Hawks/Spurs/Rockets Draft pick Shuffle

[GoBobs]

Spurs out: #4, #8
Spurs in: # 1 (Risacher), Clint Capela

Why for spurs: French connection plus add a solid defeneder on a short term deal in Capela

Rockets out: #3, Steven Adams, Jalen Green
Rockets in: Dejounte Murray, #8

Why for rockets: add a vet who can help them win now at the cost of Green and moving down 5 spots

Hawks out: #1, Dejounte Murray, Clint Capela
Hawks in: Steven Adams, Jalen Green, #3 ( Clingan), #4

Why for Hawks: they move on from Murray and Capela and trade down coming away with 2 top 5 picks. They are still able to land thier top target in Clingan to replace Capela. With the 4 they can take who ever else they like (Matas?, Reed?). Green replaces Murray and they also save 20 million in cap.

[Kiss of Death]

No from Houston.
Including Jalen Green just to move down makes no sense.

[louc1970]

It’s a no from Atlanta. Murray is worth more than #4 and Green.

[Kiss of Death]

Just take Houston out and make it Spurs/Hawks. No reason for Houston to be there.

[Xman]

Take out green and 8 to Rox. 8 to Atl instead.

[GoBobs]

The reason I included the Rockets is due to some smoke about Atl wanting Clingan and some Smoke about the Rockets moving #3 for an established player. I think Atl has to get 3 to be sure they can move down and still get Clingan.

I don't know how the Rockets feel about Green. I can certainly appreciate that some of their fans wouldn't want to trade him. I think he could be substituted for some other guys here like Jabari Smith Jr, or Amen Thompson or a combo of Eason or Whitmore and Jeff Green.

It is going to be hard for the Rockets to keep all those guys anyway. They are about to have to pay Jalen Green and Sengun, then the next year Eason and Smith Jr, then the next year Amen Thompson and Whitmore. All young guys with any talent think they are worth the Max. At some point they will have to make some decisions. This deal doesn't totally solve the problem, but at least Murry has an established value that is greater than his contract and could be moved down the road if you wanted to.

[Chinook]

4 and 8 for 1 doesn't have legs. Definitely aren't saddling the Spurs with Capela for the privilege

[supertruck97]

The reason I included the Rockets is due to some smoke about Atl wanting Clingan and some Smoke about the Rockets moving #3 for an established player. I think Atl has to get 3 to be sure they can move down and still get Clingan.

I don't know how the Rockets feel about Green. I can certainly appreciate that some of their fans wouldn't want to trade him. I think he could be substituted for some other guys here like Jabari Smith Jr, or Amen Thompson or a combo of Eason or Whitmore and Jeff Green.

It is going to be hard for the Rockets to keep all those guys anyway. They are about to have to pay Jalen Green and Sengun, then the next year Eason and Smith Jr, then the next year Amen Thompson and Whitmore. All young guys with any talent think they are worth the Max. At some point they will have to make some decisions. This deal doesn't totally solve the problem, but at least Murry has an established value that is greater than his contract and could be moved down the road if you wanted to.

The Rockets wouldn't include any of those guys along with #3 for Murray. #3 would be the prize along with Salary filler.

Specifically to your trade, the variance from Green to Murray is smaller than the #3 pick; especially given that Murray is in his prime and Green is still a couple years away from his.

And "you have so many good young players who might have to get paid in 3 years down the road so you might as well trade them off" is a terrible way to justify any trade. OKC seemed to do just fine with accumulating young talent and assets without giving away 6 Max contracts. Chances are only one or 2 of these guys will end up in Max range (My best guess would be Sengun and maybe Smith Jr). The others will turn into the normal contracts like Murray has, or what Malik Monk just got.

[Texas Chuck]

There is nothing here that doesn't make at least some sense. I'm least crazy about this for Atlanta, but only because Green doesn't feel like a great fit with Trae and not sure how much value Atlanta could get out of him at the deadline heading into free agency. Would like to see Houston come up with some different value to replace him.

[dms269]

I agree with Chuck about the fit of Green on the Hawks. I don't see him as a great pairing with Trae due to his deficiencies.

