Warriors - Kings - Detroit

[LightTheBeam]

Kings out: Huerter, Duarte, 2 2nds
Kings in: Wiggins

Gs out: Wiggins
GS in: Huerter

Det out: nothing
Detroit in: Duarte + 2 2nds

Why for sac? Move to become more athletic, take a chance Wiggins becomes interested in Sac again with Mike Brown. Slot him as a starting forward next to Keegan and move Barnes to the bench.

Why for GS? Seems like a breakup is inevitable. They take a chance on the cheaper Huerter as a Klay replacement. Think his looks and confidence will elevate him next to Steph. Save an extra nearly 10 million.

Why for Detroit? They took one look at free agency and realized it's best to eat some expiring salary. Here they get paid 2 2nds to take 1 year of Duarte.

[theBigLip]

What are the SRPs?

[gswhoops]

Yeah I'd probably do it, but I think I'm lower on Wiggins than most GS fans.

[LightTheBeam]

What are the SRPs?

I'd imagine 2025 &2026 Kings 2nds

[LightTheBeam]

Yeah I'd probably do it, but I think I'm lower on Wiggins than most GS fans.

Sounds like you guys want to move CP3 in a trade with the latest move. Unless my math is off I have them post trade at 132.1 not including CP3.

Could then use CP3 to chase after a number of guys to strengthen the roster.

Curry, Huerter, GP2, Pod
Kuminga, Dray, Moody
Trayce, Looney
+ Whatever they get from CP3

[gswhoops]

Yeah I'd probably do it, but I think I'm lower on Wiggins than most GS fans.

Sounds like you guys want to move CP3 in a trade with the latest move. Unless my math is off I have them post trade at 132.1 not including CP3.

Could then use CP3 to chase after a number of guys to strengthen the roster.

Curry, Huerter, GP2, Pod
Kuminga, Dray, Moody
Trayce, Looney
+ Whatever they get from CP3

My guess is that this is Paul George-specific. I would be surprised if we guaranteed CP3 to take back Jerami Grant or Zach LaVine or someone like that.

Math-wise that seems right, off the top of my head I think we were at 144 with no CP3 and no Klay.

[LightTheBeam]

Yeah I'd probably do it, but I think I'm lower on Wiggins than most GS fans.

Sounds like you guys want to move CP3 in a trade with the latest move. Unless my math is off I have them post trade at 132.1 not including CP3.

Could then use CP3 to chase after a number of guys to strengthen the roster.

Curry, Huerter, GP2, Pod
Kuminga, Dray, Moody
Trayce, Looney
+ Whatever they get from CP3

My guess is that this is Paul George-specific. I would be surprised if we guaranteed CP3 to take back Jerami Grant or Zach LaVine or someone like that.

Math-wise that seems right, off the top of my head I think we were at 144 with no CP3 and no Klay.

I'm struggling with this new apron stuff. Yesterday I read GS became hardcapped with the #52 trade. But if they renounce Klay do they un-hard cap themselves?

Otherwise how do you trade for PG13?

[zeebneeb]

Sure, why not. Pepperidge Farms remembers when Duarte looked like a promising rookie. Plus the two 2nds? Tragic is stockpiling them, so this seems perfect.

[gswhoops]

Sounds like you guys want to move CP3 in a trade with the latest move. Unless my math is off I have them post trade at 132.1 not including CP3.

Could then use CP3 to chase after a number of guys to strengthen the roster.

Curry, Huerter, GP2, Pod
Kuminga, Dray, Moody
Trayce, Looney
+ Whatever they get from CP3

My guess is that this is Paul George-specific. I would be surprised if we guaranteed CP3 to take back Jerami Grant or Zach LaVine or someone like that.

Math-wise that seems right, off the top of my head I think we were at 144 with no CP3 and no Klay.

I'm struggling with this new apron stuff. Yesterday I read GS became hardcapped with the #52 trade. But if they renounce Klay do they un-hard cap themselves?

Otherwise how do you trade for PG13?

We are hard-capped at the second apron ($189.4M) because we sent cash to Portland for the #52 pick. But we haven't done anything yet that would hard cap us at the first apron ($178.6M). So we could get up to $189.4M as long as we don't do anything that would hard cap us at the first apron (i.e., use more then the taxpayer portion of the MLE, take back >100% of outgoing salary in a trade, etc.)

[LightTheBeam]

My guess is that this is Paul George-specific. I would be surprised if we guaranteed CP3 to take back Jerami Grant or Zach LaVine or someone like that.

Math-wise that seems right, off the top of my head I think we were at 144 with no CP3 and no Klay.

