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With NYK making the deal for Bridges, what would need to be added to switch John Collins (Utah) for Randle (NYK)?

Randle is the better player, based averages. But Collins has better percentages everywhere and is a better defender.

So would Randle for Collins, 29, 32 be a good swap? Collins is younger, can play the small ball 5, better shooter, cost $4m less.

So New York picks at #24, #25, #29 and #32?

Make it make sense why New York wants to downgrade significantly in terms of talent, commits long-term salary to a mediocre starter and picks 4 times from #24-#32?

Deal is DOA.

There's not much point to Utah making any trade like this.

For this to be interesting for the Knicks the following would need to happen:
1) This would be an expanded trade with Brooklyn making the Knicks hard capped at the 2nd apron instead of the first apron
2) Walker Kessler feels like he needs to be added here
3) UTA needs to send a pick to BK that allows NY to keep our 2031 pick.

In short - I would swap Randle for Collins for my 2031 1st back and Walker Kessler

CallMeKahn wrote:There's not much point to Utah making any trade like this.

If they want to be more competitive is a "point". Right point? No.

Colbinii wrote:

CallMeKahn wrote:There's not much point to Utah making any trade like this.

If they want to be more competitive is a "point". Right point? No.

No. Utah is not giving up picks to move off of Collins for a more expensive, older dude who doesn't move the needle at a position that isn't a point of concern for Utah.

Randle is significantly better, even with his warts, than Collins. Why would the Knicks, after adding more talent, want to do this? They're settled on a Brunson Randle duo at least till next year

CallMeKahn wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

CallMeKahn wrote:There's not much point to Utah making any trade like this.

If they want to be more competitive is a "point". Right point? No.

No. Utah is not giving up picks to move off of Collins for a more expensive, older dude who doesn't move the needle at a position that isn't a point of concern for Utah.

Randle is far better than Collins. Stop with this hateraid nonsense.

Randle would be helpful as a secondary playmaker, another offensive focal point to take pressure off of Lauri and George plus improved rebounding.

Knickfan1982 wrote:

CallMeKahn wrote:

Colbinii wrote:
If they want to be more competitive is a "point". Right point? No.

No. Utah is not giving up picks to move off of Collins for a more expensive, older dude who doesn't move the needle at a position that isn't a point of concern for Utah.

Randle is far better than Collins. Stop with this hateraid nonsense.

Randle would be helpful as a secondary playmaker, another offensive focal point to take pressure off of Lauri and George plus improved rebounding.

I never said Randle wasn't better than Collins. I said he doesn't move the needle for Utah where he plays at a position we're already good at and have players that need minutes. So am I giving up a first, good second to move that contract when I'd rather give the minutes elsewhere to develop what we have now and incoming? Nope.

CallMeKahn wrote:

Knickfan1982 wrote:

CallMeKahn wrote:
No. Utah is not giving up picks to move off of Collins for a more expensive, older dude who doesn't move the needle at a position that isn't a point of concern for Utah.

Randle is far better than Collins. Stop with this hateraid nonsense.

Randle would be helpful as a secondary playmaker, another offensive focal point to take pressure off of Lauri and George plus improved rebounding.

I never said Randle wasn't better than Collins. I said he doesn't move the needle for Utah where he plays at a position we're already good at and have players that need minutes. So am I giving up a first, good second to move that contract when I'd rather give the minutes elsewhere to develop what we have now and incoming? Nope.

Firstly, Randle wouldn't impact that much as most of his minutes will be replacing those used by Collins. Lauri is big enough to play Center. Hendricks is primarily a power forward but he seems to have the ability to bounce between different spots with his athleticism so theoretically he should be able to get minutes if his production justifies it.

I would also argue that Randle is far more likely to turn down his player option than Collins is so this should help the Jazz free up some money. And Randle would certainly move the needle. We've made the playoffs in almost 3 out of the last 4 seasons with Randle. I also think having someone who commands as much defensive attention as Randle does will make things easier for the young players in Utah.

Knickfan1982 wrote:Firstly, Randle wouldn't impact that much as most of his minutes will be replacing those used by Collins. Lauri is big enough to play Center. Hendricks is primarily a power forward but he seems to have the ability to bounce between different spots with his athleticism so theoretically he should be able to get minutes if his production justifies it.

Lauri plays primarily the 3 with spot minutes at the 4 and 5. I'd rather develop Hendricks than try and be midling in a tough WC that isn't getting easier.

I would also argue that Randle is far more likely to turn down his player option than Collins is so this should help the Jazz free up some money. And Randle would certainly move the needle. We've made the playoffs in almost 3 out of the last 4 seasons with Randle.

That's not a selling point you want to make when trying to convince a team to trade a first round draft pick given that Utah isn't exactly a FA destination.

1. Utah shouldn't add assets for Randle
2. New York shouldn't dilute Randle into Collins

R-DAWG wrote:For this to be interesting for the Knicks the following would need to happen:
1) This would be an expanded trade with Brooklyn making the Knicks hard capped at the 2nd apron instead of the first apron
2) Walker Kessler feels like he needs to be added here
3) UTA needs to send a pick to BK that allows NY to keep our 2031 pick.

In short - I would swap Randle for Collins for my 2031 1st back and Walker Kessler

Randle makes no sense for UTA - and moving Collins, Kessler and a 2031 FRP for Randle is absurdity for UTA.

CallMeKahn wrote:
Lauri plays primarily the 3 with spot minutes at the 4 and 5. I'd rather develop Hendricks than try and be midling in a tough WC that isn't getting easier.

So you're saying that not only does Hendricks have the ability to play multiple positions but Lauri does as well. Which of course theoretically makes managing minutes easier.

That's not a selling point you want to make when trying to convince a team to trade a first round draft pick given that Utah isn't exactly a FA destination.

Except the first rounder in the deal is #29. Its a first rounder sure. But its not like you're being asked to give up the #10. If anything the Knicks would and should turn this down because its not good enough of a first.

More than Utah would ever offer

So, imo it shouldnt be collins. Does NY still have enough picks for a randle lauri swap? Would help with their spacing

Apz wrote:So, imo it shouldnt be collins. Does NY still have enough picks for a randle lauri swap? Would help with their spacing

Spacing is way less of a concern to us than non-Brunson creation.