Suns and Magic Swap Shooters

[jredsaz]

Suns receive Wendell Carter Jr, 2025 1st DEN
Magic receive Grayson Allen*

*Deal can’t be executed until October due to extension

Suns get a versatile big that fits coach Buds system and add some late first draft capital in the process. Save a few bucks against the tax as well.

Magic get the best three point shooter in the NBA from last season and a 41% shooter from deep for his career. Slots nicely with their young core.

[HornetJail]

the late 1st feels like it's going in the wrong direction, Allen's contract is not good

[Texas Chuck]

the late 1st feels like it's going in the wrong direction, Allen's contract is not good

Oh I have Allen worth more. His contract is plenty good. And he's a better player. I'd definitely give an asset and spend a little more money to upgrade my team. Especially as it opens up center to be upgraded which gets overlooked because of how well schemed their defense was this year.

Now maybe there should be slightly stiffer protections on the pick or maybe its worst of ORL/MIL, but I have the incentive going the correct way.

This is a really interesting trade. I don't love the idea of Carter/Nurk together which caps some of the impact for the Suns, but give them that pick to attach to Little to trade for a guy on the last year of his rookie deal and it becomes a 2 for 1 and a good chance for some balancing.

Love it for the Magic.

[Andre Roberstan]

Suns receive Wendell Carter Jr, 2025 1st DEN
Magic receive Grayson Allen*

*Deal can’t be executed until October due to extension

Suns get a versatile big that fits coach Buds system and add some late first draft capital in the process. Save a few bucks against the tax as well.

Magic get the best three point shooter in the NBA from last season and a 41% shooter from deep for his career. Slots nicely with their young core.

I ... kinda like this for both?

WCJ is a solid player, and if you could find a way to get rid of Nurk I think that makes the Suns a little more interesting. I do think Orlando needs a straw that stirs the drink still but this would intrigue me as a start for both teams.

[Godaddycurse]

I think Orlando is going to fill their shooting/guard needs way before october. either w/ FA or with WCJ in a trade. they are not waiting until season starts

[dremill24]

I think Orlando is going to fill their shooting/guard needs way before october. either w/ FA or with WCJ in a trade. they are not waiting until season starts

Yeah...as much as swapping these guys may make sense, this is the thing that has prevented me from thinking it'd be a thing.

[Texas Chuck]

I think Orlando is going to fill their shooting/guard needs way before october. either w/ FA or with WCJ in a trade. they are not waiting until season starts

eh no reason they can't agree to the deal early while waiting to finalize it. Sucks a bit to not be able to get each guy fully engaged with the team yet, but not that big a deal at all for veteran players like this.

[NotACat]

I think Orlando is going to fill their shooting/guard needs way before october. either w/ FA or with WCJ in a trade. they are not waiting until season starts

Yeah...as much as swapping these guys may make sense, this is the thing that has prevented me from thinking it'd be a thing.

The other part of this is that there plenty of shooting guards in the NBA, and very few centers who can space floor and are quality starters.

[Texas Chuck]

I think Orlando is going to fill their shooting/guard needs way before october. either w/ FA or with WCJ in a trade. they are not waiting until season starts

Yeah...as much as swapping these guys may make sense, this is the thing that has prevented me from thinking it'd be a thing.

The other part of this is that there plenty of shooting guards in the NBA, and very few centers who can space floor and are quality starters.

I don't know what this means. What if I said there are plenty of centers in the league but very few SG's who shoot as well as Allen who can hold up defensively? That would be just as true, but also one-sided.

Both of these are good players. Grayson Allen is not just a random SG lol.

[Texas Chuck]

like Allen is a lot better than Monk who Magic fans seem okay with signing and paying way more than Allen. I don't understand how one could be so in on Monk and out on Allen.

[dremill24]

like Allen is a lot better than Monk who Magic fans seem okay with signing and paying way more than Allen. I don't understand how one could be so in on Monk and out on Allen.

