Hear me out Kings fans (w/NY)

[SNPA]

I am proposing moving back and picking up Randle.

Randle/24/25 for Barnes/Sasha/Duarte/13

For Sac, Randle and Sabonis are a bad fit for 30+ minutes a night together. However, they are fine next to each other for 10-12 minutes. Introducing your Monk bench scorer replacement. Likely Randle starts to keep him happy but 4-5 minutes into the 1st and 3rd he comes out and staggers with Sabonis. Maybe they see a few minutes on offense together in crunch situations. Randle leads the second unit.

Kings draft Holmes and Kolek. Use the MLE on a wing like Marshall from Pels. Send Davion to the Spurs for 35 (Spurs aren’t using all those picks and he is a Pop guy). Draft Bridges. Len and PG for vet min.

Holmes is length and shot blocking. Kolek is a true PG…both old rookies and ready. Randle is also good if Sabonis gets injured and Sac needs offensive from the frontline.

Bigs: Sabonis/Holmes/Randle/Lyles/Len
Guards: Fox/Ellis/Huerter/Kolek/Jones/vet min
Wings: Murray/Marshall/Bridges/Edwards

Locks in cheap players. Randle expires when Murray is due.

For NY, draft Edey. Tibs guy. Long term center. Duarte is too. Barnes helps. Sasha is expiring and maybe hits enough shots to get minutes.

[Godaddycurse]

wait so why is NYK dumping Randle?

[psman2]

I am not a Randle guy, but if this is all NY can get for him I think I rather just ride the season out with him and then decide if I want out of the Randle business after next season.

[Knickfan1982]

wait so why is NYK dumping Randle?

I think the idea is that the team really clicked in a big way without Randle when OG joined the Nova trio. Defense was strong and Brunson turned into a real #1. Kind of it if its not broke don't fix it kind of thing. There is also the thought that its better to trade Randle now than find out he doesn't fit our new Brunson paradigm and have to sell him for scraps during the season.

[Knickfan1982]

I am proposing moving back and picking up Randle.

Randle/24/25 for Barnes/Sasha/Duarte/13

For Sac, Randle and Sabonis are a bad fit for 30+ minutes a night together. However, they are fine next to each other for 10-12 minutes. Introducing your Monk bench scorer replacement. Likely Randle starts to keep him happy but 4-5 minutes into the 1st and 3rd he comes out and staggers with Sabonis. Maybe they see a few minutes on offense together in crunch situations. Randle leads the second unit.

Kings draft Holmes and Kolek. Use the MLE on a wing like Marshall from Pels. Send Davion to the Spurs for 35 (Spurs aren’t using all those picks and he is a Pop guy). Draft Bridges. Len and PG for vet min.

Holmes is length and shot blocking. Kolek is a true PG…both old rookies and ready. Randle is also good if Sabonis gets injured and Sac needs offensive from the frontline.

Bigs: Sabonis/Holmes/Randle/Lyles/Len
Guards: Fox/Ellis/Huerter/Kolek/Jones/vet min
Wings: Murray/Marshall/Bridges/Edwards

Locks in cheap players. Randle expires when Murray is due.

For NY, draft Edey. Tibs guy. Long term center. Duarte is too. Barnes helps. Sasha is expiring and maybe hits enough shots to get minutes.

As for the deal. This is ridiculously light for Randle. Realistically a team would need to add something like the #17 or #18 to the #25 pick to jump up to the #13 in most drafts so basically you're valuing Randle at a jump of 6 or 7 picks. Sure you give up the higher pick but its not exactly one stacked with guys with star potential. As for Edey....mocks are all over the place on him but I can't recall many that have him getting selected at 13. It isn't out of the question we could grab him at 24. In fact, Holmes is someone I'd hope the Knicks target at 24 and with his expanded shooting range he's the big man prospect I'd prefer between himself and Edey.

And with Barne's inclusion it isn't as if we save a ton of money on the deal anyway. All in all....this is a no go for the Knicks. We're better off holding onto Randle and hoping for the best.

[SNPA]

I am proposing moving back and picking up Randle.

Randle/24/25 for Barnes/Sasha/Duarte/13

For Sac, Randle and Sabonis are a bad fit for 30+ minutes a night together. However, they are fine next to each other for 10-12 minutes. Introducing your Monk bench scorer replacement. Likely Randle starts to keep him happy but 4-5 minutes into the 1st and 3rd he comes out and staggers with Sabonis. Maybe they see a few minutes on offense together in crunch situations. Randle leads the second unit.