[GoBobs]

The reason I included the Rockets is due to some smoke about Atl wanting Clingan and some Smoke about the Rockets moving #3 for an established player. I think Atl has to get 3 to be sure they can move down and still get Clingan.

I don't know how the Rockets feel about Green. I can certainly appreciate that some of their fans wouldn't want to trade him. I think he could be substituted for some other guys here like Jabari Smith Jr, or Amen Thompson or a combo of Eason or Whitmore and Jeff Green.

It is going to be hard for the Rockets to keep all those guys anyway. They are about to have to pay Jalen Green and Sengun, then the next year Eason and Smith Jr, then the next year Amen Thompson and Whitmore. All young guys with any talent think they are worth the Max. At some point they will have to make some decisions. This deal doesn't totally solve the problem, but at least Murry has an established value that is greater than his contract and could be moved down the road if you wanted to.

The Rockets wouldn't include any of those guys along with #3 for Murray. #3 would be the prize along with Salary filler.

Specifically to your trade, the variance from Green to Murray is smaller than the #3 pick; especially given that Murray is in his prime and Green is still a couple years away from his.

And "you have so many good young players who might have to get paid in 3 years down the road so you might as well trade them off" is a terrible way to justify any trade. OKC seemed to do just fine with accumulating young talent and assets without giving away 6 Max contracts. Chances are only one or 2 of these guys will end up in Max range (My best guess would be Sengun and maybe Smith Jr). The others will turn into the normal contracts like Murray has, or what Malik Monk just got.

If the Rockets didn't want to give up any of thier prospects they could counter with something like:

Atl out: #1, Murray, Capela
Atl in: #3, #4, #8, Jeff Green, Steve Adams

Hou out: #3, Jeff Green, Steve Adams
Hou in: Murray

Spurs out: #4, #8
Spurs in: #1, Capela

I still think this is to much salary for Hou down the line, but if they are willing to pay the bill they could keep everyone

[Kiss of Death]

The reason I included the Rockets is due to some smoke about Atl wanting Clingan and some Smoke about the Rockets moving #3 for an established player. I think Atl has to get 3 to be sure they can move down and still get Clingan.

I don't know how the Rockets feel about Green. I can certainly appreciate that some of their fans wouldn't want to trade him. I think he could be substituted for some other guys here like Jabari Smith Jr, or Amen Thompson or a combo of Eason or Whitmore and Jeff Green.

It is going to be hard for the Rockets to keep all those guys anyway. They are about to have to pay Jalen Green and Sengun, then the next year Eason and Smith Jr, then the next year Amen Thompson and Whitmore. All young guys with any talent think they are worth the Max. At some point they will have to make some decisions. This deal doesn't totally solve the problem, but at least Murry has an established value that is greater than his contract and could be moved down the road if you wanted to.

The Rockets wouldn't include any of those guys along with #3 for Murray. #3 would be the prize along with Salary filler.

Specifically to your trade, the variance from Green to Murray is smaller than the #3 pick; especially given that Murray is in his prime and Green is still a couple years away from his.

And "you have so many good young players who might have to get paid in 3 years down the road so you might as well trade them off" is a terrible way to justify any trade. OKC seemed to do just fine with accumulating young talent and assets without giving away 6 Max contracts. Chances are only one or 2 of these guys will end up in Max range (My best guess would be Sengun and maybe Smith Jr). The others will turn into the normal contracts like Murray has, or what Malik Monk just got.

If the Rockets didn't want to give up any of thier prospects they could counter with something like:

Atl out: #1, Murray, Capela
Atl in: #3, #4, #8, Jeff Green, Steve Adams

Hou out: #3, Jeff Green, Steve Adams
Hou in: Murray

Spurs out: #4, #8
Spurs in: #1, Capela

I still think this is to much salary for Hou down the line, but if they are willing to pay the bill they could keep everyone

I think the Rockets would rather just take Clingan (or Risacher) with the #3 pick and then trade him to the highest bidder.

I also don’t believe that the Spurs would be happy about trading 4 & 8 for 1 while also taking on Capela.

