Nets Asset Sale

[drchaos]

Nets are rebuilding and have some players that no longer fit into their plans.

For now I think the following players are not available:

Cam Thomas
Noah Clowney
Dariq Whitehead
Nic Claxton
Trendon Watford (RFA)
Jalen Wilson

That leaves the following players available to the highest bidder:

Ben Simmons
Cam Johnson
DFS
Dennis Schroeder
Day'Ron Sharpe (Nets may want to keep him but if Clowney and Claxton are part of the plan he could be the odd man out)

Nets are looking for draft picks, swaps, and young players.

They might not be against taking on salary dumps of players expiring in two years and don't necessarily need an expiring contract coming back.

Please post your team's best offers here.

[Texas Chuck]

I think once they trade Mikal Bridges, none of those other players should be considered off limits. Again, just my opinion, but none of those players feel remotely untouchable to me nor would I understand why any of them would be. Obviously Claxton can't be traded right now because he just inked a new deal, but those other guys....

[jbk1234]

I'm really surprised DFS is still on the roster after the first day of the draft. Maybe he goes for a guy who slipped in the second round 31-35, but this is the second draft in a row where the Nets were looking for a pick for him and couldn't get what they wanted.

As far as the rest of the list, if there's truth to the rumors that the Kings made No. 13 available for Cam, I hope the Nets didn't turn that down because I don't see that offer getting topped. Sharpe can probably return some 2nds. Simmons is only tradeable for LaVine (and LaVine may only be tradeable for Simmons).

[gswhoops]

Would love the Warriors to make a play for Cam Johnson and/or DFS (and maybe Sharpe too if I'm getting greedy), but we likely aren't going to make any moves of any real significance until the Paul George situation is sorted one way or another.

[Netaman]

I'm really surprised DFS is still on the roster after the first day of the draft. Maybe he goes for a guy who slipped in the second round 31-35, but this is the second draft in a row where the Nets were looking for a pick for him and couldn't get what they wanted.

As far as the rest of the list, if there's truth to the rumors that the Kings made No. 13 available for Cam, I hope the Nets didn't turn that down because I don't see that offer getting topped. Sharpe can probably return some 2nds. Simmons is only tradeable for LaVine (and LaVine may only be tradeable for Simmons).

I think that speaks as much or more to the weakness of this draft than DFS because there were a lot of picks for sale, so even if DFS didnt have value the Nets could have gotten themselves into the first round if they wanted to. Heck they could have dealt directly with HOU for Bridges and taken the 3rd overall pick, plus the 2 they got back for just 3 FRPs total, and kept the PHO picks.

ironically enough, they seemed to choose the NYK 31, 28 swap, 25 MIL over getting the 3rd pick from Houston, which is pretty close to the price SAS got for selling #8.

[Colbinii]

Nic Claxton being unavailable twice.

Cam Johnson -- Disappointing rookie-scale player and 2nd(s) with expiring or 2-year salary
DFS -- Similar to Cam Johnson as he is an expiring
Ben Simmons -- Buyout candidate
Schroeder -- Buyout candidate
Sharpe -- 3-4 Seconds [See Rui Hachimura trade]

[jbk1234]

I'm really surprised DFS is still on the roster after the first day of the draft. Maybe he goes for a guy who slipped in the second round 31-35, but this is the second draft in a row where the Nets were looking for a pick for him and couldn't get what they wanted.

As far as the rest of the list, if there's truth to the rumors that the Kings made No. 13 available for Cam, I hope the Nets didn't turn that down because I don't see that offer getting topped. Sharpe can probably return some 2nds. Simmons is only tradeable for LaVine (and LaVine may only be tradeable for Simmons).

I think that speaks as much or more to the weakness of this draft than DFS because there were a lot of picks for sale, so even if DFS didnt have value the Nets could have gotten themselves into the first round if they wanted to. Heck they could have dealt directly with HOU for Bridges and taken the 3rd overall pick, plus the 2 they got back for just 3 FRPs total, and kept the PHO picks.

ironically enough, they seemed to choose the NYK 31, 28 swap, 25 MIL over getting the 3rd pick from Houston, which is pretty close to the price SAS got for selling #8.

Not sure about the bolded. Is there any reporting on that?

[Netaman]

Would love the Warriors to make a play for Cam Johnson and/or DFS, but we likely aren't going to make any moves of any real significance until the Paul George situation is sorted one way or another.

I think this is where the Nets are in a holding pattern. I think they know there are contenders who will trade back of roster young guys for DFS once they miss on bigger targets, and they probably prefer a bunch of those back of roster young guys to what was available in this draft. Moody + a protected 26/27/28 pick seems reasonable.

[Netaman]

I'm really surprised DFS is still on the roster after the first day of the draft. Maybe he goes for a guy who slipped in the second round 31-35, but this is the second draft in a row where the Nets were looking for a pick for him and couldn't get what they wanted.