Kings draft Holmes and Kolek. Use the MLE on a wing like Marshall from Pels. Send Davion to the Spurs for 35 (Spurs aren’t using all those picks and he is a Pop guy). Draft Bridges. Len and PG for vet min.

Holmes is length and shot blocking. Kolek is a true PG…both old rookies and ready. Randle is also good if Sabonis gets injured and Sac needs offensive from the frontline.

Bigs: Sabonis/Holmes/Randle/Lyles/Len
Guards: Fox/Ellis/Huerter/Kolek/Jones/vet min
Wings: Murray/Marshall/Bridges/Edwards

Locks in cheap players. Randle expires when Murray is due.

For NY, draft Edey. Tibs guy. Long term center. Duarte is too. Barnes helps. Sasha is expiring and maybe hits enough shots to get minutes.

As for the deal. This is ridiculously light for Randle. Realistically a team would need to add something like the #17 or #18 to the #25 pick to jump up to the #13 in most drafts so basically you're valuing Randle at a jump of 6 or 7 picks. Sure you give up the higher pick but its not exactly one stacked with guys with star potential. As for Edey....mocks are all over the place on him but I can't recall many that have him getting selected at 13. It isn't out of the question we could grab him at 24. In fact, Holmes is someone I'd hope the Knicks target at 24 and with his expanded shooting range he's the big man prospect I'd prefer between himself and Edey.

And with Barne's inclusion it isn't as if we save a ton of money on the deal anyway. All in all....this is a no go for the Knicks. We're better off holding onto Randle and hoping for the best.

What makes up the difference?

The idea was IH is going to get more than NY can pay. He proved that his role is more important to winning than Randle’s and you can’t count on Robinson. So a lot of this is about who NY sees as their IH replacement and how will they acquire that player. Sitting at 24/25 and hoping one of the 2-3 centers that could possibly fill the role drops is a tough path. Maybe they have a trade in mind.

Sasha and Duarte are expirings. Could actually take one out too I believe.

[Texas Chuck]

wait so why is NYK dumping Randle?

I think the idea is that the team really clicked in a big way without Randle when OG joined the Nova trio. Defense was strong and Brunson turned into a real #1. Kind of it if its not broke don't fix it kind of thing. There is also the thought that its better to trade Randle now than find out he doesn't fit our new Brunson paradigm and have to sell him for scraps during the season.

Yeah I'd explore my options now too. But I think I'd want a real 2nd option back if I could get it. I don't love this deal without a follow up in place.

[Knickfan1982]

I am proposing moving back and picking up Randle.

Randle/24/25 for Barnes/Sasha/Duarte/13

For Sac, Randle and Sabonis are a bad fit for 30+ minutes a night together. However, they are fine next to each other for 10-12 minutes. Introducing your Monk bench scorer replacement. Likely Randle starts to keep him happy but 4-5 minutes into the 1st and 3rd he comes out and staggers with Sabonis. Maybe they see a few minutes on offense together in crunch situations. Randle leads the second unit.

Kings draft Holmes and Kolek. Use the MLE on a wing like Marshall from Pels. Send Davion to the Spurs for 35 (Spurs aren’t using all those picks and he is a Pop guy). Draft Bridges. Len and PG for vet min.

Holmes is length and shot blocking. Kolek is a true PG…both old rookies and ready. Randle is also good if Sabonis gets injured and Sac needs offensive from the frontline.

Bigs: Sabonis/Holmes/Randle/Lyles/Len
Guards: Fox/Ellis/Huerter/Kolek/Jones/vet min
Wings: Murray/Marshall/Bridges/Edwards

Locks in cheap players. Randle expires when Murray is due.

For NY, draft Edey. Tibs guy. Long term center. Duarte is too. Barnes helps. Sasha is expiring and maybe hits enough shots to get minutes.

As for the deal. This is ridiculously light for Randle. Realistically a team would need to add something like the #17 or #18 to the #25 pick to jump up to the #13 in most drafts so basically you're valuing Randle at a jump of 6 or 7 picks. Sure you give up the higher pick but its not exactly one stacked with guys with star potential. As for Edey....mocks are all over the place on him but I can't recall many that have him getting selected at 13. It isn't out of the question we could grab him at 24. In fact, Holmes is someone I'd hope the Knicks target at 24 and with his expanded shooting range he's the big man prospect I'd prefer between himself and Edey.

