Another Bruce Brown trade *Raptors fans beware*

[Colbinii]

Brooklyn Out: Cameron Johnson
Brooklyn In: Bruce Brown, #19

Toronto Out: Bruce Brown, #19
Toronto In: Cameron Johnson

Brooklyn really leans into the "2025 Free Agency" plan as they add a mid-1st and expiring [who could be flipped close to the deadline?] for Cameron Johnson.

Toronto is going to be an over-the-cap team in the near-future with Quickley/Barrett/Barnes/Poeltl/Olynyk all under salary in 2025-2026. They add a floor spacing wing who compliments Barnes and Barrett nicely.

[Mamba4Goat]

I feel like Johnson has more value than this but could definitely be wrong (I’m struggling to nail down how much Toronto should give up). Maybe add 31 and call it good?

[Texas Chuck]

I feel like Johnson has less value than this on that contract honestly. I'd have a straight swap about right on value, but not something Toronto should do. They already have a bunch of okayish players on big contracts.

[Colbinii]

I feel like Johnson has more value than this but could definitely be wrong (I’m struggling to nail down how much Toronto should give up). Maybe add 31 and call it good?

I feel like Johnson has less value than this on that contract honestly. I'd have a straight swap about right on value, but not something Toronto should do. They already have a bunch of okayish players on big contracts.

Too Hot.
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Just Right

[Godaddycurse]

I feel like Johnson has less value than this on that contract honestly. I'd have a straight swap about right on value, but not something Toronto should do. They already have a bunch of okayish players on big contracts.

this is where i am at as well. I wouldn't even give brown + 31 for him

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I feel like Johnson has less value than this on that contract honestly. I'd have a straight swap about right on value, but not something Toronto should do. They already have a bunch of okayish players on big contracts.

Cameron Johnson makes 16% of the cap next year and 13% the year after that.

I’m curious as to what people think a starting caliber wing should be getting paid. Maybe 10% of the cap?

[Godaddycurse]

I feel like Johnson has less value than this on that contract honestly. I'd have a straight swap about right on value, but not something Toronto should do. They already have a bunch of okayish players on big contracts.

Cameron Johnson makes 16% of the cap next year and 13% the year after that.

I’m curious as to what people think a starting caliber wing should be getting paid. Maybe 10% of the cap?

He also missed 64 games last 2 years combined.

[Texas Chuck]

I feel like Johnson has less value than this on that contract honestly. I'd have a straight swap about right on value, but not something Toronto should do. They already have a bunch of okayish players on big contracts.

Cameron Johnson makes 16% of the cap next year and 13% the year after that.

I’m curious as to what people think a starting caliber wing should be getting paid. Maybe 10% of the cap?

I don't base values on whether or not a player is currently a starter or not. I base them on the specific player. I think Cam is basically worth about his money, maybe a bit less. So I don't have teams attaching assets for him if they aren't giving up similar money attached to a worse player.

YMMV

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I feel like Johnson has less value than this on that contract honestly. I'd have a straight swap about right on value, but not something Toronto should do. They already have a bunch of okayish players on big contracts.

Cameron Johnson makes 16% of the cap next year and 13% the year after that.

I’m curious as to what people think a starting caliber wing should be getting paid. Maybe 10% of the cap?

I don't base values on whether or not a player is currently a starter or not. I base them on the specific player. I think Cam is basically worth about his money, maybe a bit less. So I don't have teams attaching assets for him if they aren't giving up similar money attached to a worse player.

YMMV

That’s fair. I don’t think this trade makes sense for Toronto’s direction.

Generally I think talk of Cameron Johnson’s contract is overblown. 2 way wings with size get paid in this league and his contract is descending.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I feel like Johnson has less value than this on that contract honestly. I'd have a straight swap about right on value, but not something Toronto should do. They already have a bunch of okayish players on big contracts.

Cameron Johnson makes 16% of the cap next year and 13% the year after that.

I’m curious as to what people think a starting caliber wing should be getting paid. Maybe 10% of the cap?

He also missed 64 games last 2 years combined.

40 of those missed games were from a torn meniscus in 2022.

