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Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:11 am
by babyjax13
DAL trades: Maxi Kleber, Josh Green, Daniel Gafford, 2025 DAL 1st, 2031 DAL 1st
NOP trades: Brandon Ingram
Dallas gets a legitimate third option who is younger than Irving and can be a good second option as he ages. New Orleans gets useful rotation players and picks to help aggregate for help at other positions.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:13 am
by jbk1234
I hate to be that guy, but is Dallas extending him at $50M per?
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:19 am
by babyjax13
jbk1234 wrote:I hate to be that guy, but is Dallas extending him at $50M per?
If they think he can be a long-term second option to Luka - which seems reasonable to me.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:22 am
by BeiBeau
No interest at that price.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:56 am
by ADMVP
No interest with that return. A trade with Dallas can't happen.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:27 am
by JeffFosters
ADMVP wrote:No interest with that return. A trade with Dallas can't happen.
What are you expecting in a return for Ingram? I think the rest of the league is lower on him than NO fans
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:54 am
by BeiBeau
ADMVP wrote:No interest with that return. A trade with Dallas can't happen.
Not trading with Dallas makes since. Never want to make the best team in the conference better.
But 2 rotation pieces, a quality starter at a position of need, and 2 1st is the biggest overpay I’ve seen on this board in a while.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:52 am
by Mavrelous
This is 31 1st too much, and with how DAL will look after this, and the need for cheap depth, I'd also remove the 25 1st.
Trade between the 2 teams is unlikely though, both are division rivals that are supposed to be competing, none of them is in tanking mode.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:55 am
by vxmike
jarryd3107 wrote:ADMVP wrote:No interest with that return. A trade with Dallas can't happen.
What are you expecting in a return for Ingram? I think the rest of the league is lower on him than NO fans
I don’t think anyone sees Ingram anything resembling a max deal to be a positive asset.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:36 pm
by jayjaysee
I would do it with top “6” protection on the 2031 first if there was an extension as part of the trade. Which means Ingram on slightly less than his true max..
If that’s a point where the Pels walk away, that’s probably a good thing for Dallas.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:55 pm
by ADMVP
jarryd3107 wrote:ADMVP wrote:No interest with that return. A trade with Dallas can't happen.
What are you expecting in a return for Ingram? I think the rest of the league is lower on him than NO fans
A center at least, unless this is a trade that could be expanded to include one. Not particularly excited about trying to fit PFs into the center position all season.
This board is low on him but I don't think the rest of the league offices are that low. Most NO fans sound like this board and basically want to give him away.
BeiBeau wrote:ADMVP wrote:No interest with that return. A trade with Dallas can't happen.
Not trading with Dallas makes since. Never want to make the best team in the conference better.
But 2 rotation pieces, a quality starter at a position of need, and 2 1st is the biggest overpay I’ve seen on this board in a while.
I'm not sure how that's an overpay for what Ingram can do and his age. I think it's about on par.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:59 pm
by BeiBeau
ADMVP wrote:jarryd3107 wrote:ADMVP wrote:No interest with that return. A trade with Dallas can't happen.
What are you expecting in a return for Ingram? I think the rest of the league is lower on him than NO fans
A center at least, unless this is a trade that could be expanded to include one. Not particularly excited about trying to fit PFs into the center position all season.
This board is low on him but I don't think the rest of the league offices are that low. Most NO fans sound like this board and basically want to give him away.
BeiBeau wrote:ADMVP wrote:No interest with that return. A trade with Dallas can't happen.
Not trading with Dallas makes since. Never want to make the best team in the conference better.
But 2 rotation pieces, a quality starter at a position of need, and 2 1st is the biggest overpay I’ve seen on this board in a while.
I'm not sure how that's an overpay for what Ingram can do and his age. I think it's about on par.
Daniel Gafford is a center………..
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:07 pm
by ADMVP
BeiBeau wrote:ADMVP wrote:jarryd3107 wrote:
What are you expecting in a return for Ingram? I think the rest of the league is lower on him than NO fans
A center at least, unless this is a trade that could be expanded to include one. Not particularly excited about trying to fit PFs into the center position all season.
This board is low on him but I don't think the rest of the league offices are that low. Most NO fans sound like this board and basically want to give him away.
BeiBeau wrote:
Not trading with Dallas makes since. Never want to make the best team in the conference better.
But 2 rotation pieces, a quality starter at a position of need, and 2 1st is the biggest overpay I’ve seen on this board in a while.
I'm not sure how that's an overpay for what Ingram can do and his age. I think it's about on par.
