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K3vin Huerter
Chris Duarte

For Andrew Wiggin

Who says no?

Kings get a bit bigger and more defensive on the wing.
Dubs get a Klay replacement to fill the 3 point shooting and to break Wiggins deal up into 2 smaller contracts as they approach the 2nd apron in their team building quest.

Even if Klay walks GS has plenty of wing depth. They need a starting center. Backup PG and PF also some needs (thought the current extra SF's would likely cover the backup PF minutes.

I like a Wiggins for Bruce Brown deal, but I don’t think that’s gonna happen.

GSW needs a POA defender, and a guard who can play the 1 & 2. They don’t need much scoring help, since it’s going to be Steph and Kuminga as options 1 and 2.

I think Kuminga can make an all star leap this year.

PG13 would have been a great add, but now we gotta recalibrate.

Really don’t understand why GS still trying to compete. If Steph was 32 sure. But the guy is 36. Warriors better off rebuilding around moody, Kuminga, GP2 and Podz. Curry should get a big haul. If Gs wants to still compete can’t be with the old core. Trying to move Curry for a younger piece like KAT would make more sense.

If Curry goes Draymond goes. If Retool you keep Wiggins if rebuild he needs to go as well

TGM wrote:Really don’t understand why GS still trying to compete. If Steph was 32 sure. But the guy is 36. Warriors better off rebuilding around moody, Kuminga, GP2 and Podz. Curry should get a big haul. If Gs wants to still compete can’t be with the old core. Trying to move Curry for a younger piece like KAT would make more sense.

If Curry goes Draymond goes. If Retool you keep Wiggins if rebuild he needs to go as well

They'll have all the time in the world to suck and draft near the top of the lottery after Steph retires. They likely won't ever draft a player this good ever again, and even old Steph is better than most players that teams try to build around. Bailing on Steph for a haul of picks would be shades of...

TGM wrote:Really don’t understand why GS still trying to compete. If Steph was 32 sure. But the guy is 36. Warriors better off rebuilding around moody, Kuminga, GP2 and Podz. Curry should get a big haul. If Gs wants to still compete can’t be with the old core. Trying to move Curry for a younger piece like KAT would make more sense.

If Curry goes Draymond goes. If Retool you keep Wiggins if rebuild he needs to go as well

Why would you rebuild around a bench guy like Gary Payton II, who turns 32 this year?

giberish wrote:Even if Klay walks GS has plenty of wing depth. They need a starting center. Backup PG and PF also some needs (thought the current extra SF's would likely cover the backup PF minutes.

Which depth?
They'll likely waive CP3, so they'll end up losing 55MPG of guard play.
They'll have Step and Podz as reliable guards, and they need to address the starting center also.

I think Wiggins for Barnes/Huerter makes sense .

Steph/GPII
Huerter/Podz
Kuminga/Moody
Draymond/Barnes
???/TJD

I'd target Tyus Jones (using GPII contract for S&T) and a center with the MLE

I think Klay will go to the LAKERS...to Russell+JV..

Mavrelous wrote:

giberish wrote:Even if Klay walks GS has plenty of wing depth. They need a starting center. Backup PG and PF also some needs (thought the current extra SF's would likely cover the backup PF minutes.

Which depth?
They'll likely waive CP3, so they'll end up losing 55MPG of guard play.
They'll have Step and Podz as reliable guards, and they need to address the starting center also.

With Paul and Klay off the roster the rotation looks like:

Curry/
Podz/Moody/Payton
Wiggins/Kunminga
Draymond
???/TDJ/Looney

That's still 5 guys for SG and SF minutes (wing depth). It's the non-wing positions that need help. (Moody and Payton can go between SG and SF if Wiggins is moved for help elsewhere. Payton isn't a PG at all).

giberish wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:

giberish wrote:Even if Klay walks GS has plenty of wing depth. They need a starting center. Backup PG and PF also some needs (thought the current extra SF's would likely cover the backup PF minutes.

Which depth?
They'll likely waive CP3, so they'll end up losing 55MPG of guard play.
They'll have Step and Podz as reliable guards, and they need to address the starting center also.

With Paul and Klay off the roster the rotation looks like:

Curry/
Podz/Moody/Payton
Wiggins/Kunminga
Draymond
???/TDJ/Looney

That's still 5 guys for SG and SF minutes (wing depth). It's the non-wing positions that need help. (Moody and Payton can go between SG and SF if Wiggins is moved for help elsewhere. Payton isn't a PG at all).