As far as the rest of the list, if there's truth to the rumors that the Kings made No. 13 available for Cam, I hope the Nets didn't turn that down because I don't see that offer getting topped. Sharpe can probably return some 2nds. Simmons is only tradeable for LaVine (and LaVine may only be tradeable for Simmons).

I think that speaks as much or more to the weakness of this draft than DFS because there were a lot of picks for sale, so even if DFS didnt have value the Nets could have gotten themselves into the first round if they wanted to. Heck they could have dealt directly with HOU for Bridges and taken the 3rd overall pick, plus the 2 they got back for just 3 FRPs total, and kept the PHO picks.

ironically enough, they seemed to choose the NYK 31, 28 swap, 25 MIL over getting the 3rd pick from Houston, which is pretty close to the price SAS got for selling #8.

Not sure about the bolded. Is there any reporting on that?

Shams reported the deadline offer even bigger than that since it included Green, I haven't seen any confirmation re the HOU offer now a few months later but i think it stands to reason they would have taken what amounts to less than their prior offer (imo).

Obviously pre-lotto nobody knew the 2024 pick would jump up to #3 from the Nets slot at #9, but logically it seems pretty simple to me to expect Houston would have been happy to keep Green in lieu of the 3rd pick (which was reported yesterday they would have traded if not for Sheppard being on the clock).

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[drchaos]

Nic Claxton being unavailable twice.

Good catch!, the OP has been corrected.

[WargamesX]

I really think Philly should send the Nets a pick for Cam Johnson. Lowkey he is who they wished Tobias Harris was at the salary they should have been paying Harris.

[jredsaz]

Nic Claxton being unavailable twice.

Cam Johnson -- Disappointing rookie-scale player and 2nd(s) with expiring or 2-year salary
DFS -- Similar to Cam Johnson as he is an expiring
Ben Simmons -- Buyout candidate
Schroeder -- Buyout candidate
Sharpe -- 3-4 Seconds [See Rui Hachimura trade]

Is this how you are valuing those players?

[A BETTER DJ]

Would a couple of 2nds from the Magic work for Dennis Schroeder?

[jbk1234]

I think that speaks as much or more to the weakness of this draft than DFS because there were a lot of picks for sale, so even if DFS didnt have value the Nets could have gotten themselves into the first round if they wanted to. Heck they could have dealt directly with HOU for Bridges and taken the 3rd overall pick, plus the 2 they got back for just 3 FRPs total, and kept the PHO picks.

ironically enough, they seemed to choose the NYK 31, 28 swap, 25 MIL over getting the 3rd pick from Houston, which is pretty close to the price SAS got for selling #8.

Not sure about the bolded. Is there any reporting on that?

Shams reported the deadline offer even bigger than that since it included Green, I haven't seen any confirmation re the HOU offer now a few months later but i think it stands to reason they would have taken what amounts to less than their prior offer (imo).

Obviously pre-lotto nobody knew the 2024 pick would jump up to #3 from the Nets slot at #9, but logically it seems pretty simple to me to expect Houston would have been happy to keep Green in lieu of the 3rd pick (which was reported yesterday they would have traded if not for Sheppard being on the clock).

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The reason that would surprise me is that if the Nets could've gotten their picks back for Bridges, and kept the Suns picks, I have that as the better option over what they actually did.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

Would the pacers trade Jarace Walker for either Cam Johnson or a combo of DFS & a future second? Walker is only 20 and a former lottery pick, so he should interest the Nets. And after signing Siakam to a big extension and giving Toppin the qualifying offer, Wallace doesn't have a clear path to playing time.

If OKC strikes out on PG13, maybe Cam Johnson for Carson Wallace and a second rounder? I don't see a clear path for Wallace with all the guards that OKC has - Shai, Caruso, Isiah Joe, Dort, and last night's first rounder Topic. I'd like to see what Wallace could do on the Nets with extended playing time.

I'd also be interested in a deal centered around Jaden Ivey. I think he could do well in the lead PG role for a team, which he will never get in Detroit with Cade there. I know when Monty was the coach for Detroit last year and Cam was a free agent, Pistons were highly interested. 3 point shooting is a huge need for them as Cade, Duren, and Ausur are below average or non-existent 3 point shooters. Their new GM also said they were prioritizing 3 point shooters this off-season through trades and/or free agency.

[TheNetsFan]

I think the Nets are prioritizing future picks over this draft. We're seeing apron constrained teams trading back to pick up extra picks. Maybe the thought is loading up on more picks in the '25 or future drafts will help them trade up next year, especially from the 4 picks expected to be in he back half of the round. Sacramento owns Portland's '25 2nd. I could see that being a key part of a DFS deal, as that's expected to be a pretty high 2nd.

[Colbinii]

Nic Claxton being unavailable twice.

