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Portland trades: Grant/Thybulle/#7/#14
Portland gets: Capela/#1 overall

Detroit trades: #5
Detroit gets: #7/#14/Hunter

Atlanta trades: Hunter/Capela/#1
Atlanta gets: Grant/Thyulle/#5

So this is under the belief that Atlanta is focused on winning now and going off the reports suggesting they really like Clingan. So they drop back, but still get their guy. Get an upgrade next to JJ at forward, add a bench defender they need, and shed some salary for this season.

Detroit picks up a 2nd lottery pick for moving back just 2 spots and taking on Hunter. Portland doesn't want Hunter, but Detroit could actually use a guy like him.

Portland combines 3 good but not premium assets to go up to get another cornerstone to go with Scoot/Sharpe and get well under tax now and generate enormous savings over the next 3 years.

Texas Chuck wrote:Portland trades: Grant/Thybulle/#7/#14
Portland gets: Capela/#1 overall

Detroit trades: #5
Detroit gets: #7/#14/Hunter

Atlanta trades: Hunter/Capela/#1
Atlanta gets: Grant/Thyulle/#5

So this is under the belief that Atlanta is focused on winning now and going off the reports suggesting they really like Clingan. So they drop back, but still get their guy. Get an upgrade next to JJ at forward, add a bench defender they need, and shed some salary for this season.

Detroit picks up a 2nd lottery pick for moving back just 2 spots and taking on Hunter. Portland doesn't want Hunter, but Detroit could actually use a guy like him.

Portland combines 3 good but not premium assets to go up to get another cornerstone to go with Scoot/Sharpe and get well under tax now and generate enormous savings over the next 3 years.

I think that Detroit would cut out Portland if it valued the first overall pick. Detroit isn’t trading back to add a pick while taking on Hunter. Detroit could easily absorb Hunter and Capela with 1 for 5 and say Stewart and Grimes who I value higher than the players being given up by Portland. Portland steals a lot of value while Detroit takes one on the chin.

DetroitDon15 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Portland trades: Grant/Thybulle/#7/#14
Portland gets: Capela/#1 overall

Detroit trades: #5
Detroit gets: #7/#14/Hunter

Atlanta trades: Hunter/Capela/#1
Atlanta gets: Grant/Thyulle/#5

So this is under the belief that Atlanta is focused on winning now and going off the reports suggesting they really like Clingan. So they drop back, but still get their guy. Get an upgrade next to JJ at forward, add a bench defender they need, and shed some salary for this season.

Detroit picks up a 2nd lottery pick for moving back just 2 spots and taking on Hunter. Portland doesn't want Hunter, but Detroit could actually use a guy like him.

Portland combines 3 good but not premium assets to go up to get another cornerstone to go with Scoot/Sharpe and get well under tax now and generate enormous savings over the next 3 years.

I think that Detroit would cut out Portland if it valued the first overall pick. Detroit isn’t trading back to add a pick while taking on Hunter. Detroit could easily absorb Hunter and Capela with 1 for 5 and say Stewart and Grimes who I value higher than the players being given up by Portland. Portland steals a lot of value while Detroit takes one on the chin.

jsut becuase you value stewart and grimes higher doens't make them better players. Grant and thybulle are better players on the court if atlanta wants to win

as for OP i think portland owes a bit more value

Problem at 5 & 7 is Clingan has to fall past 3 & 4

Whole Truth wrote:Problem at 5 & 7 is Clingan has to fall past 3 & 4

There is obvious risk for Atlanta that he doesn't make it to 5. He does not need to make it to 7. But unless a team trades out its unlikely Portland takes Clingan at 1 or Washington at 2. Houston unlikely to take a backup center to their best player and Spurs unlikely to take a backup to their franchise player.

I think its a reasonable gamble for the Hawks to take.

Godaddycurse wrote:as for OP i think portland owes a bit more value

Couple questions:

How would you address that?
Would Portland pay it? I'm kinda already expecting pushback if I'm honest though clearly I think this is a good deal for them.

I actually really like it for all three teams unless Atlanta has convinced themselves Sarr is going to be a star.

Portland solves their salary problems and finishes the rebuild with one more tank season.

Atlanta solves their tax issues and fixes their defense.

Detroit gets great value.

Feel like Atlanta is owed a bit more from Portland but not sure it would be enough to kill a good trade. Maybe Reath+2nds or something since they lose a center here?

If Clingan goes to Houston/SAS - I’ll be surprised. But Atlanta can draft Castle and develop him next to Trae... Or they can trade back further for more win now help pending what happened with the Murray trade (still should split the two guards up even with this trade IMO)

Texas Chuck wrote:

Whole Truth wrote:Problem at 5 & 7 is Clingan has to fall past 3 & 4

There is obvious risk for Atlanta that he doesn't make it to 5. He does not need to make it to 7. But unless a team trades out its unlikely Portland takes Clingan at 1 or Washington at 2. Houston unlikely to take a backup center to their best player and Spurs unlikely to take a backup to their franchise player.