And with Barne's inclusion it isn't as if we save a ton of money on the deal anyway. All in all....this is a no go for the Knicks. We're better off holding onto Randle and hoping for the best.

What makes up the difference?

The idea was IH is going to get more than NY can pay. He proved that his role is more important to winning than Randle’s and you can’t count on Robinson. So a lot of this is about who NY sees as their IH replacement and how will they acquire that player. Sitting at 24/25 and hoping one of the 2-3 centers that could possibly fill the role drops is a tough path. Maybe they have a trade in mind.

Sasha and Duarte are expirings. Could actually take one out too I believe.

To be honest, if you're trying to massage the minutes so much to minimize the impact on Sabonis I am thinking you're not interested in paying the price you'd need to pay for Randle. For all the hate he gets on these boards he's been named to the All Star team in 3 out of the last 4 seasons.

[Texas Chuck]

I am thinking you're not interested in paying the price you'd need to pay for Randle. For all the hate he gets on these boards he's been named to the All Star team in 3 out of the last 4 seasons.

This is the other tricky part. As a regular season, productivity, floor raising standpoint, I think its pretty clear he's a good player. But for teams who are already good, its harder to sell him as a ceiling raiser especially with his playoff struggles the times he's been involved.

So you need to find a team that isn't good, but wants to be more competitive and who has something that either helps the Knicks or maybe replace some assets the Knicks spend on replacing his offense.

Not sure what team that is. Where he fits. I actually kinda like the Spurs for him, but I don't really have an idea for a deal. But I think he makes life a good bit easier on Wemby on offense.

[SNPA]

As for the deal. This is ridiculously light for Randle. Realistically a team would need to add something like the #17 or #18 to the #25 pick to jump up to the #13 in most drafts so basically you're valuing Randle at a jump of 6 or 7 picks. Sure you give up the higher pick but its not exactly one stacked with guys with star potential. As for Edey....mocks are all over the place on him but I can't recall many that have him getting selected at 13. It isn't out of the question we could grab him at 24. In fact, Holmes is someone I'd hope the Knicks target at 24 and with his expanded shooting range he's the big man prospect I'd prefer between himself and Edey.

And with Barne's inclusion it isn't as if we save a ton of money on the deal anyway. All in all....this is a no go for the Knicks. We're better off holding onto Randle and hoping for the best.

What makes up the difference?

The idea was IH is going to get more than NY can pay. He proved that his role is more important to winning than Randle’s and you can’t count on Robinson. So a lot of this is about who NY sees as their IH replacement and how will they acquire that player. Sitting at 24/25 and hoping one of the 2-3 centers that could possibly fill the role drops is a tough path. Maybe they have a trade in mind.

Sasha and Duarte are expirings. Could actually take one out too I believe.

To be honest, if you're trying to massage the minutes so much to minimize the impact on Sabonis I am thinking you're not interested in paying the price you'd need to pay for Randle. For all the hate he gets on these boards he's been named to the All Star team in 3 out of the last 4 seasons.

How do the Knicks get a starting long term Tibs center this summer? The plan can’t be hope one falls to the mid 20’s. I guess I misunderstood, I thought that was the priority and moving off Randle wasn’t as problematic anymore with the recent success of a defensive style.

I agree with the floor raiser part, he would be raising the Kings second unit floor just like Monk did.

[Godaddycurse]

How do the Knicks get a starting long term Tibs center this summer?

Bogey trade i would expect. Poeltl would fit Tibs great for example

[SNPA]

How do the Knicks get a starting long term Tibs center this summer?

Bogey trade i would expect. Poeltl would fit Tibs great for example

Using picks? A 35 yr old expiring Bogey for a starting caliber center on a team eyeing the finals seems a stretch.

[Godaddycurse]

How do the Knicks get a starting long term Tibs center this summer?

Bogey trade i would expect. Poeltl would fit Tibs great for example

Using picks? A 35 yr old expiring Bogey for a starting caliber center on a team eyeing the finals seems a stretch.

yea they have tons of non premium picks to use in a trade

[Devilanche]

I’m going against the grain here. I think value is fair all around but still a head scratching move for both side.

[SNPA]

I’m going against the grain here. I think value is fair all around but still a head scratching move for both side.

