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I proffer this if the Knicks get indications that iHart is coming back.
The below scenario would be looped into the Bridges trade as a 3way with the Knicks now sending out more salary in the trade then they are receiving, giving them access to spend up to the 2nd apron.
Inspired a bit from the Grimes to Dallas trade.

Knicks trade:
Mitchell Robinson
2 2nd Round Picks

Knicks receive:
Moses Moody
Gui Santos

Warriors trade:
Kevon Looney
Moses Moody
Gui Santos

Warriors receive:
Mitchell Robinson

Nets trade:
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Nets receive:
Kevon Looney
2 2nd round picks

Explained it for NY - but if the choice is Moody and iHart and additional financial flexibility or Mitch and 2 picks, the choice is easy.
Warriors get a starting caliber center they've been looking for and send out more then they take in not triggering the first apron.
Nets get 2 2nd round picks for taking on Looney's 8mil pact.

If GSW is not taking back more money then seems reasonable.

Not sure they love the idea of two big men that have no range, especially if they are potentially losing Klay. Team will have zero spacing outside of curry.

Looney and Moody are better than Mitchell and cheaper..not sure what is the point of this trade

Why not keep Robinson & Hartenstein if IH will accept what we can offer?

cgf wrote:Why not keep Robinson & Hartenstein if IH will accept what we can offer?

If the Knicks don't expand the Bridges deal to send out more salary than they're taking back, they will be hard capped at the 1st apron. They currently have about $6.1M of wiggle room below that. So obviously, they can't make a realistic offer to IH while staying under and keeping everyone. In order to send out more than they're taking back in the Bridges deal, they can't stack multiple minimums. So including the pupu platter of Sims/Jeffries/Diakite won't get it done either.

Unless they want to make a bigger move with someone else (Brunson, Randle, Hart, DDV), their only two options for expanding the Bridges deal are sending out Mitch Robinson or McBride. With McBride, it's just enough salary to avoid being capped at the 1st apron so they wouldn't be able to take anyone else back. With Robinson, there's room to take some other guys back and still have the math work because he makes a good chunk more than they need to add to the Bridges deal.

If they do that, they become hard capped at 2nd apron instead of the 1st. Right now, they're about $16.9M under the 2nd apron. So even if they did send out McBride in the deal to be hard capped at the 2nd apron vs. the 1st, they'd be about $21M under the 2nd apron. Factoring in filling out the required roster spots, they wouldn't be able to offer IH the maximum amount they can. And that's already asking him to take a pay cut most likely per rumors of OKC and ORL interest.

You kind of just make the decision chart out of what they need to do to keep IH and all the paths lead to having to move Robinson.

hugepatsfan wrote:

cgf wrote:Why not keep Robinson & Hartenstein if IH will accept what we can offer?

If the Knicks don't expand the Bridges deal to send out more salary than they're taking back, they will be hard capped at the 1st apron. They currently have about $6.1M of wiggle room below that. So obviously, they can't make a realistic offer to IH while staying under and keeping everyone. In order to send out more than they're taking back in the Bridges deal, they can't stack multiple minimums. So including the pupu platter of Sims/Jeffries/Diakite won't get it done either.

Unless they want to make a bigger move with someone else (Brunson, Randle, Hart, DDV), their only two options for expanding the Bridges deal are sending out Mitch Robinson or McBride. With McBride, it's just enough salary to avoid being capped at the 1st apron so they wouldn't be able to take anyone else back. With Robinson, there's room to take some other guys back and still have the math work because he makes a good chunk more than they need to add to the Bridges deal.

If they do that, they become hard capped at 2nd apron instead of the 1st. Right now, they're about $16.9M under the 2nd apron. So even if they did send out McBride in the deal to be hard capped at the 2nd apron vs. the 1st, they'd be about $21M under the 2nd apron. Factoring in filling out the required roster spots, they wouldn't be able to offer IH the maximum amount they can. And that's already asking him to take a pay cut most likely per rumors of OKC and ORL interest.

You kind of just make the decision chart out of what they need to do to keep IH and all the paths lead to having to move Robinson.

Ah, didn’t realize we were hard capped at the first apron.

hugepatsfan wrote:

cgf wrote:Why not keep Robinson & Hartenstein if IH will accept what we can offer?

If the Knicks don't expand the Bridges deal to send out more salary than they're taking back, they will be hard capped at the 1st apron. They currently have about $6.1M of wiggle room below that. So obviously, they can't make a realistic offer to IH while staying under and keeping everyone. In order to send out more than they're taking back in the Bridges deal, they can't stack multiple minimums. So including the pupu platter of Sims/Jeffries/Diakite won't get it done either.

Unless they want to make a bigger move with someone else (Brunson, Randle, Hart, DDV), their only two options for expanding the Bridges deal are sending out Mitch Robinson or McBride. With McBride, it's just enough salary to avoid being capped at the 1st apron so they wouldn't be able to take anyone else back. With Robinson, there's room to take some other guys back and still have the math work because he makes a good chunk more than they need to add to the Bridges deal.

If they do that, they become hard capped at 2nd apron instead of the 1st. Right now, they're about $16.9M under the 2nd apron. So even if they did send out McBride in the deal to be hard capped at the 2nd apron vs. the 1st, they'd be about $21M under the 2nd apron. Factoring in filling out the required roster spots, they wouldn't be able to offer IH the maximum amount they can. And that's already asking him to take a pay cut most likely per rumors of OKC and ORL interest.

