DET Clear Up their Perimeter USG Glut (6 Ideas!)

[eitanr]

The Pistons now have Cade, Ivey, Thompson and Holland who all need the ball in their hands, usage, and spacing around them to be successful. It does not seem this core will be able to complement one another.

As a result, Detroit is best off moving at least 1-2 of those core 4 in hopes of attracting better fitting talent long term.

1. UTAH
A. Thompson, J. Ivey
FOR
T. Hendricks, K. George

Why for Utah: The Jazz have their own front court glut and could use more high usage perimeter talent. Ivey and George can take that reign along with new comer Cody Williams.

Why for DET: Pistons capture a much needed future 3 and D potential 4. George has more true PG qualities that seem like a better fit alongside Cade.

2. PORTLAND
A. Thompson, J. Ivey, I. Stewart
FOR
A. Simons, R. Williams 3rd

Why for POR: The team already added Clingan and is reportedly shopping Timelord. Simons will seemingly take a backseat to other youth at the guard slots. Ivey can be a project replacing both Simons AND Brogdan, who was previously traded. Thompson can form a lethal young forward combo with Deni now in tow. Stewart adds nice backup PF depth.

Why for DET: Simons can help immediately alongside Cade in a backcourt. Make the Pistons more competitive, adding needed perimeter shooting and half court scoring. RW3 provides a needed backup 5 and forms a lengthy center tandem with Duren.

3. MILWAUKEE
T. Brown Jr, I. Stewart, Future DAL 2nd Rd Pick
FOR
B. Lopez

Why for MIL: Bucks need to get a bit younger, add depth and can showcase Portis as a starter. They add an asset here and leverage beef stew as a duplicate force with Portis.

Why for DET: If Detroit rather opt in for a pure high usage perimeter core, they will need a pure spacing 5. BroLo adds to their veteran leadership, but at least helps spaces for their perimeter core to take over.

4. CLEVELAND
A. Thompson, I. Stewart
FOR
J. Allen, D. Wade

Why for CLE: Cavs will likely renounce Okoro to FA and will need a 2-way defensive talent long term. Insert Thompson, who can emerge as a lethal defensive wing as part of the rotation. The team also already wants to move Allen and instead here gets I. Stewart who could make more sense in a 3rd big role.

Why for DET: Allen can start right away at the 5 and provides light spacing there, but is most helpful as a rim protector and vet defensive presence. Wade is the underrated piece here as a pure spacing 4.

5. BROOKLYN
J. Ivey, I. Stewart
FOR
C. Johnson

Why for BKN. Discussed a ton on these boards, Nets are in the midst of a rebuild and acquire a high potential guard in Ivey with a serviceable big.

Why for DET: Cam can slot in as a small ball 4 in an interesting potential starting unit for Detroit.

6. MINNESOTA
J. Ivey, I. Stewart, 2 future DAL 2nds
FOR
N. Reid, NAW, J. Minot

Why for MIN: Wolves shed some roster slots and add valuable second rounders to their war chest. They now have Conley Jr locked up and Dillingham coming in. Ivey is a worthy add as an additional high usage guard to own the second unit. He would fit in that role better than NAW and alleviates concerns of losing Mclaughin. I. Stewart fits well as a more logical 3rd big. Minot is added to make the trade work since MIN is an apron team.

Why for DET: Reid would fit in perfectly as a defensive 3 and D talent for this young group. He doesn't need the ball as much and can also serve as an additional 5 for the second unit. NAW played well in off the ball PG type role in MIN. His defensive and ability to space a bit as a 1 could be used in DET as well in a unit with Cade/Thompson.

[Godaddycurse]

6. MINNESOTA
J. Ivey, I. Stewart, 2 future DAL 2nds
FOR
N. Reid, NAW, J. Minot, W. Moore Jr

Why for MIN: Wolves shed some roster slots and add valuable second rounders to their war chest. They now have Conley Jr locked up and Dillingham coming in. Ivey is a worthy add as an additional high usage guard to own the second unit. He would fit in that role better than NAW and alleviates concerns of losing Mclaughin. I. Stewart fits well as a more logical 3rd big. Minot and Moore are added to make the trade work since MIN is an apron team.