Kings need a bench scorer to replace Monk. (Randle)
Knicks need a Tibs defensive center. (13-Edey)

That’s the baseline. It meets two immediate needs. But I can see NY aiming lower upside, with less investment and for a veteran NBA guy.

[Knickfan1982]

What makes up the difference?

The idea was IH is going to get more than NY can pay. He proved that his role is more important to winning than Randle’s and you can’t count on Robinson. So a lot of this is about who NY sees as their IH replacement and how will they acquire that player. Sitting at 24/25 and hoping one of the 2-3 centers that could possibly fill the role drops is a tough path. Maybe they have a trade in mind.

Sasha and Duarte are expirings. Could actually take one out too I believe.

To be honest, if you're trying to massage the minutes so much to minimize the impact on Sabonis I am thinking you're not interested in paying the price you'd need to pay for Randle. For all the hate he gets on these boards he's been named to the All Star team in 3 out of the last 4 seasons.

How do the Knicks get a starting long term Tibs center this summer? The plan can’t be hope one falls to the mid 20’s. I guess I misunderstood, I thought that was the priority and moving off Randle wasn’t as problematic anymore with the recent success of a defensive style.

I agree with the floor raiser part, he would be raising the Kings second unit floor just like Monk did.

No one suggested that we find our starting center in the back 3rd of the 1st round. The fact of the matter is that other than Clingan I don't think there is a genuine starter at Center in the draft right now. Most of these center prospects are still a little raw or need to put on more muscle. Edey doesn't have that problem. His problem is that he might be too slow to be a player in this league let alone a starter. If the main idea of this trade Randle plan is to replace Hartenstein with someone in the draft then your plan was doomed from the start because we're not getting close enough to draft the only reasonable option for that in the draft.

As for Hartenstein himself... Plan A is convince Hartenstein to stay. Money is a big factor but it isn't the only factor. If he leaves then Plan B is to try and trade for someone like Clint Capela, Jarrett Allen or DeAndre Ayton. Plan C is Mitchell Robinson becomes the starter. We then try to add a solid big man in free agency (Andre Drummond, Mason Plumlee, Mo Bamba) and hope that Sims and anyone we draft can push for a bigger role so they can be ready when Robinson gets hurt.

[Knickfan1982]

I’m going against the grain here. I think value is fair all around but still a head scratching move for both side.

Nah. Packaging Randle with 2 firsts just to jump up 11 spots to grab someone who might be available at 24 anyway??? Value ain't close for the Knicks.

[Devilanche]

I’m going against the grain here. I think value is fair all around but still a head scratching move for both side.

Kings need a bench scorer to replace Monk. (Randle)
Knicks need a Tibs defensive center. (13-Edey)

That’s the baseline. It meets two immediate needs. But I can see NY aiming lower upside, with less investment and for a veteran NBA guy.

Kings - Your front court defence is horrendous.
Knicks - I don’t believe Edey is a defensive center.

[Devilanche]

I’m going against the grain here. I think value is fair all around but still a head scratching move for both side.

Nah. Packaging Randle with 2 firsts just to jump up 11 spots to grab someone who might be available at 24 anyway??? Value ain't close for the Knicks.

Purely on trade value.
Change who you want draft if you will but value seems about right .

But just that from Knicks side, I think you need replace your second options and I don’t really like most of the incoming pieces. Barnes a few years too late while the other 2 probably will be playing minimal minutes for you guys

[OGSactownballer]

I am thinking you're not interested in paying the price you'd need to pay for Randle. For all the hate he gets on these boards he's been named to the All Star team in 3 out of the last 4 seasons.

This is the other tricky part. As a regular season, productivity, floor raising standpoint, I think its pretty clear he's a good player. But for teams who are already good, its harder to sell him as a ceiling raiser especially with his playoff struggles the times he's been involved.

So you need to find a team that isn't good, but wants to be more competitive and who has something that either helps the Knicks or maybe replace some assets the Knicks spend on replacing his offense.

Not sure what team that is. Where he fits. I actually kinda like the Spurs for him, but I don't really have an idea for a deal. But I think he makes life a good bit easier on Wemby on offense.

I agree with this 100%!

Randle needs to be with a floor spacer center to be effective. As good as he is, his game is very traditional and putting him with a guy like Sabonis just is not going to work out well.

Wemby is ideal though.