PG13 decides Sixers, Clippers go Lavine w/ LAL/WAS

[Mavrelous]

LAL send: DLo, LAL 25 2nd, LAC 25 2nd, LAL 2030 2nd
LAL Receive: TPE

Dump D'Lo, free the MLE and BAE, open S&T possibility...

Sixers Receive: PG13 in S&T, LAL 25 2nd
Sixers Send: TPE

Hardcap themselves at 1st Apron is the only downside, get a 2nd for their trouble.

Clippers Send: Powell, PJT, PG 13 S&T
Clippers Receive: Lavine, Kispert, Craig

Get on ball creation and get a younger, reset 2nd Apron count, I believe this team fits below the 1st Apron even if Harden contract is reasonable (100/3)...

Harden/Westbrook/Hyland
Lavine/Coffey/Eric Gordon?
Mann/Kispert
Kawhi/Craig/Brown
Zubac/Plumlee/Kai Jones

Bulls Send: Lavine, POR 1st
Bulls Receive: DLo, Powell, LAC 25 2nd, LAL 2030 2nd

Dump Lavine, replace POR 1st, with 2 2nds.

Wizards Send: Kispert
Wizards Receive: PJT/POR 1st

Trade Kispert before becoming RFA for a protected 1st.

[Karmaloop]

Lakers aren't giving up picks to dump D'Angelo when LeBron reportedly is willing to take a haircut to use the full MLE.

EDIT: Also, no reason for Philadelphia to be interested in this deal unless they're getting real value out of it.

[jayjaysee]

The Lakers are the biggest question to me. I don’t know if they really want DLO gone or just need to upgrade him. I think it might be more important to keep him for the bigger trade as they don’t have a lot of depth/matching options without him?

For Philly.. this triggers a first apron hard cap. The trio combine for 135ish mil. Can Philly actually spend 45 million to make the first apron hard cap matter? I don’t think so but if Morey figured out a way to, then I think there just will be no S&T offered for the Clips.

[Mavrelous]

Lakers aren't giving up picks to dump D'Angelo when LeBron reportedly is willing to take a haircut to use the full MLE.

I'm not buying it, it's just PR...

[Texas Chuck]

Lakers aren't giving up picks to dump D'Angelo when LeBron reportedly is willing to take a haircut to use the full MLE.

He's possibly willing to do so for the right player. That might be Klay Thompson or bust. Now I agree they shouldn't just dump Russell until they have everything else lined up. But I wouldn't count on cheap Lebron just yet.

[Karmaloop]

He's possibly willing to do so for the right player. That might be Klay Thompson or bust. Now I agree they shouldn't just dump Russell until they have everything else lined up. But I wouldn't count on cheap Lebron just yet.

Even IF LeBron weren't willing to take a discount, you couldn't possibly argue that the TPE is more valuable than D'Angelo Russell and those SRPs.

[jayjaysee]

But if Philly does the sign and trade.. If LAC can stay under the second apron, they could just take LaVine back. Probably involves dumping Powell like OP has. Don’t think the DLO part is necessary.

Chicago can be happy with Coby, Giddey, and Ayo IMO?

Or maybe it’s just a Demar sign and trade to the Clips? Should cost less than LaVine and is better, despite older

[youngcrev]

I've been playing around with the numbers for the Sixers, and I think a scenario that hard caps them at the first apron is just too small a tightrope to walk.

Embiid/Maxey/George is at $136M. Factor in McCain, remaining cap space (13.2M) and the room exception (8m) and you are at 161.2M with just 6 players.

There's just no way they do that for a 2nd round pick.

[hugepatsfan]

Normally the hard cap might not be an issue for a team using cap space for a max FA. Generally you renounce most/all your bird rights to open up that max slot and you’re pretty “done” after that.

PHI is unique though where they’re counting Maxey at cap hold and then maxing him out. That’s a huge leap. So my guess is that if they do land PG, there won’t be any S&T like other teams have done. The hard cap would actually be relevant to them.