I would imagine the distinction of having to give up Carter for one vs not having to for the other plays a factor.

[Texas Chuck]

like Allen is a lot better than Monk who Magic fans seem okay with signing and paying way more than Allen. I don't understand how one could be so in on Monk and out on Allen.

I would imagine the distinction of having to give up Carter for one vs not having to for the other plays a factor.

Of course. But when the talk is that Carter is this talented center and Allen is generic SG.....

I think if I could turn Carter into Allen that cheaply I'd then use my cap space to get a center either by signing one or taking one back in trade. I'd have a better team than I would with Carter/Monk and all it costs me is a likely late 1st? Seems like an absolute no-brainer.

[Crives]

I hate it because it makes a lot of sense…. To attached to Allen after watching him make 7+ 3s in a row without a miss multiple times this season…. He was suns best offensive player many nights which is saying a lot when you play alongside KD/book/beal.

[NotACat]

Yeah...as much as swapping these guys may make sense, this is the thing that has prevented me from thinking it'd be a thing.

The other part of this is that there plenty of shooting guards in the NBA, and very few centers who can space floor and are quality starters.

I don't know what this means. What if I said there are plenty of centers in the league but very few SG's who shoot as well as Allen who can hold up defensively? That would be just as true, but also one-sided.

Both of these are good players. Grayson Allen is not just a random SG lol.

I just digged into his defensive stats and didn't realize he can hold his own so well D:

Nvm then, this trade makes more sense to me now, especially with Orlando's FO obsession with defense.

[Residual-Heat]

I would pass. I just dont like Allen (not that i dont think he's good). He's a big upgrade over Harris, but Id be looking for a more dynamic offensive player.

[Skybox]

like Allen is a lot better than Monk who Magic fans seem okay with signing and paying way more than Allen. I don't understand how one could be so in on Monk and out on Allen.

ORL needs an offensive facilitator who can shoot more than a spot up guy…they basically played without a PG last year. I like Allen and he’d be nice to have, but simply upgrading Gary Harris doesn’t solve their more significant issue. Paolo has publicly stated that he could use some help setting the table. Love to add shooting AFTER (or at the same time) as ORL finds their Lead Guard (doesn’t even have to truly be a PG, just a legit offensive initiator- which Suggs is most definitely not.

If I knew Claxton was ready to sign - sure…but all signs point to BRK overpaying him by midnight.

[Texas Chuck]

Orlando can still add both a creator and a center still after this. Nothing about adding Allen prevents that. I don't understand being against upgrades because they aren't this other specific thing that needs doing.

[giberish]

I'd have the pick as unnecessary with both players about even.

I don't love the fit for either team. For Orlando their top priority should be a perimeter creator (likely a point or combo guard). If they're dealing WCJ then they need a replacement center as well. Ideally they also add a wing shooter as a significant bench guy but that's lower priority. If they've got the guard and center options arranged then this makes sense but they probably will need these assets to get one or the other (or they need to keep WCJ at center).

For Phoenix having Nurk and WCJ as a tag-team center combo would be a significant upgrade there. However they'd still need a pg and another quality forward. As the only tradable player other teams would want I feel an Allen deal needs to fill one of those holes instead. Then hope a vet min center overachieves as Nurk's backup.

[Skybox]

Suggs and Allen have the same profile…ORL shouldn’t add redundant depth until they fix their problems…not a knock on Grayson at all…who comes off the bench?

Now you’ve got two big holes in your lineup to fill…Center and backcourt initiator…with two excellent 3&D guys

[Magic_Johnny12]

Phoenix isn’t in a position of power here. They’re asset deprived and have almost zero flexibility to get better. I don’t see many teams helping them unless they’re being paid to do so.

Orlando despite needing shooting can address the role Allen will play on this team (bench role/24MPG) without needing to trade their starting center.

I’m a fan of Grayson and will welcome him on this team, but this is more a Cole Anthony + a few seconds or their swap returned kinda trade.