I count 3 guards, one of them is GPII who is offensively challenged and misses a lot of games.
they need at least 3 guards.
There is a single reliable ball handler (Curry), and a single reliable perimeter scorer (Curry), this is not an NBA level rotation, let alone PO team.

Mavrelous wrote:

giberish wrote:Even if Klay walks GS has plenty of wing depth. They need a starting center. Backup PG and PF also some needs (thought the current extra SF's would likely cover the backup PF minutes.

Which depth?
They'll likely waive CP3, so they'll end up losing 55MPG of guard play.
They'll have Step and Podz as reliable guards, and they need to address the starting center also.

I think Wiggins for Barnes/Huerter makes sense .

Steph/GPII
Huerter/Podz
Kuminga/Moody
Draymond/Barnes
???/TJD

I'd target Tyus Jones (using GPII contract for S&T) and a center with the MLE

I like that a lot. Harrison Barnes returning to the warriors also seems poetic.

They would have the full MLE to play around with. They badly need a POA defender though, and GP can’t stay on the court.


+ Sign KCP for the full MLE
+ Offer Delon Wright the min with a 1+1 PO
+ Sign a 20 MPG big (Drummond/Theis/Wiseman) for the min


Steph/ Podz / GPII
KCP / Huerter / Delon
Kuminga / Moody
Draymond / Barnes
Looney/ TJD / Drummond(?)



This is banking on Kuminga and Podz to take the next steps, which they have shown flashes of. It’s not a championship team, but can be a good second round playoff team.

Dallas’ deal could look like Grimes and Maxi for Klay?

I don’t love that version and doubt it’s the one any of the parties prefer. But technically that still opens the MLE for Dallas, while giving GSW a useful rotation big and a nice wing.

Dallas ends up turning THJ, Maxi, 4 seconds into Klay? Should have the money to pay Klay and DJJ and take back some extra money in a Green+first for big forward trade..

jayjaysee wrote:Dallas’ deal could look like Grimes and Maxi for Klay?

I don’t love that version and doubt it’s the one any of the parties prefer. But technically that still opens the MLE for Dallas, while giving GSW a useful rotation big and a nice wing.

How much can they pay Klay in year 1 in that scenario?

Texas Chuck wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Dallas’ deal could look like Grimes and Maxi for Klay?

I don’t love that version and doubt it’s the one any of the parties prefer. But technically that still opens the MLE for Dallas, while giving GSW a useful rotation big and a nice wing.

How much can they pay Klay in year 1 in that scenario?

It’s too early in morning for real numbers.

But if Dallas needed to dump 10~ million to give DJJ the full MLE. This trade has them dumping 17 mil? But also maybe losing a roster spot, so 15-16 million for Klay? Can wiggle it back up to 18 with a Powell inclusion/dump?

jayjaysee wrote:Dallas’ deal could look like Grimes and Maxi for Klay?

I don’t love that version and doubt it’s the one any of the parties prefer. But technically that still opens the MLE for Dallas, while giving GSW a useful rotation big and a nice wing.

Dallas ends up turning THJ, Maxi, 4 seconds into Klay? Should have the money to pay Klay and DJJ and take back some extra money in a Green+first for big forward trade..

Grimes can't be aggregated. Aside from that, GS will be potentially be looking at getting better pieces. I think they have more leverage than the usual sign and trade partner. Klay wants to maximize his deal. Lakers and Mavericks are both strongly interested, and have only the NTMLE. Both would probably prefer not to use the NTMLE. Orlando is also in the picture and, though they're probably focussed on PG, have enough interesting assets to swing a deal for Klay while maintaining a max space for PG. GS should be able to do better than Maxi plus ??

islandboy53 wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Dallas’ deal could look like Grimes and Maxi for Klay?

I don’t love that version and doubt it’s the one any of the parties prefer. But technically that still opens the MLE for Dallas, while giving GSW a useful rotation big and a nice wing.

Dallas ends up turning THJ, Maxi, 4 seconds into Klay? Should have the money to pay Klay and DJJ and take back some extra money in a Green+first for big forward trade..

Grimes can't be aggregated. Aside from that, GS will be potentially be looking at getting better pieces. I think they have more leverage than the usual sign and trade partner. Klay wants to maximize his deal. Lakers and Mavericks are both strongly interested, and have only the NTMLE. Both would probably prefer not to use the NTMLE. Orlando is also in the picture and, though they're probably focussed on PG, have enough interesting assets to swing a deal for Klay while maintaining a max space for PG. GS should be able to do better than Maxi plus ??

It simply gets built into the Detroit deal. The aggregation isn't an issue.

