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So the main idea is this:

Anthony/#18/25 DEN 1st(top 5) for Sexton.

With a possible follow up of #18/#29 for #15/26 LAL 2nd with Miami

Orlando gets a shot creator, but only uses a few million of cap space to do so once you factor in the pick.

Utah gets 2 firsts for Sexton by taking back Anthony and then tries to consolidate. Anthony is a bench scorer especially if they trade Sexton.

If Utah is successful its because Miami really believes in their ability to find young talent and this gives them two first round contracts.

I get the sense that the plan next year is to start Sexton and see if he can have a breakout year a la Lauri. As a starter in 51 games he averaged 21/3/6 on 49/42/85 shooting and the more I reflect on his season the more I want to keep him. That said, I think this is an entirely reasonable offer for the kind of production he gives.

I know its the Nuggets' pick, but you never know what happens.. Make it lotto/top 10 protected and I like it for the Magic.

This seems reasonable, but like Jax said, I think they start him next year to see what they really have.

i feel like Orlando may want to see how FA plays out before doing a trade like this. Ie if they land a big fish like George

Texas Chuck wrote:Anthony/#18/25 DEN 1st(top 5) for Sexton.

The value looks solid, though I would prefer the Jazz keep Sexton over this.

Texas Chuck wrote:So the main idea is this:

Anthony/#18/25 DEN 1st(top 5) for Sexton.

With a possible follow up of #18/#29 for #15/26 LAL 2nd with Miami

Orlando gets a shot creator, but only uses a few million of cap space to do so once you factor in the pick.

Utah gets 2 firsts for Sexton by taking back Anthony and then tries to consolidate. Anthony is a bench scorer especially if they trade Sexton.

If Utah is successful its because Miami really believes in their ability to find young talent and this gives them two first round contracts.

Sexton's defense is pretty bad. He has improved his jump shot and is more efficient. But he also plays better at SG than PG and that forces Suggs at PG, not his best position. yes, its a little semantics as the can switch who they defend, just not sure if this is the right move for Orlando. Sexton just doesnt seem like a player worth two 1st round picks.

tiderulz wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:So the main idea is this:

Anthony/#18/25 DEN 1st(top 5) for Sexton.

With a possible follow up of #18/#29 for #15/26 LAL 2nd with Miami

Orlando gets a shot creator, but only uses a few million of cap space to do so once you factor in the pick.

Utah gets 2 firsts for Sexton by taking back Anthony and then tries to consolidate. Anthony is a bench scorer especially if they trade Sexton.

If Utah is successful its because Miami really believes in their ability to find young talent and this gives them two first round contracts.

Sexton's defense is pretty bad. He has improved his jump shot and is more efficient. But he also plays better at SG than PG and that forces Suggs at PG, not his best position. yes, its a little semantics as the can switch who they defend, just not sure if this is the right move for Orlando. Sexton just doesnt seem like a player worth two 1st round picks.

Sexton's passing and game management improved dramatically this year. The offense, by far, was at its best when he started at point guard. He won't get mistaken for John Stockton (or Mike Conley, for that matter), but his strongest position now is point guard. Defense? No question, its not good, and it is his size that is the major limiting factor. The second limiting factor is his aggressiveness and willingness to gamble, but he is improving in that respect.

babyjax13 wrote:

tiderulz wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:So the main idea is this:

Anthony/#18/25 DEN 1st(top 5) for Sexton.

With a possible follow up of #18/#29 for #15/26 LAL 2nd with Miami

Orlando gets a shot creator, but only uses a few million of cap space to do so once you factor in the pick.

Utah gets 2 firsts for Sexton by taking back Anthony and then tries to consolidate. Anthony is a bench scorer especially if they trade Sexton.

If Utah is successful its because Miami really believes in their ability to find young talent and this gives them two first round contracts.

Sexton's defense is pretty bad. He has improved his jump shot and is more efficient. But he also plays better at SG than PG and that forces Suggs at PG, not his best position. yes, its a little semantics as the can switch who they defend, just not sure if this is the right move for Orlando. Sexton just doesnt seem like a player worth two 1st round picks.

Sexton's passing and game management improved dramatically this year. The offense, by far, was at its best when he started at point guard. He won't get mistaken for John Stockton (or Mike Conley, for that matter), but his strongest position now is point guard. Defense? No question, its not good, and it is his size that is the major limiting factor. The second limiting factor is his aggressiveness and willingness to gamble, but he is improving in that respect.

it is strange to be talked into liking him, shoot he is a Bama guy and i watched him lay it all out in his year at Bama. I could be talked into it, though with Utah already having another 1st this year, would rather give a future 1st so that we can fill out the bench with this year's pick.

tiderulz wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:

tiderulz wrote:Sexton's defense is pretty bad. He has improved his jump shot and is more efficient. But he also plays better at SG than PG and that forces Suggs at PG, not his best position. yes, its a little semantics as the can switch who they defend, just not sure if this is the right move for Orlando. Sexton just doesnt seem like a player worth two 1st round picks.

