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Beef Stew for Barnes/2027 1st*

*small chance it could be 2028

Detroit gets a first and quality vet for the locker room who can shoot.

Kings get the 4/5 they need.

Key question here - what would be the protections on the first?

Not interested in burning an asset for someone who’s the caliber of Stewart. Would rather make a roster balancing move that doesn’t cost us 1sts and go into the 2025 off-season with all of our future 1sts freed up (since it’s likely that our 2025 1st will convey to ATL since it’s only Top 12 protected this year).

That gives us another year to determine if Murray has what it takes to become a star/go-to scorer or if he’s going to top out as a 3&D player and it gives us another year to see what Ellis and Carter can become. With that extra intel and those picks/assets freed up, McNair will be in a great position to not only make a big move…but make the right move.

We’re not selling Stew for a pick of unknown quality unless the upside is really high… and even then, I doubt it. He’s core here, deserving or not.

I don’t understand the trade. I’m ok w Barnes as a role player, but… How much value does Barnes have with his contract? If he were a free agent, he wouldn’t get that much. So he’s essentially negative. So what’s the compensation for taking him on?

The second part is Stewart for a future first (with unknown protections). Need more details on the pick, but Stewart is certainly worth a FRP, and not a crappy one. Most likely Pistons pass on this.

theBigLip wrote:I don’t understand the trade. I’m ok w Barnes as a role player, but… How much value does Barnes have with his contract? If he were a free agent, he wouldn’t get that much. So he’s essentially negative. So what’s the compensation for taking him on?

The second part is Stewart for a future first (with unknown protections). Need more details on the pick, but Stewart is certainly worth a FRP, and not a crappy one. Most likely Pistons pass on this.

Top four. Then unprotected.

Sac would be making a real offer.

And given where contracts values are at and heading Barnes is not negative value. He is included for salary but also because he can spread the floor from the PF spot, which I thought would help Detroit. There’s also value in having Barnes around for kids to see how a pro does it.

Beef Stew means more to a team trying to compete than one rebuilding.

theBigLip wrote:I don’t understand the trade. I’m ok w Barnes as a role player, but… How much value does Barnes have with his contract? If he were a free agent, he wouldn’t get that much. So he’s essentially negative. So what’s the compensation for taking him on?

The second part is Stewart for a future first (with unknown protections). Need more details on the pick, but Stewart is certainly worth a FRP, and not a crappy one. Most likely Pistons pass on this.

He's a a couple million above the MLE. That sounds about right for a starting caliber player/ 6th man type.

SNPA wrote:

theBigLip wrote:I don’t understand the trade. I’m ok w Barnes as a role player, but… How much value does Barnes have with his contract? If he were a free agent, he wouldn’t get that much. So he’s essentially negative. So what’s the compensation for taking him on?

The second part is Stewart for a future first (with unknown protections). Need more details on the pick, but Stewart is certainly worth a FRP, and not a crappy one. Most likely Pistons pass on this.

Top four. Then unprotected.

Sac would be making a real offer.

And given where contracts values are at and heading Barnes is not negative value. He is included for salary but also because he can spread the floor from the PF spot, which I thought would help Detroit. There’s also value in having Barnes around for kids to see how a pro does it.

Beef Stew means more to a team trying to compete than one rebuilding.

That is a solid point of Barnes helping us out at PF. I’d rather not give up on Stewart though - he seems to keep improving and is happy to be in Detroit.

I don’t love the trade as a Detroit fan but on a side note, with all of our spacing issues having stew at the 5 is going to really help with alleviating some of those spacing concerns so whether the trade is equal value or not is irrelevant, any team wanting Stewart is most likely going to need to overpay for him since losing him makes our bad spacing even worse which will further inhibit the development of our young players

I get Detroit fan views. As a Kings fan I’ve been there.

From a purely cold perspective, isn’t Beef a player you focus on and value highly after you have a core -he fits with- and are trying to compete? For a rebuilding team looking at the lottery again this year, likely the following year too, isn’t a lightly protected Kings first a better rebuilding asset? The first can’t get injured, or have a bad season and teams can project whatever type of player onto it they’d like.

More rebuilding value, Beef on a two year deal -when the pick is conveyed- or the pick? And maybe trading him loses a couple more games a year…great. That can be the difference between Tyreke Evans and James Harden.

With rumors of the Kings having interest in BI.

I could see NO's wanting Kings to turn Barnes into Stewart, cap space.

Kings fans what do you think a package for BI would look like ?

Whole Truth wrote:With rumors of the Kings having interest in BI.

I could see NO's wanting Kings to turn Barnes into Stewart, cap space.

Kings fans what do you think a package for BI would look like ?

I don't know exactly but I do believe N.O is in a position where they have certain pressures to move on from Ingram. I wouldn't go to crazy outside of Barnes/Huerter and ONE pick. Ingram isn't an iron man either.

I’d do the deal as originally posted. Could be an unpopular take on my part but whatever.

Can I interest you in one of the teams many non-shooters instead?

I would do this deal in a second, if you landed on Duren and someone else.

I probably would too. Barnes would give better spacing than Stew and that first would help us start building up some assets. Stew's only going to to so much for us as a backup 5.

I don't think teams should give up 2027 picks for backup centers. Even if it's protected, it still adds unnecessary hurdles to jump through if there's a trade to be made for an actual difference maker.

If SAC makes some other moves though, maybe Barnes into DET's cap space could make sense. Particularly if the move is Brandon Ingram, because NO would still have a lot of forwards. Maybe as part of an Ingram to SAC deal you could send Barnes and a bunch of 2nds to DET and they reroute THJ to NO. They need a SG more than a F if they trade BI and would prefer the expiring. DET gets more 2nds for the second year, and they need a F more than a guard.

Sounds like Barnes and a first may be going to NO for Ingram, but they want to cut in another team to send extra assets (like a center) to NO. Stew for Huerter and that first? Stew goes to NO, along with Barnes and a first from the Kings, Ingram goes to Kings?

Kalamazoo317 wrote:Sounds like Barnes and a first may be going to NO for Ingram, but they want to cut in another team to send extra assets (like a center) to NO. Stew for Huerter and that first? Stew goes to NO, along with Barnes and a first from the Kings, Ingram goes to Kings?

Deal.

Kalamazoo317 wrote:Sounds like Barnes and a first may be going to NO for Ingram, but they want to cut in another team to send extra assets (like a center) to NO. Stew for Huerter and that first? Stew goes to NO, along with Barnes and a first from the Kings, Ingram goes to Kings?

Barnes, Huerter, FRP or 2 for BI

Barnes, FRP flipped for Stewart, cap space

NO's trade - (BI) for (Stewart, Huerter, cap space, FRP)

I'd sooner extend BI & trade CJ, pick for Stewart, cap space.

Then Sac isn’t in the deal anymore.

Nowhere for CJ to go with either of these teams.