[Mavrelous]

PHI can not really go over the 1st Apron, the limitation applied by the trade isn't real, there was a possibility (I wrote about) if Maxey made all NBA and was super max eligible, but he didn't.
PHI can't sign player for more than the 170M (Cap limit (141) - Maxey caphold (~13) + Maxey max (35.5) + room exceptions (~8)), they can trade later for more salary, but trading for more salary already hardcaps at 1st Apron.

[ChettheJet]

OK I'll walk you though why the Bulls say, sorry NO

They just got Josh Giiddey, the have Coby White, 2nd in most improved player last year plus a resigned Ayo Dosunmu. You are trading away Lavine who was their starting SG but they slide White there and Giddey as PG

They give up one guard and get TWO back. Not good. Norman Powell is signed for 2 year for more than anybody the Bulls have. Russell might be expiring but he makes just as much as Powell. The Bulls don;t want to take their brand new PG GIddey off the floor, they also don't want to slow the progress of White and Dosunmu so why would they sit any of those three by getting 2 far more expensive veterans? And the word is Lonzo Ball may well be ready for training camp. Add to the dull brilliance , they still have Jevon Carter and Dalen Terry under contract.

This is not a smart trade for the Bulls. They have been short on FRPs for 3 years so you give away the chance for one for 2 2nds
That is why you didn't post this

a new PF Phillips Buzelis
Williams Craig
Vucevic
Giddey Powell Dosunmu Ball Carter
White Russell Terry

That's 8 freakin' guards, you need remedial roster construction before posting again

[Mavrelous]

This is not a smart trade for the Bulls. They have been short on FRPs for 3 years so you give away the chance for one for 2 2nds
That is why you didn't post this

I did post this

replace POR 1st, with 2 2nds.

POR 1st turns into 1 2nd, there is a realistic scenario, the 2 2nds are better than the 1st.

Bulls roster absolutely isn't balanced after this, but I have them dumping 135/3 contract and rebuilding as more important.

[Scoot McGroot]

Clippers would end up hard capped at the second apron with only about $43m to spend on Harden and 2 more required roster spots.

Will Harden take less than max to stay? How much?

[docholliday99]

Clippers would end up hard capped at the second apron with only about $43m to spend on Harden and 2 more required roster spots.

Will Harden take less than max to stay? How much?

Maybe a playoff team can come along and outbid the Clippers and their potential "double of the MLE" offer, and I'm thinking of the Magic. I'm not the biggest fan of Harden's persona but a team that could really use what he brings would be that team. Just spit-balling, but maybe a flat rate around 45 per for 3 years, the percentage would quickly decline against the cap and allow Black time to develop.

If anything, I like it messing with the Clippers and Lakers.

[clippertown]

Clips are retaining PG. They are just seeing if PG actually gets those crazy max offers being thrown out. If he does, Clips offer him the full max and he stays. If not, Clips stand by the $150M they offered. This is all smoke and no fire. Just PG getting attention.

If they can avoid the no-trade clause, PG will be traded in 6 months if he doesn’t live up to the expectations.

[the_process]

LAL send: DLo, LAL 25 2nd, LAC 25 2nd, LAL 2030 2nd
LAL Receive: TPE

Dump D'Lo, free the MLE and BAE, open S&T possibility...

Sixers Receive: PG13 in S&T, LAL 25 2nd
Sixers Send: TPE

Hardcap themselves at 1st Apron is the only downside, get a 2nd for their trouble.

Clippers Send: Powell, PJT, PG 13 S&T
Clippers Receive: Lavine, Kispert, Craig

Get on ball creation and get a younger, reset 2nd Apron count, I believe this team fits below the 1st Apron even if Harden contract is reasonable (100/3)...

Harden/Westbrook/Hyland
Lavine/Coffey/Eric Gordon?
Mann/Kispert
Kawhi/Craig/Brown
Zubac/Plumlee/Kai Jones

Bulls Send: Lavine, POR 1st
Bulls Receive: DLo, Powell, LAC 25 2nd, LAL 2030 2nd

Dump Lavine, replace POR 1st, with 2 2nds.

Wizards Send: Kispert
Wizards Receive: PJT/POR 1st

Trade Kispert before becoming RFA for a protected 1st.

Sixers could be over the 1st apron when it's all said and done. So can't hard cap themselves there.