[Bornstellar]

I wouldn't trade 4 and 8 in this draft for 1, especially considering one of Castle, Sheppard, or Risacher will likely be there at 4. And Spurs would have no interest in Capela imo

[Kiss of Death]

What would SA give to HOU to move from 4 to 3?

Then SA and ATL can make their Clingan/Risacher swap (assuming WAS takes Sarr, which is likely).
HOU gets Sheppard plus whatever they get from SA.
Everybody’s happy.

1. ATL - Risacher (to SA)
2. WAS - Sarr
3. SA - Clingan (to ATL)
4. HOU - Sheppard

[One_and_Done]

Spurs are never doing this. There's little difference between picking 1 and 4, and they'd don't need Capela, so they're basically giving away the #8 pick for nothing.

[wemby]

What would SA give to HOU to move from 4 to 3?

Then SA and ATL can make their Clingan/Risacher swap (assuming WAS takes Sarr, which is likely).
HOU gets Sheppard plus whatever they get from SA.
Everybody’s happy.

1. ATL - Risacher (to SA)
2. WAS - Sarr
3. SA - Clingan (to ATL)
4. HOU - Sheppard

Depends on how the board shapes up. Probably one of Risacher, Sheppard or Castle will be there at 4, so Spurs may not have any interest in moving up at all. And if they do, it'd have to be similar to what the Wizards and Pacers did last year swapping 7 & 8, which is roughly the same caliber of players we're talking this year at 3 & 4. If Rockets want to make a difference, they should target another team, not the Spurs.

[wemby]

I wouldn't trade 4 and 8 in this draft for 1, especially considering one of Castle, Sheppard, or Risacher will likely be there at 4. And Spurs would have no interest in Capela imo

This is the obvious answer, no one would offer 8 to move up from 4 to 1, when it isn't clear who is better between players 1-4... Hawks supposedly prefer Risacher or Clingan, Wizards Sarr, Rockets Sheppard and Spurs Castle or Risacher. Maybe it shapes up so that everybody gets what they want.

[Xman]

Supposedly por, cha, and mem are trying to get to three. Detroit should be. Out of that group, cha might be happy with 4. Two team deal.

Cha gets 3.
Hou gets 6 and 2027 dal or Mia first.
Hou gets

[Kiss of Death]

What would SA give to HOU to move from 4 to 3?

Then SA and ATL can make their Clingan/Risacher swap (assuming WAS takes Sarr, which is likely).
HOU gets Sheppard plus whatever they get from SA.
Everybody’s happy.

1. ATL - Risacher (to SA)
2. WAS - Sarr
3. SA - Clingan (to ATL)
4. HOU - Sheppard

Depends on how the board shapes up. Probably one of Risacher, Sheppard or Castle will be there at 4, so Spurs may not have any interest in moving up at all. And if they do, it'd have to be similar to what the Wizards and Pacers did last year swapping 7 & 8, which is roughly the same caliber of players we're talking this year at 3 & 4. If Rockets want to make a difference, they should target another team, not the Spurs.

The Rockets aren’t targeting anyone. They got dragged into the Spurs/Hawks deal to provide value. Since they certainly didn’t get anything of value in the original post.

[GoBobs]

What would SA give to HOU to move from 4 to 3?

Then SA and ATL can make their Clingan/Risacher swap (assuming WAS takes Sarr, which is likely).
HOU gets Sheppard plus whatever they get from SA.
Everybody’s happy.

1. ATL - Risacher (to SA)
2. WAS - Sarr
3. SA - Clingan (to ATL)
4. HOU - Sheppard

Depends on how the board shapes up. Probably one of Risacher, Sheppard or Castle will be there at 4, so Spurs may not have any interest in moving up at all. And if they do, it'd have to be similar to what the Wizards and Pacers did last year swapping 7 & 8, which is roughly the same caliber of players we're talking this year at 3 & 4. If Rockets want to make a difference, they should target another team, not the Spurs.

The Rockets aren’t targeting anyone. They got dragged into the Spurs/Hawks deal to provide value. Since they certainly didn’t get anything of value in the original post.

They got Dejounte Murray in the op who is the best player in this deal. If you don't like the trade, fine, it isn't real bro. You don't have to be such a dramatic crybaby about it.