Spurs Add Vet PG w/Blazers & Suns

[jredsaz]

Spurs receive Malcom Brogdon, #14, #22
Blazers receive Donte Graham, Nasir Little, #8
Suns receive Toumani Camara, Duop Reath, #34, ‘25 NOP 2nd

Spurs split the difference by adding three rookies and vet PG on an expiring. Brogdon can improve the team next year and they can kick the can down the road to the summer of ‘25 with a better FA class.

Blazers want to get another top 10 pick and they land #8. They give up a vet they were hoping to move anyway and get back an expiring and cheap 23 year old Little who is showing improvement. Shed some money to help stay out of the tax.

Suns break up #22 into multiple pieces, which is what they are reportedly looking to do. Duop (28) and Camara (24) are older players who might be able to eat some minutes for the Suns at positions of need.

[Myth]

Blazers don’t include Camara in this deal. His defense as a rookie was one of the few bright spots for Portland last year.

[JRoy]

Not interested in a reunion tour featuring Little.

[jredsaz]

Blazers don’t include Camara in this deal. His defense as a rookie was one of the few bright spots for Portland last year.

I get that but what if this allows you to jump up to 8 and get a younger prospect with a much higher ceiling. #8 will have 3-4 forward prospects that are a way better fit for Portland.

[jredsaz]

Not interested in a reunion tour featuring Little.

Then send him somewhere else. How’s the value getting up to #8?

[Myth]

Blazers don’t include Camara in this deal. His defense as a rookie was one of the few bright spots for Portland last year.

I get that but what if this allows you to jump up to 8 and get a younger prospect with a much higher ceiling. #8 will have 3-4 forward prospects that are a way better fit for Portland.

Nah, I don’t do it. Camara brings much needed defense that we’d be seeking in this draft if we gave him up. I’d do 14 and Brogdon and 34 for 8, I’d consider but hesitate to do 14 and Camara for 8, but I’m not willing to do 14, Camara, Brogdon, 34, and take back Little who I don’t view as a rotation worthy player who is seemingly made of glass locked in for 3 years at over $7M per to get to 8 in this particular draft at these particular spots. I think Suns are stealing value here and should be cut out and the trade simplified. If Spurs aren’t onboard, so be it.

[Blame Rasho]

I am reasonably sure that the spurs don’t want three rookies in a bad draft, potentially 4 with their other 2nd pick. I hope they can get rid of their 2nds and the 8th pick for a 25 1st pick. Anyways, I am interested how many phones calls will be made from right now to the draft.

[tester551]

Spurs receive Malcom Brogdon, #14, #22
Blazers receive Donte Graham, Nasir Little, #8
Suns receive Toumani Camara, Duop Reath, #34, ‘25 NOP 2nd

Spurs split the difference by adding three rookies and vet PG on an expiring. Brogdon can improve the team next year and they can kick the can down the road to the summer of ‘25 with a better FA class.

Blazers want to get another top 10 pick and they land #8. They give up a vet they were hoping to move anyway and get back an expiring and cheap 23 year old Little who is showing improvement. Shed some money to help stay out of the tax.

Suns break up #22 into multiple pieces, which is what they are reportedly looking to do. Duop (28) and Camara (24) are older players who might be able to eat some minutes for the Suns at positions of need.

I think the Suns would just be cut out:

Brogdon + 14 + 40
for
Graham + 8

I think the same framework could work for the 4/7 picks instead of the 8/14 picks

[jredsaz]

I am reasonably sure that the spurs don’t want three rookies in a bad draft, potentially 4 with their other 2nd pick. I hope they can get rid of their 2nds and the 8th pick for a 25 1st pick. Anyways, I am interested how many phones calls will be made from right now to the draft.

Why? Swing the bat. They can afford to take some more risk.

[jredsaz]

Spurs receive Malcom Brogdon, #14, #22
Blazers receive Donte Graham, Nasir Little, #8
Suns receive Toumani Camara, Duop Reath, #34, ‘25 NOP 2nd

Spurs split the difference by adding three rookies and vet PG on an expiring. Brogdon can improve the team next year and they can kick the can down the road to the summer of ‘25 with a better FA class.

Blazers want to get another top 10 pick and they land #8. They give up a vet they were hoping to move anyway and get back an expiring and cheap 23 year old Little who is showing improvement. Shed some money to help stay out of the tax.