Last year he missed 24 games, which happens to be league average.

Not a great argument IMO.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, I think this might be the right value, probably a bit too good for Brooklyn (like a couple seconds back) but Toronto shouldn’t be the team giving up a pick for Cam Johnson. Maybe if the season starts and Barnes/IQ can win games. Til then, it’s better to lean more towards a rebuild year IMO.

[Godaddycurse]

Cameron Johnson makes 16% of the cap next year and 13% the year after that.

I’m curious as to what people think a starting caliber wing should be getting paid. Maybe 10% of the cap?

He also missed 64 games last 2 years combined.

40 of those missed games were from a torn meniscus in 2022.

Last year he missed 24 games, which happens to be league average.

Not a great argument IMO.

i'm not sure how this counters my point that he misses alot of games and thus is not as valuable?

average all stars in 2022-2023 played ~65 games/yr, and they had that cut off for nba awards too. Johnson is well below that cut off hte last 2 years

[wemby]

He's a productive player and his salary isn't outrageous, if Nets wanted to move him for cheap, I'd put an offer for the Spurs

[TheBrooklynKidd]

He also missed 64 games last 2 years combined.

40 of those missed games were from a torn meniscus in 2022.

Last year he missed 24 games, which happens to be league average.

Not a great argument IMO.

i'm not sure how this counters my point that he misses alot of games and thus is not as valuable?

average all stars in 2022-2023 played ~65 games/yr, and they had that cut off for nba awards too. Johnson is well below that cut off hte last 2 years

24 missed games is the league average. He’s been at or below that in 4/5 seasons.

Your argument is based on a single outlier injury and therefore is a poor argument.

Almost every player eventually has a season or two (or three) where they have to get surgery and miss significant time.

[oldncreaky]

Yeah, I think this might be the right value, probably a bit too good for Brooklyn (like a couple seconds back) but Toronto shouldn’t be the team giving up a pick for Cam Johnson. Maybe if the season starts and Barnes/IQ can win games. Til then, it’s better to lean more towards a rebuild year IMO.

Agree: I don't really want TOR to lean into marginal upgrades like Cam Johnson until/unless we've got a core that shows it is worth building around.

Toronto's likely starters are Poeltl/Barnes/Dick/Barrett/Quickley with Brown/Olynyk leading the bench, and Dick playing the role that Cam Johnson would. If it doesn't work, pivot to tanking -- but in any case Johnson isn't really a fit

[Godaddycurse]

40 of those missed games were from a torn meniscus in 2022.

Last year he missed 24 games, which happens to be league average.

Not a great argument IMO.

i'm not sure how this counters my point that he misses alot of games and thus is not as valuable?

average all stars in 2022-2023 played ~65 games/yr, and they had that cut off for nba awards too. Johnson is well below that cut off hte last 2 years

24 missed games is the league average. He’s been at or below that in 4/5 seasons.

Your argument is based on a single outlier injury and therefore is a poor argument.

Almost every player eventually has a season or two (or three) where they have to get surgery and miss significant time.

pretty sure that average is for star players with much higher usage/workload and also load management factored in. Do you have a source of that as an average for non star players/the whole nba too?

[Texas Chuck]

is 24 missed games average due to injury? Or are we factoring in DNP-CD's? Because there are lots of end of roster guys who could drive that average down if its the latter.

Either way, if one is going to say he's worth his money over 82 games, if he's playing 2/3 of that....

[Duffman100]

I'd do Brown and the 31st. I think Brown 19th is a bit of an overpay.

I like adding Johnson next to Scottie.

[dakomish23]

I like this deal. Great value for TOR IMO. Dude can fill it up and will open up the floor.

Didn't Cam play some small ball 5 for PHX in the past or am I making it up? Could add some really potent lineups next to Barnes

[jbk1234]

The Nets already have a $40M expiring in Simmons. If they're moving Cam for Brown because they need to upgrade that backcourt, okay. If they're moving Cam to get off his contract, I guess my question would be toward what end? Are they going to be able to sign a better player than Cam with that money?

I think No. 19 v. 31 is debatable, but I'd want something here if I were the Nets.