Why for DET: Reid would fit in perfectly as a defensive 3 and D talent for this young group. He doesn't need the ball as much and can also serve as an additional 5 for the second unit. NAW played well in off the ball PG type role in MIN. His defensive and ability to space a bit as a 1 could be used in DET as well in a unit with Cade/Thompson.

1) Moore has already been traded.... To Detroit
2)Minny cant aggregate

[eitanr]

6. MINNESOTA
J. Ivey, I. Stewart, 2 future DAL 2nds
FOR
N. Reid, NAW, J. Minot, W. Moore Jr

Why for MIN: Wolves shed some roster slots and add valuable second rounders to their war chest. They now have Conley Jr locked up and Dillingham coming in. Ivey is a worthy add as an additional high usage guard to own the second unit. He would fit in that role better than NAW and alleviates concerns of losing Mclaughin. I. Stewart fits well as a more logical 3rd big. Minot and Moore are added to make the trade work since MIN is an apron team.

Why for DET: Reid would fit in perfectly as a defensive 3 and D talent for this young group. He doesn't need the ball as much and can also serve as an additional 5 for the second unit. NAW played well in off the ball PG type role in MIN. His defensive and ability to space a bit as a 1 could be used in DET as well in a unit with Cade/Thompson.

1) Moore has already been traded.... To Detroit
2)Minny cant aggregate

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[DetroitDon15]

All terrible trades for Detroit. A lot of them create more problems. You can’t add Allen when you still Duren. We trade higher ceiling guys for guys that either crest log jams elsewhere or Lowe ceiling players.

[eitanr]

All terrible trades for Detroit. A lot of them create more problems. You can’t add Allen when you still Duren. We trade higher ceiling guys for guys that either crest log jams elsewhere or Lowe ceiling players.

You need some win now vets to complement the core perimeter glut. The Minny deal seems the most idealistic among the ones noted.

[hugepatsfan]

This is a conundrum for DET. Thompson and Ivey have lost value. Neither have, so far, lived up to their draft status and the rookie contract years have waned away. DET's fans likely still view them (particularly Thompson) at the value they drafted them at, but doubtful that they'd be able to return such value in a real world trade. Reminds me of when PHI drafted all those bigs and kept holding out for "fair" value of Okafor until his trade value slowly waned away to nothing. You can write off their weak play as being victim of bad circumstances all you want but the reality is that when rookie scale years run out on the contract and the guy isn't looking great, he loses value.

I think they probably have to pick between Ivey and Thompson and sell low on the one they like least to try and salvage th developmental potential of the other.

[LightTheBeam]

1. Utah says no. I like George the most of those guys.
2. Awful for Detroit, like really really bad.
5. I guess if they've lost hope in Ivey, Cam is a good shooter?
6. If they could get Naz for Ivey i'd do that easily from Det pov, but Minnesota wont agree.

3-4, I like Duren so I wouldn't look at those targets.

What about Huerter for Beef Stew? Detroit gets a shooter, Sac gets some toughness.

[zeebneeb]

You know whats strange? These are all brutally terrible trades for Detroit. Its obvious.

With that said;

The team is rotten. Horrible. The drippings under a dumpster fire. Horrific fit. still no coach, and a new POBO that seems to be some kind of clone of Weaver. Perhaps alien involvement.

Its not like these trades could possibly make the team worse, but the trades suck. All of these trades have to throw in 1st round picks, as that's what braintrust wants, assets.

Good grief.

[Billl]

You can cross all the ones involving ausar off the list. He's not going anywhere.

[JRoy]

All terrible trades for Detroit. A lot of them create more problems. You can’t add Allen when you still Duren. We trade higher ceiling guys for guys that either crest log jams elsewhere or Lowe ceiling players.

I can understand DET saying no to all of these but they need to do something besides collecting another 5th pick overall next year.

[JRoy]

You know whats strange? These are all brutally terrible trades for Detroit. Its obvious.

With that said;

The team is rotten. Horrible. The drippings under a dumpster fire. Horrific fit. still no coach, and a new POBO that seems to be some kind of clone of Weaver. Perhaps alien involvement.