I think its a reasonable gamble for the Hawks to take.

- Houston is open to trading #3 for a proven player
- Spurs have been rumored to 4 & 8 for #1 Risarcher

Neither Houston or Spurs need to draft a C as you state but they're trade in & trade up possibilities that a team targeting #1 would cut off your deal at 5.

Whole Truth wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

Whole Truth wrote:Problem at 5 & 7 is Clingan has to fall past 3 & 4

There is obvious risk for Atlanta that he doesn't make it to 5. He does not need to make it to 7. But unless a team trades out its unlikely Portland takes Clingan at 1 or Washington at 2. Houston unlikely to take a backup center to their best player and Spurs unlikely to take a backup to their franchise player.

I think its a reasonable gamble for the Hawks to take.

- Houston is open to trading #3 for a proven player
- Spurs have been rumored to 4 & 8 for #1 Risarcher

Neither Houston or Spurs need to draft a C as you state but they're trade in & trade up possibilities that a team targeting #1 would cut off your deal at 5.

Well Portland is moving to 1 in my deal and Atlanta can ask as part of it who they are taking. And they are unlikely to do this just to trade out to SA, right?

As to the rest, yes I mentioned there was risk. There is always risk. As Jay mentions though there are other paths for Atlanta to take. Clingan but one of them.

Good well thought out three way trade. Wouldn’t work most years, but given the weakness of the top half of the lottery this seems viable.

seems way too good for Detroit IMO, 5 in this draft gets 7 and 14 and Hunter? not for me

The problem is that I doubt anyone in this draft would go top 3 in a normal draft

Atlanta if they really value Clingan, should simply pick him first. He's more ready to play in
2024.

Atlanta need a bit more from both Portland and Detroit in my opinion.
Probably a protected first more from each.

Who does POR love at #1 to do this? Sarr?

JRoy wrote:Who does POR love at #1 to do this? Sarr?

I guess, all these top 3 or 5 or whatever have warts and it's a total crapshoot, IMO not worth trading up to #1 at this price, not close

Blazinaway wrote:

JRoy wrote:Who does POR love at #1 to do this? Sarr?

I guess, all these top 3 or 5 or whatever have warts and it's a total crapshoot, IMO not worth trading up to #1 at this price, not close

Sarr is not falling past Wizards at #2. If Sarr is a specified target, then you have to trade into #1.

Whether he will be worth it or not, is yet to be determined.

Blazinaway wrote:

JRoy wrote:Who does POR love at #1 to do this? Sarr?

I guess, all these top 3 or 5 or whatever have warts and it's a total crapshoot, IMO not worth trading up to #1 at this price, not close

Agreed.

Don’t see the utility in the move for POR unless they really love the most likely first overall selection.

JRoy wrote:

Blazinaway wrote:

JRoy wrote:Who does POR love at #1 to do this? Sarr?

I guess, all these top 3 or 5 or whatever have warts and it's a total crapshoot, IMO not worth trading up to #1 at this price, not close

Agreed.

Don’t see the utility in the move for POR unless they really love the most likely first overall selection.

I mean obviously right? I get a lot of posters here have bought into the narrative its crap/flat draft. And they absolutely could be right. But yeah the idea is based on the idea that Portland loves Sarr or Risacher and sees them as a 3rd core piece. Suck one more year, draft a 4th then have a bunch of money to spend and in 2 years a rebuild is complete.

And I struggle with an argument that 1 is nothing but giving up 7 and 14 is then a huge overpay. If 1 is worth little than those picks are worth less. Obviously 14 and Grant never get you from 7 to 1 in a Zion/Wemby draft. But this year they can.

But I can't tell you if the actual Blazers love a guy. I can only go by what makes sense to me. And what makes sense to me as Portland would be to combine stuff to go get the best player I can and move off salary so I can start putting the pieces that fit around my new young core.

Obviously posters who can't see any good players in this draft, this deal isn't for them. Nothing I can do there. I'm not here to sell anyone on any of these players. Some years I really believe a player in a draft is can't miss, most I don't. I was all in on Luka and really right. I was one of the last men standing on Suggs island there for a minute. So I'm hit or miss.

Whoever picks first is going to be paying a massive rookie contract to a guy that has a much, much higher chance of completely sucking for his whole rookie deal, if not forever, than your typical #1 pick.

I don’t see this draft as overly weak from say 9-20. It’s your usual collection of maybes, a few of which will be huge steals and regular starters, if not more. But the top 8 or so picks are quite a bit weaker than you’d expect, especially the top 5. There’s just nothing there you can count on.

All that said, yea, I’m sure the Pistons would trade 5 for 7+14+Hunter. They’re getting the best deal here.

Feels like Detroit is getting a bit too much here for moving down 2 spots in this draft. 14th pick should go to Atlanta. Maybe Portland throws a little something else to Detroit instead of the 14th pick. Other than that though, I like the idea for Portland, if Schmitz is really sold on Sarr.