Cam Johnson -- Disappointing rookie-scale player and 2nd(s) with expiring or 2-year salary
DFS -- Similar to Cam Johnson as he is an expiring
Ben Simmons -- Buyout candidate
Schroeder -- Buyout candidate
Sharpe -- 3-4 Seconds [See Rui Hachimura trade]

Is this how you are valuing those players?

Yea

[TheNetsFan]

Would the pacers trade Jarace Walker for either Cam Johnson or a combo of DFS & a future second? Walker is only 20 and a former lottery pick, so he should interest the Nets. And after signing Siakam to a big extension and giving Toppin the qualifying offer, Wallace doesn't have a clear path to playing time.

If OKC strikes out on PG13, maybe Cam Johnson for Carson Wallace and a second rounder? I don't see a clear path for Wallace with all the guards that OKC has - Shai, Caruso, Isiah Joe, Dort, and last night's first rounder Topic. I'd like to see what Wallace could do on the Nets with extended playing time.

I'd also be interested in a deal centered around Jaden Ivey. I think he could do well in the lead PG role for a team, which he will never get in Detroit with Cade there. I know when Monty was the coach for Detroit last year and Cam was a free agent, Pistons were highly interested. 3 point shooting is a huge need for them as Cade, Duren, and Ausur are below average or non-existent 3 point shooters. Their new GM also said they were prioritizing 3 point shooters this off-season through trades and/or free agency.

You're speaking my language here. When discussing hypthetical Mikal trades (before we knew the Nets could get their picks back), I advocated for targeting Mathurin plus Walker or Nembhard (currently being coached by Jordi as part of Team Canada) for Bridges. If the Nets could land one of them in a CamJ or DFS deal, that would be a great move in my opinion.

I like taking a flyer on Ivey as well, but Detroit is not in win now mode. Indiana makes more sense as a suitor.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

Would the pacers trade Jarace Walker for either Cam Johnson or a combo of DFS & a future second? Walker is only 20 and a former lottery pick, so he should interest the Nets. And after signing Siakam to a big extension and giving Toppin the qualifying offer, Wallace doesn't have a clear path to playing time.

If OKC strikes out on PG13, maybe Cam Johnson for Carson Wallace and a second rounder? I don't see a clear path for Wallace with all the guards that OKC has - Shai, Caruso, Isiah Joe, Dort, and last night's first rounder Topic. I'd like to see what Wallace could do on the Nets with extended playing time.

I'd also be interested in a deal centered around Jaden Ivey. I think he could do well in the lead PG role for a team, which he will never get in Detroit with Cade there. I know when Monty was the coach for Detroit last year and Cam was a free agent, Pistons were highly interested. 3 point shooting is a huge need for them as Cade, Duren, and Ausur are below average or non-existent 3 point shooters. Their new GM also said they were prioritizing 3 point shooters this off-season through trades and/or free agency.

You're speaking my language here. When discussing hypthetical Mikal trades (before we knew the Nets could get their picks back), I advocated for targeting Mathurin plus Walker or Nembhard (currently being coached by Jordi as part of Team Canada) for Bridges. If the Nets could land one of them in a CamJ or DFS deal, that would be a great move in my opinion.

I like taking a flyer on Ivey as well, but Detroit is not in win now mode. Indiana makes more sense as a suitor.

I'd love to get Mathurin, even if it took both DFS and CamJ to get him. But I doubt Indy would move him unless it was a big name like you mentioned, Bridges or PG13, etc.

[Netaman]

The reason that would surprise me is that if the Nets could've gotten their picks back for Bridges, and kept the Suns picks, I have that as the better option over what they actually did.

someone asked me that question on that trade thread, and i thought it was a good question so here's how i did that calculus - this was prior to the draft, note that the net price difference I came up with for the 3rd overall pick is the same price SAS got for the 8th pick, plus the MIL25 FRP. So value not far off.

Wouldn't have Brooklyn been better off trading Bridges to Houston for #3/25 swap back/26 1st returned vs the picks they got from the Knicks?

i think that question is basically:

getting 3rd overall + keeping PHO 25/27/29

or

getting NYK 25/27/29/31 + 28 swap + MIL 25 (top 4 protected)

My view on that - 3x PHO picks are very likely better than the 3x NYK picks in 25/27/29, but let's pretend they are equal for a minute so they can cleanly cancel each other out. You are left with:

3rd overall pick
or
MIL 25, NYK31, NYK 28 swap

if you really liked someone at 3rd overall i think you'd prefer that over 2 distant unprotecteds and what will probably be pick 20-25 next year. but if you don't like 3rd overall because it's a weak draft and you value that as more of a pick #10-15 in a normal draft, then there's a good argument for the path they chose. Then the difference goes back to Phoenix vs NYK in 27/29/31?

Also I guess there's no certainty Houston put all 3 of 24/25/26 on the table.