Memphis has TPE’s and a clear need for a true big body center. Richard’s is cheap enough to not impact their salary situation, but would help in limited minutes.

maybe bit of cash is needed though?

[Texas Chuck]

Would you take Richards for free? Why?

[Godaddycurse]

Would you take Richards for free? Why?

If we don't draft/sign a big, sure. Need someone to soak up C minutes/command the tank if we trade Poeltl/rebuild. His last yr is unguaranteed anyways so there's no risk.

[Texas Chuck]

Would you take Richards for free? Why?

If we don't draft/sign a big, sure. Need someone to soak up C minutes/command the tank if we trade Poeltl/rebuild. His last yr is unguaranteed anyways so there's no risk.

Fair enough. I would think you could spend $5M under the tax line more efficiently, but I guess you see more in the player than I do. I feel like I can sign a vet min off the street who is a better player/room guy.

[Godaddycurse]

Would you take Richards for free? Why?

If we don't draft/sign a big, sure. Need someone to soak up C minutes/command the tank if we trade Poeltl/rebuild. His last yr is unguaranteed anyways so there's no risk.

Fair enough. I would think you could spend $5M under the tax line more efficiently, but I guess you see more in the player than I do. I feel like I can sign a vet min off the street who is a better player/room guy.

Vet min signings are usually for 1 yr or 1+1 PO instead of the 1+1 unguaranteed salary structure of Richards. the latter offers more flexibility.

[jayjaysee]

Reading my reasonings for those examples, I am glad I didn’t pick a career in sales/

Richards is not good and I don’t see why he would be a hold up. OP should really just be changed to Bertans and a stretch. Portland has 3 centers they like already

If Charlotte part is still off on value, oh well.

Deal doesn’t really make too much sense for Dallas anyways as you end up needing to move Green or Maxi or Martin to open the MLE. And Martin is the worst player of the group. Better to just dump THJ on Toronto or Detroit and pay Portland to do Thybulle for Powell. That opens 12 mil of the MLE, clears Toronto’s tax problems and checks all the other boxes probably?

Just tried a different puzzle, wasn’t a good one.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I don't like this for Portland, but if they can't move Simons, Grant, or Ayton, I consider it to trim both payroll and occupied roster spots.

[GoBobs]

Dallas would get cut out in this deal. No reason for Charlotte to take on THJ or Powell. 2nd round pick doesn't change the equation.

Also Richards is a decent player and a good player for the money. No idea why he is getting trashed here.

He averaged 10, 8 and 1 blk in 26 minutes on .717 true shooting percentage. Teams could do a lot worse for 5 mil per year.

[tester551]

Another random bad idea.

Charlotte: Martin, Richards
Charlotte: THJ, Powell, 2028 Miami 2nd

Charlotte gets an NBA player for free-ish. Get a second for taking on Powell. Powell is still somehow overpaid, but is a great example for Williams and will be great for him in practice

Portland: Thybulle
Portland: Richards, 2025 Toronto 2nd, 2026 Dallas 2nd, 2028 Charlotte second

Portland saves 6 of the 8ish million they need to. The rest can be saved just be trimming the roster down. They get a nice second and a couple other seconds..

Dallas: THJ, Powell, and 4 seconds.
Dallas: Martin and Thybulle

Dallas gets the guy they wanted last season. And hopes Martin can get healthy and get back to his outlier season somehow. It does nothing for opening the MLE. And probably doesn’t help the spacing for Luka. But it does change the perimeter defense?

Apparently, Im in the minority... I prefer Powell to Richards.

Let Charlotte keep Richards & send Portland Powell instead.

[tester551]

How about this to simplify & clean up the trade:

Dallas: OMax + THJ for Martin + Thybulle

Charlotte: Martun for THJ

Portland: Thybulle for OMax

Picks are eliminated. Any debate on Richards/Powell is removed.

Portland gets a better prospect and less salary.

[Apz]

How about this to simplify & clean up the trade:

Dallas: OMax + THJ for Martin + Thybulle

Charlotte: Martun for THJ

Portland: Thybulle for OMax

Picks are eliminated. Any debate on Richards/Powell is removed.

Portland gets a better prospect and less salary.

Nah, dont see a reason mavs switch omax on a rookie deal for the corpse of martin.

[Mavrelous]

In a deal where Mavs turn THJ and Powell into Thybulle and Martin, for 4 2nd rd picks one of them should be around #35 next year, Mavs aren't the ones stealing value here, but by all means, please cut them out

[jayjaysee]

Dallas would get cut out in this deal. No reason for Charlotte to take on THJ or Powell. 2nd round pick doesn't change the equation.

Also Richards is a decent player and a good player for the money. No idea why he is getting trashed here.

He averaged 10, 8 and 1 blk in 26 minutes on .717 true shooting percentage. Teams could do a lot worse for 5 mil per year.

Christian Wood averages 18 and 10 with a block and then 17 and 7 with a block. And ended up on a vet min.

But if Charlotte is willing to pay for Thybulle, I do like them adding an elite defender and think it’s a good idea.

[Myth]

Richard can probably be dumped for free to a team needing C depth so it becomes Martin for THJ, Powell and a 2nd which seems really rough for Charlotte

I don’t think Portland cares if it’s Richards 5 million or Bertans 5 million. Richards and Powell are both 3rd string centers, Richards better but if either is playing - you’re probably not happy..

If it’s Bertans you could just stretch the five mil and the tax problems are gone in Portland?

Not sure if I like the stretching part, but would be the easiest way to duck the tax the rest of the way.

Or just find a different way to clear that last 4-5 million I guess.

Just checking, but does Bertan’s contract need to be guaranteed prior to him being traded? That is the case with many non-guaranteed contacts, so I wasn’t sure if that was the case here. Also worth noting, Richards definitely holds more value than a waived Bertans because of the ability to be sent out in follow up trades. But you are right that if the main goal is salary savings and 2nds, either version of the trade will do. It is simply a matter of whether Portland can save salary in a Brogdon/Simons/Grant trade instead, and if not, this trade works.