Suns break up #22 into multiple pieces, which is what they are reportedly looking to do. Duop (28) and Camara (24) are older players who might be able to eat some minutes for the Suns at positions of need.

I think the Suns would just be cut out:

Brogdon + 14 + 40
for
Graham + 8

I think the same framework could work for the 4/7 picks instead of the 8/14 picks

Figure the Spurs would rather have #22

[jredsaz]

Blazers don’t include Camara in this deal. His defense as a rookie was one of the few bright spots for Portland last year.

I get that but what if this allows you to jump up to 8 and get a younger prospect with a much higher ceiling. #8 will have 3-4 forward prospects that are a way better fit for Portland.

Nah, I don’t do it. Camara brings much needed defense that we’d be seeking in this draft if we gave him up. I’d do 14 and Brogdon and 34 for 8, I’d consider but hesitate to do 14 and Camara for 8, but I’m not willing to do 14, Camara, Brogdon, 34, and take back Little who I don’t view as a rotation worthy player who is seemingly made of glass locked in for 3 years at over $7M per to get to 8 in this particular draft at these particular spots. I think Suns are stealing value here and should be cut out and the trade simplified. If Spurs aren’t onboard, so be it.

Yeah, I don’t think the value is that far off. If the Blazers love Williams (for example) and he slips to 8 that’s a reasonable offer. Suns add value with #22. Plus Littles contract isn’t anything more than a contract to help facilitate trades. It’s not negative value. It’s 5% of the cap and he is still only 23.

[Myth]

I get that but what if this allows you to jump up to 8 and get a younger prospect with a much higher ceiling. #8 will have 3-4 forward prospects that are a way better fit for Portland.

Nah, I don’t do it. Camara brings much needed defense that we’d be seeking in this draft if we gave him up. I’d do 14 and Brogdon and 34 for 8, I’d consider but hesitate to do 14 and Camara for 8, but I’m not willing to do 14, Camara, Brogdon, 34, and take back Little who I don’t view as a rotation worthy player who is seemingly made of glass locked in for 3 years at over $7M per to get to 8 in this particular draft at these particular spots. I think Suns are stealing value here and should be cut out and the trade simplified. If Spurs aren’t onboard, so be it.

Yeah, I don’t think the value is that far off. If the Blazers love Williams (for example) and he slips to 8 that’s a reasonable offer. Suns add value with #22. Plus Littles contract isn’t anything more than a contract to help facilitate trades. It’s not negative value. It’s 5% of the cap and he is still only 23.

I’m still not sold. I wouldn’t do Camara straight up for the 22nd just in terms of value. And fully disagree on Little not being negative.

[Norm2953]

I would suppose this could happen if there was someone at 8 they really wanted

Let's say they drafted Clingan at 7 and wanted to add someone like Salaun at 8 who
they viewed as a player with a higher ceiling than Camara

[Myth]

They give up a vet they were hoping to move anyway and get back an expiring and cheap 23 year old Little who is showing improvement.

Maybe the value is off partially because of how much is off with this statement. Little is firmly 24. From what I’m seeing, he is not expiring, rather locked into 3 more years totaling nearly $22M. When he signed the contract, Blazers fans were mixed on it already, with some being forgiving of the idea that maybe he’d improve to make it worth it. But he has shown very little improvement in 5 years in the NBA (4 of which Blazers fans have frustratingly witnessed, the 5th just statistically I see nothing to convince me he turned things around). He has never once in those 5 years had a healthy season. He was forced into a rotation years ago for development purposes, but actually had minutes reduced going from 3rd year to 4th year for the Blazers, which is a really bad sign that the team lost faith in him. Going to Phoenix he had an even smaller role, getting career lows of 10mpg, 3.4ppg, 1.7rpg, 0.5apg and per 36 numbers that don’t show improvement in any of those or scoring efficiency. So you have me genuinely curious what improvements he has made, and how that isn’t a negative contract.

[tacos]

Camara is our starting forward his rookie season he is definitely not a throw-in

Brogdon is a Savvy veteran who is yes available but we see him having value

Duop Reath plaed good basketball for us on his rookie year we see him as having value

34 we see as having value

Little we see as having years of negative value

Once you add these all up and compare to the value difference Delta between pick number 14 and pick number 8 in this poop draft it adds up to an ugly bad idea to do for the Blazers

So no we are not interested

There will be much better options out there for Portland to allocate there resources

[jredsaz]

I would suppose this could happen if there was someone at 8 they really wanted

Let's say they drafted Clingan at 7 and wanted to add someone like Salaun at 8 who
they viewed as a player with a higher ceiling than Camara

There are plenty of players available at 8 with a higher ceiling than 24 year old Camara. His ceiling is a good role player. This draft is full of guys who’s floor is a good role player at 8.

