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Who are the players that are either in the final year or 1-year plus non-guaranteed other years that teams will want to dump?

Warriors would probably pay seconds and/or cash to dump GP2's expiring $9M contract for cap

Think capela would be on this list

gswhoops wrote:Warriors would probably pay seconds and/or cash to dump GP2's expiring $9M contract for cap

I heard on somebody's pod this week there was a belief he would decline his option in exchange for a 3 year deal for more total gtd money but to knock his annual down. Were they just inventing this?

By the same note, they might try and dump Looney's gtd amount as well?

Texas Chuck wrote:

gswhoops wrote:Warriors would probably pay seconds and/or cash to dump GP2's expiring $9M contract for cap

I heard on somebody's pod this week there was a belief he would decline his option in exchange for a 3 year deal for more total gtd money but to knock his annual down. Were they just inventing this?

By the same note, they might try and dump Looney's gtd amount as well?

I hadn't heard anything like that re: GP2, but it makes sense in theory. If we offered him something like 3/15 that would knock his $ this year down by about $4M, which might be the difference between ducking the luxury tax and not.

Looney is only guaranteed for $3M of his $8.5M, so my guess is that they would just stretch waive him rather than pay to dump him into space, but I don't have a source for that. Just my two cents.

gswhoops wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

gswhoops wrote:Warriors would probably pay seconds and/or cash to dump GP2's expiring $9M contract for cap

I heard on somebody's pod this week there was a belief he would decline his option in exchange for a 3 year deal for more total gtd money but to knock his annual down. Were they just inventing this?

By the same note, they might try and dump Looney's gtd amount as well?

I hadn't heard anything like that re: GP2, but it makes sense in theory. If we offered him something like 3/15 that would knock his $ this year down by about $4M, which might be the difference between ducking the luxury tax and not.

Looney is only guaranteed for $3M of his $8.5M, so my guess is that they would just stretch waive him rather than pay to dump him into space, but I don't have a source for that. Just my two cents.

Doubt Payton would do that. He’d be adding two new years at a little less than $6m more in total salary. If he played out this season, and then solely played under the vet minimum alone each of the next two years, he’d make about $7.3m, and come out $1.3m ahead.

Or rather, if I was his agent, or the NBPA, I would tell him he shouldn’t do that.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

gswhoops wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:
I heard on somebody's pod this week there was a belief he would decline his option in exchange for a 3 year deal for more total gtd money but to knock his annual down. Were they just inventing this?

By the same note, they might try and dump Looney's gtd amount as well?

I hadn't heard anything like that re: GP2, but it makes sense in theory. If we offered him something like 3/15 that would knock his $ this year down by about $4M, which might be the difference between ducking the luxury tax and not.

Looney is only guaranteed for $3M of his $8.5M, so my guess is that they would just stretch waive him rather than pay to dump him into space, but I don't have a source for that. Just my two cents.

Doubt Payton would do that. He’d be adding two new years at a little less than $6m more in total salary. If he played out this season, and then solely played under the vet minimum alone each of the next two years, he’d make about $7.3m, and come out $1.3m ahead.

Or rather, if I was his agent, or the NBPA, I would tell him he shouldn’t do that.

Is he a lock to get two more NBA seasons though? I think that's possibly part of the calculations for him.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

gswhoops wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:
I heard on somebody's pod this week there was a belief he would decline his option in exchange for a 3 year deal for more total gtd money but to knock his annual down. Were they just inventing this?

By the same note, they might try and dump Looney's gtd amount as well?

I hadn't heard anything like that re: GP2, but it makes sense in theory. If we offered him something like 3/15 that would knock his $ this year down by about $4M, which might be the difference between ducking the luxury tax and not.

Looney is only guaranteed for $3M of his $8.5M, so my guess is that they would just stretch waive him rather than pay to dump him into space, but I don't have a source for that. Just my two cents.

Doubt Payton would do that. He’d be adding two new years at a little less than $6m more in total salary. If he played out this season, and then solely played under the vet minimum alone each of the next two years, he’d make about $7.3m, and come out $1.3m ahead.

Or rather, if I was his agent, or the NBPA, I would tell him he shouldn’t do that.

Yeah, I mean I think the only way it really makes sense unfortunately is if his body is so broken that he doesn't think he can stick in the NBA after his current deal...in which case it's probably not smart for us to offer him 2 more guaranteed years.

I think D-Lo opts in with the latest rumor of Magic not wanting to offer him more. Probably looking at MLE money vs opt in extension route at this point

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:I think D-Lo opts in with the latest rumor of Magic not wanting to offer him more. Probably looking at MLE money vs opt in extension route at this point

I think he opts out and dares LA not to pay him. Lakers can't replace him and he knows that. Even if there are no other bidders LA would at minimum give him the max raise off his current deal with another PO year. And LA should prefer that to adding 3 years to his current deal.

Texas Chuck wrote:

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:I think D-Lo opts in with the latest rumor of Magic not wanting to offer him more. Probably looking at MLE money vs opt in extension route at this point

I think he opts out and dares LA not to pay him. Lakers can't replace him and he knows that. Even if there are no other bidders LA would at minimum give him the max raise off his current deal with another PO year. And LA should prefer that to adding 3 years to his current deal.