Its not like these trades could possibly make the team worse, but the trades suck. All of these trades have to throw in 1st round picks, as that's what braintrust wants, assets.

Good grief.

I have read your recent posts and appreciate the tooth-grinding frustration of a real fan.

Shine on you crazy Diamond.

[jbk1234]

If the Cavs ending up having to replace Okoro, they can do that without trading Allen. Davion Mitchell just got salary dumped on the Raptors. Okogie can probably be had for the tax MLE.

[babyjax13]

Not interested for Utah. We just drafted a guard who can't shoot in Collier, so no desire to swap George for Ivey. I also prefer Hendricks to Ausar. I assume the value is probably close to even in a vacuum, just would rather keep pur guys who fit better.

[chrbal]

I don’t really anticipate us making a significant trade. I’m thinking we’re getting guys like Jock Landale and Dennis Schröder for example with some mixture of second round picks.

Players in roughly their young 30s who can help a young team potentially develop but don’t really make an big impact on better teams

[eitanr]

As much as Pistons fans are saying 'if Ausar is included no deal'...I believe a previous poster made the accurate comparison to the Colangelo Sixers who had drafted Okafor after having Embiid and Noel. Someone has got to go. I would argue probably two guys need to go for spacing. If you peel the onion, Ivey just doesn't have great value right now, so Detroit won't get the complementary spacing by trading him. He could be added on to a deal for better fit perhaps, but the value is not there, so is it worth it?

Ausar is likely the guy. I think he can be a great 2-way wing, but how can he develop on this roster now?

Moving Ausar, maxing his value, and getting better fitting young talent that can complement seems like a most realistic course of action. The following players would be my targets. Unsure who is even realistic though:

Naz Reid
Taylor Hendricks (and picks)
Trey Murphy (feels doubtful, even with adding on cap)
GG Jackson
J. Walker
WCJ
Whitmore
D. Hunter

Finally, for those 'let's just overpay a spacing PF' route? Who? You really want to overpay an aging Tobias Harris, unknown Patrick Williams to over compensate here? That can dig a hole even deeper in Detroit.

[cucad8]

2 is way too good for Portland so...yes please!

[7r5ur]

All terrible trades for Detroit. A lot of them create more problems. You can’t add Allen when you still Duren. We trade higher ceiling guys for guys that either crest log jams elsewhere or Lowe ceiling players.

I can understand DET saying no to all of these but they need to do something besides collecting another 5th pick overall next year.

Yet the thing to do is obviously not to just dump away 19-21 year old dudes because they aren't finished products in year one or two. Pistons aren't trying to be good. Hitting big in the draft is the only way and they have to keep trying until they do and keep developing the players they have until you find out what they really are.

No reason to sell high ceiling for low ceiling. There are still plenty of minutes for the guys on the roster and other methods to obtain marginal floor raising players, which is all the Pistons need. They want to be normal bad, not all-time bad. That's doable without selling the farm for Anfernee Simons lol

[Chinook]

What's with so many guys coming into the league being unable to shoot nowadays? How is that not the thing they practice the most?

[7r5ur]

What's with so many guys coming into the league being unable to shoot nowadays? How is that not the thing they practice the most?

It tends to be the super athletic dudes that can dominate solely based on having such a huge physical advantage over opponents when they're coming up through HS and college. The trick is which ones can figure that out in their first handful of years in the NBA.

Also guys go from the high school line to the college line to the NBA line and sometimes don't have the strength/conditioning for that shot right away.

[Kalamazoo317]

Why do people see Ausar as an on-ball offensive guy? He mostly played off ball with Amen on ball when they were at Overtime Elite. Ausar's offensive game is lobs, cuts, and put backs. He can iso a little, but doesn't really have a great handle yet. He's just as likely to get that down as he is to develop his catch and shoot game (hoping for development in both areas) but he's not a guy you build around as an on ball creator. That's just not him.
He'll either need to develop as a shooter or he's probably a bust and just a situational defender with no real offensive role. His strength is obviously his defense. But what he wants to do on offense just doesn't overlap with Cade and Ivey the way you would think. His lack of spacing does make *their* job harder, but that's a different story.