[jredsaz]

They give up a vet they were hoping to move anyway and get back an expiring and cheap 23 year old Little who is showing improvement.

Maybe the value is off partially because of how much is off with this statement. Little is firmly 24. From what I’m seeing, he is not expiring, rather locked into 3 more years totaling nearly $22M. When he signed the contract, Blazers fans were mixed on it already, with some being forgiving of the idea that maybe he’d improve to make it worth it. But he has shown very little improvement in 5 years in the NBA (4 of which Blazers fans have frustratingly witnessed, the 5th just statistically I see nothing to convince me he turned things around). He has never once in those 5 years had a healthy season. He was forced into a rotation years ago for development purposes, but actually had minutes reduced going from 3rd year to 4th year for the Blazers, which is a really bad sign that the team lost faith in him. Going to Phoenix he had an even smaller role, getting career lows of 10mpg, 3.4ppg, 1.7rpg, 0.5apg and per 36 numbers that don’t show improvement in any of those or scoring efficiency. So you have me genuinely curious what improvements he has made, and how that isn’t a negative contract.

Graham is the expiring I referred to. Little is 24, my bad. The Blazers should have zero concern with Littles contract. They aren’t spending any space on important FAs anytime soon. Camara is a good role player. Thats not at all what the Blazers should be prioritizing at this point. The blazers would much rather have someone at 8 than any and all of the assets they are giving up because someone at 8 may actually turn into a franchise guy, something they don’t have right now.

[jredsaz]

Camara is our starting forward his rookie season he is definitely not a throw-in

Brogdon is a Savvy veteran who is yes available but we see him having value

Duop Reath plaed good basketball for us on his rookie year we see him as having value

34 we see as having value

Little we see as having years of negative value

Once you add these all up and compare to the value difference Delta between pick number 14 and pick number 8 in this poop draft it adds up to an ugly bad idea to do for the Blazers

So no we are not interested

There will be much better options out there for Portland to allocate there resources

I think they would value 8 over all of those assets. Weird take. The delta is whatever. If the Blazers love a wing at 8 they should absolutely go get him. Blazers need a franchise guy, not Toumani Camara and Duop Reath.

[JRoy]

They give up a vet they were hoping to move anyway and get back an expiring and cheap 23 year old Little who is showing improvement.

Maybe the value is off partially because of how much is off with this statement. Little is firmly 24. From what I’m seeing, he is not expiring, rather locked into 3 more years totaling nearly $22M. When he signed the contract, Blazers fans were mixed on it already, with some being forgiving of the idea that maybe he’d improve to make it worth it. But he has shown very little improvement in 5 years in the NBA (4 of which Blazers fans have frustratingly witnessed, the 5th just statistically I see nothing to convince me he turned things around). He has never once in those 5 years had a healthy season. He was forced into a rotation years ago for development purposes, but actually had minutes reduced going from 3rd year to 4th year for the Blazers, which is a really bad sign that the team lost faith in him. Going to Phoenix he had an even smaller role, getting career lows of 10mpg, 3.4ppg, 1.7rpg, 0.5apg and per 36 numbers that don’t show improvement in any of those or scoring efficiency. So you have me genuinely curious what improvements he has made, and how that isn’t a negative contract.

Graham is the expiring I referred to. Little is 24, my bad. The Blazers should have zero concern with Littles contract. They aren’t spending any space on important FAs anytime soon. Camara is a good role player. Thats not at all what the Blazers should be prioritizing at this point. The blazers would much rather have someone at 8 than any and all of the assets they are giving up because someone at 8 may actually turn into a franchise guy, something they don’t have right now.

Disagree about Little, any money spent on him is wasted.

[Roy The Natural]

I mean... this all depends. It's probably too complex for draft day today. But if there's really someone the Blazers love at 8 who won't be there at 14, and he's quite a bit better than what they think will be there at 14.... then this could be plausible.

I just don't think there's enough separation between 8 and 14 in this draft for this to be of value to Portland.

Feels generally like the Suns are getting a lot of value here, while not providing much of their own. Feels like the Suns portion needs to be straightened out with more value added to be included in this deal.