I'm struggling with this new apron stuff. Yesterday I read GS became hardcapped with the #52 trade. But if they renounce Klay do they un-hard cap themselves?

Otherwise how do you trade for PG13?

We are hard-capped at the second apron ($189.4M) because we sent cash to Portland for the #52 pick. But we haven't done anything yet that would hard cap us at the first apron ($178.6M). So in theory we could get up to $189.4M as long as we don't do anything that would hard cap us at the first apron (i.e., use more then the taxpayer portion of the MLE, take back >100% of outgoing salary in a trade, etc.)

I see. So currently speaking, GS could aggregate salaries say Payton, Looney, CP3 + Picks to get to PG13

But based on the math that definitely means letting Klay walk.

[gswhoops]

I'm struggling with this new apron stuff. Yesterday I read GS became hardcapped with the #52 trade. But if they renounce Klay do they un-hard cap themselves?

Otherwise how do you trade for PG13?

We are hard-capped at the second apron ($189.4M) because we sent cash to Portland for the #52 pick. But we haven't done anything yet that would hard cap us at the first apron ($178.6M). So in theory we could get up to $189.4M as long as we don't do anything that would hard cap us at the first apron (i.e., use more then the taxpayer portion of the MLE, take back >100% of outgoing salary in a trade, etc.)

I see. So currently speaking, GS could aggregate salaries say Payton, Looney, CP3 + Picks to get to PG13

But based on the math that definitely means letting Klay walk.

In theory, we could trade for PG13 and then use Bird rights to re-sign Klay as long as the sum of our team salaries (plus cap holds, empty roster charges, etc.) doesn't exceed the second apron, and we don't take back more salary than we send out in the PG13 trade.

But yeah in practice that's a difficult line to walk unless Klay's contract demands come down significantly.

[gswhoops]

We are hard-capped at the second apron ($189.4M) because we sent cash to Portland for the #52 pick. But we haven't done anything yet that would hard cap us at the first apron ($178.6M). So in theory we could get up to $189.4M as long as we don't do anything that would hard cap us at the first apron (i.e., use more then the taxpayer portion of the MLE, take back >100% of outgoing salary in a trade, etc.)

I see. So currently speaking, GS could aggregate salaries say Payton, Looney, CP3 + Picks to get to PG13

But based on the math that definitely means letting Klay walk.

In theory, we could trade for PG13 and then use Bird rights to re-sign Klay as long as the sum of our team salaries (plus cap holds, empty roster charges, etc.) doesn't exceed the second apron, and we don't take back more salary than we send out in the PG13 trade.

But yeah in practice that's a difficult line to walk unless Klay's contract demands come down significantly.

Just to put some color on this, because it's Friday and I don't feel like working:

If we trade CP3, GP2, Looney, Moody, and picks to LA for PG, we are at $169.8M (or $19.6M under the second apron) with 7 players under contract. If you add six vet mins that subtracts another $10.8M, which leaves you with $8.8M for the final roster spot.

So basically, you have to let Klay walk or find a way to dump Wiggins into cap space.

[LightTheBeam]

I see. So currently speaking, GS could aggregate salaries say Payton, Looney, CP3 + Picks to get to PG13

But based on the math that definitely means letting Klay walk.

In theory, we could trade for PG13 and then use Bird rights to re-sign Klay as long as the sum of our team salaries (plus cap holds, empty roster charges, etc.) doesn't exceed the second apron, and we don't take back more salary than we send out in the PG13 trade.

But yeah in practice that's a difficult line to walk unless Klay's contract demands come down significantly.

Just to put some color on this, because it's Friday and I don't feel like working:

If we trade CP3, GP2, Looney, Moody, and picks to LA for PG, we are at $169.8M (or $19.6M under the second apron) with 7 players under contract. If you add six vet mins that subtracts another $10.8M, which leaves you with $8.8M for the final roster spot.

So basically, you have to let Klay walk or find a way to dump Wiggins into cap space.

All great insight!

So ya, the concept of Klay & PG means an outright dump of Wiggins. I wonder if there is a team looking at free agency and would rather take Wiggins. SA could make sense, and maybe even Detroit.

[SNPA]

Kings out: Huerter, Duarte, 2 2nds
Kings in: Wiggins

Gs out: Wiggins
GS in: Huerter

Det out: nothing
Detroit in: Duarte + 2 2nds

Why for sac? Move to become more athletic, take a chance Wiggins becomes interested in Sac again with Mike Brown. Slot him as a starting forward next to Keegan and move Barnes to the bench.