As to the rest, Stein wouldn't be reporting how he is if there wasn't some sort of framework GSW was open to(or Klay taking the MLE, but I suspect S&T).

Doesn't mean Dallas gets him by any means. But I don't think GSW has any additional leverage here because Klay likely has straight FA options.

islandboy53 wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Dallas’ deal could look like Grimes and Maxi for Klay?

I don’t love that version and doubt it’s the one any of the parties prefer. But technically that still opens the MLE for Dallas, while giving GSW a useful rotation big and a nice wing.

Dallas ends up turning THJ, Maxi, 4 seconds into Klay? Should have the money to pay Klay and DJJ and take back some extra money in a Green+first for big forward trade..

Grimes can't be aggregated. Aside from that, GS will be potentially be looking at getting better pieces. I think they have more leverage than the usual sign and trade partner. Klay wants to maximize his deal. Lakers and Mavericks are both strongly interested, and have only the NTMLE. Both would probably prefer not to use the NTMLE. Orlando is also in the picture and, though they're probably focussed on PG, have enough interesting assets to swing a deal for Klay while maintaining a max space for PG. GS should be able to do better than Maxi plus ??

No trade has to be finalized yet? So it would just be built in.

And I’m guessing Dallas/Detroit can’t be finalized until the “start of next season” to use Detroit’s 2024 cap space? Maybe I’m off, but don’t think Detroit had a way to legally do the trade until the cap space opens up.

Maxi would play 20-25mpg for GS and be a great fit. And Grimes would have a chance to play more minutes than that if he can outplay Moody. Which seems a 50/50 bet at worst? So it’s not a bad deal for GSW IMO, not sure what else goes into it but could be expanded.

But yeah, other teams can offer more money and value than Dallas. Theres only a few teams with less tradeable assets in the league than Dallas.

Texas Chuck wrote:

islandboy53 wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Dallas’ deal could look like Grimes and Maxi for Klay?

I don’t love that version and doubt it’s the one any of the parties prefer. But technically that still opens the MLE for Dallas, while giving GSW a useful rotation big and a nice wing.

Dallas ends up turning THJ, Maxi, 4 seconds into Klay? Should have the money to pay Klay and DJJ and take back some extra money in a Green+first for big forward trade..

Grimes can't be aggregated. Aside from that, GS will be potentially be looking at getting better pieces. I think they have more leverage than the usual sign and trade partner. Klay wants to maximize his deal. Lakers and Mavericks are both strongly interested, and have only the NTMLE. Both would probably prefer not to use the NTMLE. Orlando is also in the picture and, though they're probably focussed on PG, have enough interesting assets to swing a deal for Klay while maintaining a max space for PG. GS should be able to do better than Maxi plus ??

It simply gets built into the Detroit deal. The aggregation isn't an issue.

As to the rest, Stein wouldn't be reporting how he is if there wasn't some sort of framework GSW was open to(or Klay taking the MLE, but I suspect S&T).

Doesn't mean Dallas gets him by any means. But I don't think GSW has any additional leverage here because Klay likely has straight FA options.

Thanks. I forgot that the Dallas - Detroit deal wasn't finalized. Orlando and Philly will be the options that Klay will be using to generate the best $, but I think LAL and Dallas will be highly motivated to land him if they can. I'm sure there's mutual interest with either of LAL or Dallas, and that will factor in as well, obviously. I think we can agree that Klay will get more than the NTMLE, and both Dallas and LAL have an interest in preserving that MLE space. This seems to give GS substantially more leverage in getting a solid return than your average sign and trade situation.

Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:K3vin Huerter
Chris Duarte

For Andrew Wiggin

Who says no?

Kings get a bit bigger and more defensive on the wing.
Dubs get a Klay replacement to fill the 3 point shooting and to break Wiggins deal up into 2 smaller contracts as they approach the 2nd apron in their team building quest.

I really like both of those pieces for GSW, but the things they need on the roster would then include 3-D wings in addition to rim protection.

I know that Warriors fans never agree with me, but they need a big boy at C.

All in all, I like OP deal. Everywhere K3vin goes, his teams improve, so that's a thing.

I would really love the fit of Grimes in GS, but if Detroit is selling him at pennies on the dollar something is wrong. You don't trade away a cheap, relatively young, 3-D piece like that unless there is something else going on.
Also on the Grimes point - I was thinking - JJ Redick was basically his shooting coach last summer preparing him basically to have the role that DDV embraced. He has always spoken glowingly about Grimes. For Grimes to be on the trade market and the Lakers having done NOTHING to get him tells me there is something behind the curtain.