Sexton's passing and game management improved dramatically this year. The offense, by far, was at its best when he started at point guard. He won't get mistaken for John Stockton (or Mike Conley, for that matter), but his strongest position now is point guard. Defense? No question, its not good, and it is his size that is the major limiting factor. The second limiting factor is his aggressiveness and willingness to gamble, but he is improving in that respect.

it is strange to be talked into liking him, shoot he is a Bama guy and i watched him lay it all out in his year at Bama. I could be talked into it, though with Utah already having another 1st this year, would rather give a future 1st so that we can fill out the bench with this year's pick.

I think we'd probably prefer a future pick (also, I went to Bama while he was here ... well, literally forever b/c I graduated last year). I think Sexton could be nice on Orlando, though they have the assets to aim higher. e.g., DeJounte Murray feels like a fun fit?

babyjax13 wrote:

tiderulz wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:Sexton's passing and game management improved dramatically this year. The offense, by far, was at its best when he started at point guard. He won't get mistaken for John Stockton (or Mike Conley, for that matter), but his strongest position now is point guard. Defense? No question, its not good, and it is his size that is the major limiting factor. The second limiting factor is his aggressiveness and willingness to gamble, but he is improving in that respect.

it is strange to be talked into liking him, shoot he is a Bama guy and i watched him lay it all out in his year at Bama. I could be talked into it, though with Utah already having another 1st this year, would rather give a future 1st so that we can fill out the bench with this year's pick.

I think we'd probably prefer a future pick (also, I went to Bama while he was here ... well, literally forever b/c I graduated last year). I think Sexton could be nice on Orlando, though they have the assets to aim higher. e.g., DeJounte Murray feels like a fun fit?

Murray would be a great fit, though not as great a 3 pt shooter and a little higher paid, but I live in Atlanta and around town, the vibe is more trade Trae and keep Murray. Who knows what Atlanta's price will be

Nice idea

I'm really curious about who's at 18, so I'm reluctant to attach 2 frps to Cole...just for Sexton...I'd say #18 stays in ORL

or, ORL includes #47, but gets 29 & 32 back.

I dont think Sexton is worth 2 FRP.
Is Anthony a garbage for Orlando to attached 2 FRP?

Hoops23 wrote:I dont think Sexton is worth 2 FRP.
Is Anthony a garbage for Orlando to attached 2 FRP?

He wasnt very good this year. Mainly because of his 3pt% regression, but he was not bad enough to cost a 1st to dump i dont think. If he can shoot the 3 like he did last year, he's a positive asset IMO.

There was talk about him dealing with some personal stuff this year but IDK. He was still a decent bench scorer at times and always a good locker room presence.

Ive been proposing a deal of Sexton to Orl on our subforum for a while.

I think it takes more than Cole and Den25 to get it to happen for Utah, but this years #18 on top is rich for me.

Cole, #18, 2025 2nd rounder + 2026 2nd rounder. Something like that. Cole had a down year but is a good 6th man on a solid deal.

jezzerinho wrote:Ive been proposing a deal of Sexton to Orl on our subforum for a while.

I think it takes more than Cole and Den25 to get it to happen for Utah, but this years #18 on top is rich for me.

Cole, #18, 2025 2nd rounder + 2026 2nd rounder. Something like that. Cole had a down year but is a good 6th man on a solid deal.

Agree…Sexton’s not THAT much beyond Cole’s value…they’ve got a lot in common but Sexton’s put it together recently. Like Monk, he’s a bit of a risk to move out of the environment /role that he did so well in and assume he’ll grow & expand further.

ORL sends: Cole, ORL 25 (top 8), DEN 25 frp
UTA sends: Sexton, #29

UTA had 3 rookies last season & #10 this year. Two future frps (in a supposed strong class) gives them more chips to play as they start thinking about the next phase. I figure, value-wise, DEN 25 frp is AT LEAST equivalent value to #29 in an alleged weak draft. So, Cole + a legit frp, with a range of outcomes (do you think Sexton makes ORL contenders? ) for Sexton seems fair, to me…UTA also saves $5 then $6m in salary.

babyjax13 wrote:I get the sense that the plan next year is to start Sexton and see if he can have a breakout year a la Lauri. As a starter in 51 games he averaged 21/3/6 on 49/42/85 shooting and the more I reflect on his season the more I want to keep him. That said, I think this is an entirely reasonable offer for the kind of production he gives.

didn't he already breakout in 2020 when he averaged 24.3/3/4 on 48/37/82?

Mr Loggins wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:I get the sense that the plan next year is to start Sexton and see if he can have a breakout year a la Lauri. As a starter in 51 games he averaged 21/3/6 on 49/42/85 shooting and the more I reflect on his season the more I want to keep him. That said, I think this is an entirely reasonable offer for the kind of production he gives.

didn't he already breakout in 2020 when he averaged 24.3/3/4 on 48/37/82?

but Cleveland went 22-50. its the age old question, was he a really good player or just putting up stats on a bad team

Mr Loggins wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:I get the sense that the plan next year is to start Sexton and see if he can have a breakout year a la Lauri. As a starter in 51 games he averaged 21/3/6 on 49/42/85 shooting and the more I reflect on his season the more I want to keep him. That said, I think this is an entirely reasonable offer for the kind of production he gives.

didn't he already breakout in 2020 when he averaged 24.3/3/4 on 48/37/82?

As someone playing "me" ball, yes, but his playmaking and came management have come a long way. If he can be that level of scorer while also managing the game like he did last year that would be a substantially more valuable player.