Why for GS? Seems like a breakup is inevitable. They take a chance on the cheaper Huerter as a Klay replacement. Think his looks and confidence will elevate him next to Steph. Save an extra nearly 10 million.

Why for Detroit? They took one look at free agency and realized it's best to eat some expiring salary. Here they get paid 2 2nds to take 1 year of Duarte.

Wiggin doesn’t work for Sac. He forces Murray to PF and that doesn’t pair well with Sabonis.

Kings just sent out two seconds yesterday as well.

[BoogieTime]

I feel like I have to save this for every two to three weeks you bring this up here or on the Kings board but, he's in a place where he should care being around that Warriors legacy. Why would he care more here than around hall of famers in a market like the Bay Area?

[LightTheBeam]

Kings out: Huerter, Duarte, 2 2nds
Kings in: Wiggins

Gs out: Wiggins
GS in: Huerter

Det out: nothing
Detroit in: Duarte + 2 2nds

Why for sac? Move to become more athletic, take a chance Wiggins becomes interested in Sac again with Mike Brown. Slot him as a starting forward next to Keegan and move Barnes to the bench.

Why for GS? Seems like a breakup is inevitable. They take a chance on the cheaper Huerter as a Klay replacement. Think his looks and confidence will elevate him next to Steph. Save an extra nearly 10 million.

Why for Detroit? They took one look at free agency and realized it's best to eat some expiring salary. Here they get paid 2 2nds to take 1 year of Duarte.

Wiggin doesn’t work for Sac. He forces Murray to PF and that doesn’t pair well with Sabonis.

Kings just sent out two seconds yesterday as well.

Wiggins guarded PFs for GS championship run and was fine.

The team clearly is less concerned with height and more about going athletic with good POA defenders to help Sabonis. On paper this is a much more athletic team.
Fox/Monk
Keon/Carter
Wiggins/Barnes
Keegan/Lyles
Sabonis/

Obviously a PF would be the preference. But who is really out there that's much of a difference? Realistically speaking does getting Cam Johnson, Kuzma, Ingram help our defense more than an engaged Wiggins? If we are dead set on a PF then we need to look at Isiah Stewart or John Collins, and yes our rebounding would be better, but our defense wouldn't be.

Denver - Gordon/MPJ
Dallas - PJ/DJJ
OKC - Dort/Williams
LAC - PG13/Kawhi
Suns - KD/Grayson
LA - Rui/Bron

So the teams you don't match up with post trade are still NOP and I guess Wolves but KAT didn't really punish Barnes last year either and Wiggins would only do better. IDK I'm not holding up a deal because the worry of the Pelicans. We just need to do better, and JVal hurt us more than Zion tbh

[SNPA]

Kings out: Huerter, Duarte, 2 2nds
Kings in: Wiggins

Gs out: Wiggins
GS in: Huerter

Det out: nothing
Detroit in: Duarte + 2 2nds

Why for sac? Move to become more athletic, take a chance Wiggins becomes interested in Sac again with Mike Brown. Slot him as a starting forward next to Keegan and move Barnes to the bench.

Why for GS? Seems like a breakup is inevitable. They take a chance on the cheaper Huerter as a Klay replacement. Think his looks and confidence will elevate him next to Steph. Save an extra nearly 10 million.

Why for Detroit? They took one look at free agency and realized it's best to eat some expiring salary. Here they get paid 2 2nds to take 1 year of Duarte.

Wiggin doesn’t work for Sac. He forces Murray to PF and that doesn’t pair well with Sabonis.

Kings just sent out two seconds yesterday as well.

Wiggins guarded PFs for GS championship run and was fine.

The team clearly is less concerned with height and more about going athletic with good POA defenders to help Sabonis. On paper this is a much more athletic team.
Fox/Monk
Keon/Carter
Wiggins/Barnes
Keegan/Lyles
Sabonis/

Obviously a PF would be the preference. But who is really out there that's much of a difference? Realistically speaking does getting Cam Johnson, Kuzma, Ingram help our defense more than an engaged Wiggins? If we are dead set on a PF then we need to look at Isiah Stewart or John Collins, and yes our rebounding would be better, but our defense wouldn't be.

Denver - Gordon/MPJ
Dallas - PJ/DJJ
OKC - Dort/Williams
LAC - PG13/Kawhi
Suns - KD/Grayson
LA - Rui/Bron

So the teams you don't match up with post trade are still NOP and I guess Wolves but KAT didn't really punish Barnes last year either and Wiggins would only do better. IDK I'm not holding up a deal because the worry of the Pelicans. We just need to do better, and JVal hurt us more than Zion tbh

He adds athleticism for sure. But even if bringing him on was considered (I’d like him in a bench role) this deal structure is all wrong. Why is Sac paying two seconds to dump Duarte on Detroit? GS is the one in tax hell trying to get off large under performing contracts. Cut out Detroit. Huerter/Duarte for Wiggins. Duarte is an expiring and Huerter is a year less than Wiggins.

