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ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp, ORL 25 frp (top 5 protected), 2 srps
POR sends: Anfernee Simons, Robert Williams

*Note: ORL absorbs $19.2m in 24-25 salary in this trade

for ORL: Get the high-scoring Lead Guard to pair next to Suggs in the starting lineup. Spread the floor for Paolo & Franz to work inside while also showcasing ( ) emerging PG skills on a limited basis/need. ORL can cover (and maybe even inspire) defensive lapses that limit Simons' value. Williams is, essentially, salary filler, depending on health and availability. He's beyond redundant now for POR with Clingan, so no real loss to them. IF he is able to play, even in limited minutes (like Isaac has), Time Lord makes ORL's stout defense even scarier...ORL has the cap space window prior to their Big 3 rookie extensions kick in - this is their chance to take a leap.

for POR: Simons just needs to go so POR can commit to their future vision of Scoot and Sharpe as the starting backcourt. Simons makes too much and is too valuable to be third guard/6th man on a rebuilding team. Now that Brogdon is gone, Cole Anthony makes a more appropriate player for that role - at half the price and probably 75% of the capability of Simons- in that 6th man role. He's only 24, but Anthony is a great personality and teammate for the young core of POR. Two frps in the upcoming draft provide immediate potential for POR to accumulate assets quickly and is as good as they can expect to get for Simons before he simply opts out in a couple of years as a FA, well before POR is peaking. Jett Howard is a significant asset as a recent lottery pick and sharpshooter to complement POR's other young players - who aren't great floor spreaders. IF Williams has neutral to positive value, this is a more than fair deal...if POR sees him as a potentially endless rehab project and an overpaid redundant salary slot...it's a very favorable return. Williams is also a UFA in 2026 and may not even play before that - and, if he does, he's got two younger, bigger, more promising bigs directly in front of him on this roster.

Yeah, I’m onboard with the general structure of this. My only request would be to clarify that if the Orlando pick doesn’t convey it carries over to a future year. I think the Magic are probably a playoff team, but they could be a play-in team where anything can happen, and with the flattened lottery, they can jump up without being a horrible team, and I don’t want Portland left high and dry.

I really don't think Orlando wants Simons at all. Isn't he rated like last as far as defense? I think we will go for someone not quite as good a shooter but much better on D.

Works for POR.

A BETTER DJ wrote:I really don't think Orlando wants Simons at all. Isn't he rated like last as far as defense? I think we will go for someone not quite as good a shooter but much better on D.

i think this gets overblown some. Portland has had a reputation for awhile now of not great defense. People said the same thing about CJ McCollum and Lillard, but CJ is doing fine with the Pelicans. Is he a defensive stopper? no. But with the defensive mindset and scheming in Orlando, I believe Mosely can turn him into a passable team defender, which playing next to Suggs is all that would be needed. If Orlando goes for someone like KCP, all we are getting is an older version of Suggs with less ball handling.

tiderulz wrote:

A BETTER DJ wrote:I really don't think Orlando wants Simons at all. Isn't he rated like last as far as defense? I think we will go for someone not quite as good a shooter but much better on D.

i think this gets overblown some. Portland has had a reputation for awhile now of not great defense. People said the same thing about CJ McCollum and Lillard, but CJ is doing fine with the Pelicans. Is he a defensive stopper? no. But with the defensive mindset and scheming in Orlando, I believe Mosely can turn him into a passable team defender, which playing next to Suggs is all that would be needed. If Orlando goes for someone like KCP, all we are getting is an older version of Suggs with less ball handling.

Agreed and at some point we need to seriously upgrade our offense or we'll have a ceiling on our success no matter how good our defense is.

A BETTER DJ wrote:I really don't think Orlando wants Simons at all. Isn't he rated like last as far as defense? I think we will go for someone not quite as good a shooter but much better on D.

Any stat should be taken with a grain a salt, but it's a wonder how Ant is consistently at the bottom of the league in advanced defensive stats like d-epm, he's shown no improvement in his 6 years. I'm sure Magic can do better than Simons.

still to much do not understand williams at all both these players flat out miss games...i can understand simons but cap space and a first maybe a 2nd or 2 is limit ..or just pass he is not player that should over bid on...i mean come on look what deni only took he is 2x the player 2x longer contract at half the money

switch out anthony for black and i'de take the deal

Myth wrote:Yeah, I’m onboard with the general structure of this. My only request would be to clarify that if the Orlando pick doesn’t convey it carries over to a future year. I think the Magic are probably a playoff team, but they could be a play-in team where anything can happen, and with the flattened lottery, they can jump up without being a horrible team, and I don’t want Portland left high and dry.

Agree with your point but heads up that the odds for the bottom of the lotto aren’t that much better than before. You still have like a 2% chance of getting top picks if you’re the 3-4 best team in the lotto, and less than 1% for the last 2 teams in (who are generally the play in losers). The last lotto reform made it much less good to be terrible but didn’t make it that much better to barely miss the PO.

I don't really have interest in Rob Williams given his availability issues and how WCJ also tends to miss at least 20 games/yr, but I do covet Simons and think he'd fit right into our offense and that we could cover for his defensive liabilities.