Reasonable approach. I think LAL pays him if he wants MLE like money. Part of me , thinks D-Lo is still searching for an opportunity like what he got with the Nets vs being a role player behind LeBron/ AD

K_chile22 wrote:Think capela would be on this list

ORL has the cap space to absorb Capela in the midst of a bigger trade for. Dejounte...I've suggested sending Wendell Carter ($12m) back as a solid temporary upgrade at C with the ability to transition to PF as Sarr develops. He's only 25 himself and can add greater versatility than Capela by spreading the floor and switching better on the perimeter. Carter is solid in all areas, but not at the same level of rim protection...ORL could take Capela back and even start him for a year, while they make their long-term C plans.

Again, only in conjunction with a Murray trade, based largely on prospects and picks (and cap) coming back...or a 3-way

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:I think D-Lo opts in with the latest rumor of Magic not wanting to offer him more. Probably looking at MLE money vs opt in extension route at this point

I think he opts out and dares LA not to pay him. Lakers can't replace him and he knows that. Even if there are no other bidders LA would at minimum give him the max raise off his current deal with another PO year. And LA should prefer that to adding 3 years to his current deal.

Reasonable approach. I think LAL pays him if he wants MLE like money. Part of me , thinks D-Lo is still searching for an opportunity like what he got with the Nets vs being a role player behind LeBron/ AD

I don't think there's any chance DLo gets just MLE money. I'm not a fan, but his value's definitely higher than that.

Thimothy Duane Hardaway Junior, any takers?

gswhoops wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

gswhoops wrote:I hadn't heard anything like that re: GP2, but it makes sense in theory. If we offered him something like 3/15 that would knock his $ this year down by about $4M, which might be the difference between ducking the luxury tax and not.

Looney is only guaranteed for $3M of his $8.5M, so my guess is that they would just stretch waive him rather than pay to dump him into space, but I don't have a source for that. Just my two cents.

Doubt Payton would do that. He’d be adding two new years at a little less than $6m more in total salary. If he played out this season, and then solely played under the vet minimum alone each of the next two years, he’d make about $7.3m, and come out $1.3m ahead.

Or rather, if I was his agent, or the NBPA, I would tell him he shouldn’t do that.

Yeah, I mean I think the only way it really makes sense unfortunately is if his body is so broken that he doesn't think he can stick in the NBA after his current deal...in which case it's probably not smart for us to offer him 2 more guaranteed years.

Yup. If Payton is willing to do that, GS should take it as a sign and not do it themselves.

Payton has to have some belief in himself that he can at least snag a vet minimum for a couple years... Right?

Scoot McGroot wrote:

gswhoops wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Doubt Payton would do that. He’d be adding two new years at a little less than $6m more in total salary. If he played out this season, and then solely played under the vet minimum alone each of the next two years, he’d make about $7.3m, and come out $1.3m ahead.

Or rather, if I was his agent, or the NBPA, I would tell him he shouldn’t do that.

Yeah, I mean I think the only way it really makes sense unfortunately is if his body is so broken that he doesn't think he can stick in the NBA after his current deal...in which case it's probably not smart for us to offer him 2 more guaranteed years.

Yup. If Payton is willing to do that, GS should take it as a sign and not do it themselves.

Payton has to have some belief in himself that he can at least snag a vet minimum for a couple years... Right?

He's played 66 games in 2 years, so it seems like a real possibility that he's just not able to hack it anymore.

Maybe GS splits the difference and offers him $16.4M over 3 years (or whatever the math for his current year plus two minimum years comes out to). At least that way he's guaranteed to break even?

gswhoops wrote:Warriors would probably pay seconds and/or cash to dump GP2's expiring $9M contract for cap

The Wizards can fit Payton in an existing trade exception. We don't even want any future 2nds. The only thing we'd want is to lower the protections on the 2030 GSW 1st to top 14 protected instead of the top 20 protected. Interested in that?

gswhoops wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

gswhoops wrote:Yeah, I mean I think the only way it really makes sense unfortunately is if his body is so broken that he doesn't think he can stick in the NBA after his current deal...in which case it's probably not smart for us to offer him 2 more guaranteed years.

Yup. If Payton is willing to do that, GS should take it as a sign and not do it themselves.

Payton has to have some belief in himself that he can at least snag a vet minimum for a couple years... Right?

He's played 66 games in 2 years, so it seems like a real possibility that he's just not able to hack it anymore.

Maybe GS splits the difference and offers him $16.4M over 3 years (or whatever the math for his current year plus two minimum years comes out to). At least that way he's guaranteed to break even?

Is Gs willing to do that knowing they're likely to have to salary dump him next year or the year after? Wouldn’t they just prefer to dump him now?

mhd wrote:

gswhoops wrote:Warriors would probably pay seconds and/or cash to dump GP2's expiring $9M contract for cap

The Wizards can fit Payton in an existing trade exception. We don't even want any future 2nds. The only thing we'd want is to lower the protections on the 2030 GSW 1st to top 14 protected instead of the top 20 protected. Interested in that?

Yeah I'd be fine with this.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

gswhoops wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Yup. If Payton is willing to do that, GS should take it as a sign and not do it themselves.

Payton has to have some belief in himself that he can at least snag a vet minimum for a couple years... Right?

He's played 66 games in 2 years, so it seems like a real possibility that he's just not able to hack it anymore.

Maybe GS splits the difference and offers him $16.4M over 3 years (or whatever the math for his current year plus two minimum years comes out to). At least that way he's guaranteed to break even?

Is Gs willing to do that knowing they're likely to have to salary dump him next year or the year after? Wouldn’t they just prefer to dump him now?

Unclear. TC said someone floated it as a possibility, and it seems like something that the FO might do if they're only a couple million over the tax/apron line.

But it would be smarter to just pay some minor assets to dump him completely rather than kick the can down the road for another 2 years.