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Based on todays freshest rumor.

Houston seemingly deciding between a shooting PG (Reed) and a rim protecting big (Clingan), decide to compromise and get both.

Williams has been injured and its unclear how long he needs to rehab. Houston has Steven Adams for another year to use in the rotation, while Mark heals. Houston can then select a separate PG who can shoot (McCain or Dillingham). Small chance Reed falls to six, as well, making it a terrific asset management move by Stone.

Charlotte gets a great fit with in Clingan who should work well with Miller/Melo.

LarsV8 wrote:Based on todays freshest rumor.

Houston seemingly deciding between a shooting PG (Reed) and a rim protecting big (Clingan), decide to compromise and get both.

Williams has been injured and its unclear how long he needs to rehab. Houston has Steven Adams for another year to use in the rotation, while Mark heals. Houston can then select a separate PG who can shoot (McCain or Dillingham). Small chance Reed falls to six, as well, making it a terrific asset management move by Stone.

Charlotte gets a great fit with in Clingan who should work well with Miller/Melo.

Pass... and it isn't close. No interest in trading Williams at all. Way to much to move up 3 spots.

I think that’s a little lite to get #3. Houston will get better offers.

Well.... two polar opposite opinions on value....lol.

The only reason this makes sense from CLT's perspective is if we don't believe he can stay healthy. If that's true, I don't believe HOU would be buying M. Williams stock.

I would much rather have Mark + a wing at 6 compared to Clingan.

theBigLip wrote:I think that’s a little lite to get #3. Houston will get better offers.

Yup. Big who's played 36 games a year with back issues is not something I value

Seems pretty bad for Houston. Not sure if Williams is healthy he gets you from 6 to 3.

GoBobs wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:Based on todays freshest rumor.

Houston seemingly deciding between a shooting PG (Reed) and a rim protecting big (Clingan), decide to compromise and get both.

Williams has been injured and its unclear how long he needs to rehab. Houston has Steven Adams for another year to use in the rotation, while Mark heals. Houston can then select a separate PG who can shoot (McCain or Dillingham). Small chance Reed falls to six, as well, making it a terrific asset management move by Stone.

Charlotte gets a great fit with in Clingan who should work well with Miller/Melo.

Pass... and it isn't close. No interest in trading Williams at all. Way to much to move up 3 spots.

It is close when we acknowledge Williams has injury history, a limited ceiling and is entering his 3rd season.

No way Houston would consider this. #6 + 2025 CHA 1st [Top 5 Protected] makes some sense from a "historical value" perspective.

Colbinii wrote:

GoBobs wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:Based on todays freshest rumor.

Houston seemingly deciding between a shooting PG (Reed) and a rim protecting big (Clingan), decide to compromise and get both.

Williams has been injured and its unclear how long he needs to rehab. Houston has Steven Adams for another year to use in the rotation, while Mark heals. Houston can then select a separate PG who can shoot (McCain or Dillingham). Small chance Reed falls to six, as well, making it a terrific asset management move by Stone.

Charlotte gets a great fit with in Clingan who should work well with Miller/Melo.

Pass... and it isn't close. No interest in trading Williams at all. Way to much to move up 3 spots.

It is close when we acknowledge Williams has injury history, a limited ceiling and is entering his 3rd season.

No way Houston would consider this. #6 + 2025 CHA 1st [Top 5 Protected] makes some sense from a "historical value" perspective.

I think we would do 6 plus one of the 2027 firsts (either dallas or Miami). We owe a 2025 first to the spurs already (lotto protected or becomes 2 2nds)

We can just disagree on the value of Mark. We like him. I am not convinced of the seriousness of the injury despite the amout of time missed. Lots of guys on our team have missed more time than they should with injuries. Feels like the front office sent the message last year to not rush back unless you are 100%. Little reason to hurry back onto the court when you are eliminated from contention by the all star break.

Texas Chuck wrote:Seems pretty bad for Houston. Not sure if Williams is healthy he gets you from 6 to 3.

Does Lively get a team from 6 to 3? Healthy Mark Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lively

GoBobs wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

GoBobs wrote:
Pass... and it isn't close. No interest in trading Williams at all. Way to much to move up 3 spots.

It is close when we acknowledge Williams has injury history, a limited ceiling and is entering his 3rd season.

No way Houston would consider this. #6 + 2025 CHA 1st [Top 5 Protected] makes some sense from a "historical value" perspective.