Daniel Gafford is a center………..
Ahh. Thought he was a 4.
Still don't love the trade and sending BI to Dallas.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:12 pm
by Texas Chuck
I don't understand how one can comment so stringently on a topic and not even have passing familiarity with the best player their team is getting back....
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:21 pm
by R-DAWG
I don't love how Ingram fits on Dallas roster. They already have two guys who need the ball. The ideal 3rd guy is a 3 and D player with positional versatility who can provide a little more than just being a catch and shoot guy on offense.
Jeremi Grant feels like a much better fit for Dallas than Ingram
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:32 pm
by JHFVF07
R-DAWG wrote:I don't love how Ingram fits on Dallas roster. They already have two guys who need the ball. The ideal 3rd guy is a 3 and D player with positional versatility who can provide a little more than just being a catch and shoot guy on offense.
Jeremi Grant feels like a much better fit for Dallas than Ingram
I think the idea is have another player capable of create some offense. Ingram would've be useful against Boston.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:38 pm
by BeiBeau
ADMVP wrote:BeiBeau wrote:ADMVP wrote:A center at least, unless this is a trade that could be expanded to include one. Not particularly excited about trying to fit PFs into the center position all season.
This board is low on him but I don't think the rest of the league offices are that low. Most NO fans sound like this board and basically want to give him away.
I'm not sure how that's an overpay for what Ingram can do and his age. I think it's about on par.
Daniel Gafford is a center………..
Ahh. Thought he was a 4.
Still don't love the trade and sending BI to Dallas.
What rock are you living under? I’m not sure Daniel Gafford has played a single minute of his career at the 4, in sure he has at some point, but I would bet my house that of the 6825 minutes he has played NBA basketball it’s less than 48 minutes. Which leads to the larger question of how can you have such a strong opinion of the trade of you don’t even understand the best player your team is getting back.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:45 pm
by BeiBeau
JHFVF07 wrote:R-DAWG wrote:I don't love how Ingram fits on Dallas roster. They already have two guys who need the ball. The ideal 3rd guy is a 3 and D player with positional versatility who can provide a little more than just being a catch and shoot guy on offense.
Jeremi Grant feels like a much better fit for Dallas than Ingram
I think the idea is have another player capable of create some offense. Ingram would've be useful against Boston.
If this is the price for Ingram and assuming that the price for Grant is for sure cheaper than this. I’d much prefer Grant, even though he’s not my current favorite target for the mavs, Grant is much better off ball then Ingram. I’m not sure Ingram is the much of a difference maker on defense over Grant. And I think Grant provides enough individual scoring.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:54 pm
by JHFVF07
BeiBeau wrote:JHFVF07 wrote:R-DAWG wrote:I don't love how Ingram fits on Dallas roster. They already have two guys who need the ball. The ideal 3rd guy is a 3 and D player with positional versatility who can provide a little more than just being a catch and shoot guy on offense.
Jeremi Grant feels like a much better fit for Dallas than Ingram
I think the idea is have another player capable of create some offense. Ingram would've be useful against Boston.
If this is the price for Ingram and assuming that the price for Grant is for sure cheaper than this. I’d much prefer Grant, even though he’s not my current favorite target for the mavs, Grant is much better off ball then Ingram. I’m not sure Ingram is the much of a difference maker on defense over Grant. And I think Grant provides enough individual scoring.
Indeed, but Ingram is younger and a better playmaker, you can let him run your offense during some stretches(let Luka and Kyrie rest). But I understand your logic.
Re: Ingram to Dallas
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:17 pm
by BeiBeau
JHFVF07 wrote:BeiBeau wrote:JHFVF07 wrote:
I think the idea is have another player capable of create some offense. Ingram would've be useful against Boston.
If this is the price for Ingram and assuming that the price for Grant is for sure cheaper than this. I’d much prefer Grant, even though he’s not my current favorite target for the mavs, Grant is much better off ball then Ingram. I’m not sure Ingram is the much of a difference maker on defense over Grant. And I think Grant provides enough individual scoring.
Indeed, but Ingram is younger and a better playmaker, you can let him run your offense during some stretches(let Luka and Kyrie rest). But I understand your logic.
I don’t believe Ingram makes Dallas better than the Celtics because he’s not a particularly good off all shooter. In a vacuum yes Ingram is better than Grant or Wiggins, but I think the fit is far worse. And at this price Dallas loses all its depth with no meaningful way to replace it.
Not to mention that Ingram does not have 3 1st (+?) value.