[LightTheBeam]

Wiggin doesn’t work for Sac. He forces Murray to PF and that doesn’t pair well with Sabonis.

Kings just sent out two seconds yesterday as well.

Wiggins guarded PFs for GS championship run and was fine.

The team clearly is less concerned with height and more about going athletic with good POA defenders to help Sabonis. On paper this is a much more athletic team.
Fox/Monk
Keon/Carter
Wiggins/Barnes
Keegan/Lyles
Sabonis/

Obviously a PF would be the preference. But who is really out there that's much of a difference? Realistically speaking does getting Cam Johnson, Kuzma, Ingram help our defense more than an engaged Wiggins? If we are dead set on a PF then we need to look at Isiah Stewart or John Collins, and yes our rebounding would be better, but our defense wouldn't be.

Denver - Gordon/MPJ
Dallas - PJ/DJJ
OKC - Dort/Williams
LAC - PG13/Kawhi
Suns - KD/Grayson
LA - Rui/Bron

So the teams you don't match up with post trade are still NOP and I guess Wolves but KAT didn't really punish Barnes last year either and Wiggins would only do better. IDK I'm not holding up a deal because the worry of the Pelicans. We just need to do better, and JVal hurt us more than Zion tbh

He adds athleticism for sure. But even if bringing him on was considered (I’d like him in a bench role) this deal structure is all wrong. Why is Sac paying two seconds to dump Duarte on Detroit? GS is the one in tax hell trying to get off large under performing contracts. Cut out Detroit. Huerter/Duarte for Wiggins. Duarte is an expiring and Huerter is a year less than Wiggins.

1. Wiggins is a much more in demand position
2. Both had down years. In an up year Wiggins was a 17/5 legit defender on a title team. Huerter was a 15/3 who played bad defense and struggled against better defenses in the playoffs.

The upside with Wiggins is much higher. We just paid 2 seconds to dump 8 mil in salary yesterday, I have zero issue paying 2 seconds to upgrade to a much better player.

[SNPA]

Wiggins guarded PFs for GS championship run and was fine.

The team clearly is less concerned with height and more about going athletic with good POA defenders to help Sabonis. On paper this is a much more athletic team.
Fox/Monk
Keon/Carter
Wiggins/Barnes
Keegan/Lyles
Sabonis/

Obviously a PF would be the preference. But who is really out there that's much of a difference? Realistically speaking does getting Cam Johnson, Kuzma, Ingram help our defense more than an engaged Wiggins? If we are dead set on a PF then we need to look at Isiah Stewart or John Collins, and yes our rebounding would be better, but our defense wouldn't be.

Denver - Gordon/MPJ
Dallas - PJ/DJJ
OKC - Dort/Williams
LAC - PG13/Kawhi
Suns - KD/Grayson
LA - Rui/Bron

So the teams you don't match up with post trade are still NOP and I guess Wolves but KAT didn't really punish Barnes last year either and Wiggins would only do better. IDK I'm not holding up a deal because the worry of the Pelicans. We just need to do better, and JVal hurt us more than Zion tbh

He adds athleticism for sure. But even if bringing him on was considered (I’d like him in a bench role) this deal structure is all wrong. Why is Sac paying two seconds to dump Duarte on Detroit? GS is the one in tax hell trying to get off large under performing contracts. Cut out Detroit. Huerter/Duarte for Wiggins. Duarte is an expiring and Huerter is a year less than Wiggins.

1. Wiggins is a much more in demand position
2. Both had down years. In an up year Wiggins was a 17/5 legit defender on a title team. Huerter was a 15/3 who played bad defense and struggled against better defenses in the playoffs.

The upside with Wiggins is much higher. We just paid 2 seconds to dump 8 mil in salary yesterday, I have zero issue paying 2 seconds to upgrade to a much better player.

Wiggins puts the Kings in the tax. I don’t see why Sac should pay seconds and the tax to take Wiggins from GS. If he is in high demand they’ll get better offers.

[JennetteMcCurdy]

What are the SRPs?

I'd imagine 2025 &2026 Kings 2nds

Based on his stats, Duarte better save his money this year….

But for Detroit, we just picked up three seconds for $12m, so if they’re 2025 and 2026 Kings for $6m, seems in line……