You kind of just make the decision chart out of what they need to do to keep IH and all the paths lead to having to move Robinson.

The more I think about this, the smartest thing to do is flip McBride for a late 2025 1st//high 2025 2nd and get to the 2nd apron.

It's painful for the Knicks to sell low on McBride given how much they gave up for Bridges. And I really wish we could swap McBride for our 2031 pick back. But this makes the most sense, especially if it locks in Hartenstein. The way Thibs plays, the Knicks need their rim protection depth.

R-DAWG wrote:

hugepatsfan wrote:

cgf wrote:Why not keep Robinson & Hartenstein if IH will accept what we can offer?

If the Knicks don't expand the Bridges deal to send out more salary than they're taking back, they will be hard capped at the 1st apron. They currently have about $6.1M of wiggle room below that. So obviously, they can't make a realistic offer to IH while staying under and keeping everyone. In order to send out more than they're taking back in the Bridges deal, they can't stack multiple minimums. So including the pupu platter of Sims/Jeffries/Diakite won't get it done either.

Unless they want to make a bigger move with someone else (Brunson, Randle, Hart, DDV), their only two options for expanding the Bridges deal are sending out Mitch Robinson or McBride. With McBride, it's just enough salary to avoid being capped at the 1st apron so they wouldn't be able to take anyone else back. With Robinson, there's room to take some other guys back and still have the math work because he makes a good chunk more than they need to add to the Bridges deal.

If they do that, they become hard capped at 2nd apron instead of the 1st. Right now, they're about $16.9M under the 2nd apron. So even if they did send out McBride in the deal to be hard capped at the 2nd apron vs. the 1st, they'd be about $21M under the 2nd apron. Factoring in filling out the required roster spots, they wouldn't be able to offer IH the maximum amount they can. And that's already asking him to take a pay cut most likely per rumors of OKC and ORL interest.

You kind of just make the decision chart out of what they need to do to keep IH and all the paths lead to having to move Robinson.

The more I think about this, the smartest thing to do is flip McBride for a late 2025 1st//high 2025 2nd and get to the 2nd apron.

It's painful for the Knicks to sell low on McBride given how much they gave up for Bridges. And I really wish we could swap McBride for our 2031 pick back. But this makes the most sense, especially if it locks in Hartenstein. The way Thibs plays, the Knicks need their rim protection depth.

If IH wants to stay, I could unfortunately see that. But I also don’t think we’re in trouble if we can’t make it work and need to roll into the season with Mitch / Precious & Jericho.

cgf wrote:

R-DAWG wrote:

hugepatsfan wrote:
If the Knicks don't expand the Bridges deal to send out more salary than they're taking back, they will be hard capped at the 1st apron. They currently have about $6.1M of wiggle room below that. So obviously, they can't make a realistic offer to IH while staying under and keeping everyone. In order to send out more than they're taking back in the Bridges deal, they can't stack multiple minimums. So including the pupu platter of Sims/Jeffries/Diakite won't get it done either.

Unless they want to make a bigger move with someone else (Brunson, Randle, Hart, DDV), their only two options for expanding the Bridges deal are sending out Mitch Robinson or McBride. With McBride, it's just enough salary to avoid being capped at the 1st apron so they wouldn't be able to take anyone else back. With Robinson, there's room to take some other guys back and still have the math work because he makes a good chunk more than they need to add to the Bridges deal.

If they do that, they become hard capped at 2nd apron instead of the 1st. Right now, they're about $16.9M under the 2nd apron. So even if they did send out McBride in the deal to be hard capped at the 2nd apron vs. the 1st, they'd be about $21M under the 2nd apron. Factoring in filling out the required roster spots, they wouldn't be able to offer IH the maximum amount they can. And that's already asking him to take a pay cut most likely per rumors of OKC and ORL interest.

You kind of just make the decision chart out of what they need to do to keep IH and all the paths lead to having to move Robinson.

The more I think about this, the smartest thing to do is flip McBride for a late 2025 1st//high 2025 2nd and get to the 2nd apron.

It's painful for the Knicks to sell low on McBride given how much they gave up for Bridges. And I really wish we could swap McBride for our 2031 pick back. But this makes the most sense, especially if it locks in Hartenstein. The way Thibs plays, the Knicks need their rim protection depth.

If IH wants to stay, I could unfortunately see that. But I also don’t think we’re in trouble if we can’t make it work and need to roll into the season with Mitch / Precious & Jericho.

I think the two man combo of I-Hart/Mitch is very important to the team, and downgrading from I-Hart to Precious/Jericho isn't great. It's not like Mitch is an Iron man who you can count on from 30+ minutes per game over 70+ games.

I'd feel more comfortable rolling the dice with Precious/Jericho as the backup to I-Hart rather than Mitch based on durability alone.

Also - the more I think about the roster, I kind of like the idea of signing a vet min guy who is more of a ballhandler/playmaker to platoon with Kolek as the backup point guard. I'm thinking Kyle Lowry or Eric Gordon.

I-Hart/Mitch/Sims
Randle
OG/Hart/Dadiet
Bridges/DDV/McCullar
Brunson/Lowry/Kolek

Assuming the vet min cap hit is $2.7MM (I think it might be lower), NY would have 13 players on the roster and enough room to round out the roster using the taxpayer MLE.

As long as we can get something of value back for Duce, preferably one of the first rd picks we gave up for Bridges, this is the smart way to go.

Yep I do this for GS for sure, deal.