I just think if this is the price, might be better off going for CJ McCollum instead as it'd take less assets.

So long as we got the verbiage worked out on the protections to where people are happy on both sides I would have no objections here

Your homies there in Orlando are going to want your head for suggesting Anfernee bring back a positive value package of any kind

HotelVitale wrote:

Myth wrote:Yeah, I’m onboard with the general structure of this. My only request would be to clarify that if the Orlando pick doesn’t convey it carries over to a future year. I think the Magic are probably a playoff team, but they could be a play-in team where anything can happen, and with the flattened lottery, they can jump up without being a horrible team, and I don’t want Portland left high and dry.

Agree with your point but heads up that the odds for the bottom of the lotto aren’t that much better than before. You still have like a 2% chance of getting top picks if you’re the 3-4 best team in the lotto, and less than 1% for the last 2 teams in (who are generally the play in losers). The last lotto reform made it much less good to be terrible but didn’t make it that much better to barely miss the PO.

You got to look at the odds of 1-4, not just the #1 pick given the protections here. Bulls for example were a 39 win team, so not dreadful, and had a 9.4% chance of jumping up to a top 4 pick. 1 Paolo injury could easily make them an even worse team than that.

Looks awful for orlando imo. They are not in a position to hand out picks for roleplayers. And i see williams as a negative, who knows if he ever will play. A lottery prot first seems max to me

Counter offer.

ORL trades: Wendell Carter, Cole Anthony, 2025 Den 1st, 2 srps

POR trades: Robert Williams, Anfernee Simons

Carter can play PF in Portland.

Orlando signs Hartenstein.

Myth wrote:

HotelVitale wrote:

Myth wrote:Yeah, I’m onboard with the general structure of this. My only request would be to clarify that if the Orlando pick doesn’t convey it carries over to a future year. I think the Magic are probably a playoff team, but they could be a play-in team where anything can happen, and with the flattened lottery, they can jump up without being a horrible team, and I don’t want Portland left high and dry.

Agree with your point but heads up that the odds for the bottom of the lotto aren’t that much better than before. You still have like a 2% chance of getting top picks if you’re the 3-4 best team in the lotto, and less than 1% for the last 2 teams in (who are generally the play in losers). The last lotto reform made it much less good to be terrible but didn’t make it that much better to barely miss the PO.

You got to look at the odds of 1-4, not just the #1 pick given the protections here. Bulls for example were a 39 win team, so not dreadful, and had a 9.4% chance of jumping up to a top 4 pick. 1 Paolo injury could easily make them an even worse team than that.

Yeah Bulls are a good example and you’re right, thought the older odds were a little more favorable in that zone. They were really stingy to teams right at the Bulls level; 13+14 then had only slightly worse odds of jumping than now but 11 still had only a 3% chance total. (That more than doubled for the 9th worst team though)

Apz wrote:Looks awful for orlando imo. They are not in a position to hand out picks for roleplayers. And i see williams as a negative, who knows if he ever will play. A lottery prot first seems max to me

‘Roleplayer’ seems like a stretch but even if you want to rock with it, his ‘role’ as a young automatic 20pt scorer is pretty tough to find. And most of them are available and ready to be plucked now.

Also those picks are pretty modest value, Denver figures to be maybe #23 at best this season and Orlando is planning to at least avoid the lotto (esp with Simons on board).

Do you have something else in mind though?

orlando_joe wrote:still to much do not understand williams at all both these players flat out miss games...i can understand simons but cap space and a first maybe a 2nd or 2 is limit ..or just pass he is not player that should over bid on...i mean come on look what deni only took he is 2x the player 2x longer contract at half the money

Deni had 1 year with 3pt over 32%, and just had his highest ppg at just under 15 ppg. Simons had 2 years over 20 ppg and is a very good 3 pt shooter, something Orlando ranks near the bottom at.

MagicMatic wrote:Counter offer.

ORL trades: Wendell Carter, Cole Anthony, 2025 Den 1st, 2 srps

POR trades: Robert Williams, Anfernee Simons

Carter can play PF in Portland.

Orlando signs Hartenstein.

This is acceptable, though I’d still prefer the ORL 1st over WCJ+2 2nds. Maybe take out the 2nds and make it the more favorable 2025 first top 10 or lottery protected (if in the top 10 or lottery, then Blazers get the less favorable of the 2 1sts).

I think Portland's management would ask for Black if they were to consider trading Simons.

Right now, Simons is Portland's best guard by a large margin. Even with the arrival of Deni, Portland
is likely no better than a 35 win team for they would need to see large improvements in both Scoot
and Sharpe to get to 35 wins.

Portland no longer needs WCJ with both Ayton and Donovan on board.

Ultimately Portland will be fine with both Ayton and Simons going into the last two years of their
contract. Replace them with lottery picks in the 2025 and 2026 drafts and build around Donovan,
Scoot and Sharpe. Team instead needs to move Jerami Grant who doesn't fit their developmental
time line and has 4 years left on his deal.