I think we would do 6 plus one of the 2027 firsts (either dallas or Miami). We owe a 2025 first to the spurs already (lotto protected or becomes 2 2nds)

We can just disagree on the value of Mark. We like him. I am not convinced of the seriousness of the injury despite the amout of time missed. Lots of guys on our team have missed more time than they should with injuries. Feels like the front office sent the message last year to not rush back unless you are 100%. Little reason to hurry back onto the court when you are eliminated from contention by the all star break.

Even if you want to wave away a back injury to a big man, Williams isn't a great prospect. He has a limited ceiling. He is a Center and Center's are the least valuable position in the NBA given the difference between the 20th and 40th best Center is small.

I am glad Charlotte value's their young center--all teams do. But other teams don't value other teams young centers like Williams or Kessler, and it's okay to acknowledge both sides of the coin.

GoBobs wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Seems pretty bad for Houston. Not sure if Williams is healthy he gets you from 6 to 3.

Does Lively get a team from 6 to 3? Healthy Mark Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lively

Well Dallas doesn't have 6 and the Hornets don't have Lively so no way of knowing. And that's a lot of > considering how well Lively just played in a deep playoff run. But hey love your guy.

No idea why you are bringing up Lively. There are zero posts from me hyping up his trade value on this board. So weird to just randomly insert him. He has zero relevance.

GoBobs wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Seems pretty bad for Houston. Not sure if Williams is healthy he gets you from 6 to 3.

Does Lively get a team from 6 to 3? Healthy Mark Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lively

I don't think we have seen anything from Mark Williams to conclude this.

Colbinii wrote:

GoBobs wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Seems pretty bad for Houston. Not sure if Williams is healthy he gets you from 6 to 3.

Does Lively get a team from 6 to 3? Healthy Mark Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lively

I don't think we have seen anything from Mark Williams to conclude this.

Okay - how about this then...

Williams >> Clingan

Texas Chuck wrote:

GoBobs wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Seems pretty bad for Houston. Not sure if Williams is healthy he gets you from 6 to 3.

Does Lively get a team from 6 to 3? Healthy Mark Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lively

Well Dallas doesn't have 6 and the Hornets don't have Lively so no way of knowing. And that's a lot of > considering how well Lively just played in a deep playoff run. But hey love your guy.

No idea why you are bringing up Lively. There are zero posts from me hyping up his trade value on this board. So weird to just randomly insert him. He has zero relevance.

It’s going to be a few long days for you Good luck!

If Charlotte is willing to do this, it means Williams' back is probably cooked and Houston should pass.

Big asymmetrical info/lemon problem issue with trading a guy like Mark.

Colbinii wrote:

GoBobs wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Seems pretty bad for Houston. Not sure if Williams is healthy he gets you from 6 to 3.

Does Lively get a team from 6 to 3? Healthy Mark Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lively

I don't think we have seen anything from Mark Williams to conclude this.

Mark had better stats as a rookie across the board. Most categories were close but Mark was a bit better. The big difference is Mark shoots 70% from the ft line and Lively shoots 50% from the ft line.

I mean we can debate the players I guess, but I don't think one should be basing their value on FT%....

But it really doesn't matter because Dallas isn't offering up Lively plus however many assets are needed to close >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Williams.

So let's get back to the actual idea in the OP.

Texas Chuck wrote:

GoBobs wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Seems pretty bad for Houston. Not sure if Williams is healthy he gets you from 6 to 3.

Does Lively get a team from 6 to 3? Healthy Mark Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lively

Well Dallas doesn't have 6 and the Hornets don't have Lively so no way of knowing. And that's a lot of > considering how well Lively just played in a deep playoff run. But hey love your guy.

No idea why you are bringing up Lively. There are zero posts from me hyping up his trade value on this board. So weird to just randomly insert him. He has zero relevance.

So if you had 6 would you include Lively to move to 3 or no?

GoBobs wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

GoBobs wrote:
Does Lively get a team from 6 to 3? Healthy Mark Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lively

Well Dallas doesn't have 6 and the Hornets don't have Lively so no way of knowing. And that's a lot of > considering how well Lively just played in a deep playoff run. But hey love your guy.

No idea why you are bringing up Lively. There are zero posts from me hyping up his trade value on this board. So weird to just randomly insert him. He has zero relevance.

So if you had 6 would you include Lively to move to 3 or no?

No, I would trade 6 for veteran help. Dallas was just in the Finals.

None of this has anything to do with Lively. You just seem mad I don't think Williams is super valuable and are trying to bait me into making some sort of homer stance on Lively. Pointless and bizarre.

I've got it. You think Williams is super valuable. cool. I do not think he has the value you do. The end. Lively still not relevant.