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Supposedly something like this was proposed

Orlando out: Wendell Carter Jr.
Orlando in: Kevin Huerter, 1 second

New Orleans out: Brandon Ingram, 1 second
New Orleans in: WC Jr., Harrison Barnes, Sac 1st

Sac Out: Kevin Huerter, Harrison Barnes, Sac 1st
Sac in: Brandon Ingram.

Why Orlando: trade WCJr for outside shooting.
New Orleans: trades Ingram for a reliable shooting back up 3/4 in Barnes and a 1st
Why Sac: trade Barnes and Huerter for the longer Ingram.

dont think orlando have any interest in huerter after signing KCP and bringing back harris

Sactowndog wrote:Supposedly something like this was proposed

Orlando out: Wendell Carter Jr.
Orlando in: Kevin Huerter, 1 second

New Orleans out: Brandon Ingram, 1 second
New Orleans in: WC Jr., Harrison Barnes, Sac 1st

Sac Out: Kevin Huerter, Harrison Barnes, Sac 1st
Sac in: Brandon Ingram.

Why Orlando: trade WCJr for outside shooting.
New Orleans: trades Ingram for a reliable shooting back up 3/4 in Barnes and a 1st
Why Sac: trade Barnes and Huerter for the longer Ingram.

If BI goes to Sac it’s likely a structure similar to this, with a third team sending a Center. That said, I don’t see the value for Orlando in this version.

Yea this framework makes a lot of sense, especially with ORL resigning all their bigs. A few notes:

1. I think SAC gives up 2 firsts to turn Barnes/Huerter into Ingram. Or at least one 1st and a swap.

2. If Magic don't want Huerter with KCP, G. Harris, and Jett in that role, could they have interest in Barnes instead? Seems like a good vet backup forward option where they really only have the rookie TDS. Then Huerter to NOP (who they can keep or try to fill for another C- Stewart, Capela, Portis).

3. Pels only have like 2 distant future 2nds, and now they're swap options for ORL (Reeves trade). So it's unlikely Pels trade 2nds. SAC should be giving that second, or maybe even one protected SAC 1st to ORL, with multiple 2nds to NOP.

Yeah the placement of Huerter and Barnes isn’t a big deal though I think with the signings it has to go 1 and 1. Given it’s only a year, the injury history and comments about BI’s value in terms of games played and desired contract 2 firsts felt like too much. I could see Sac giving the seconds however.

I would rather keep BI than get that package. At least I get to contend this season. WCJ is injury prone while Barnes who is still serviceable just won't cut it especially having trey and Herb already.

WJC and Barnes probably balances the Pels enough but yea, I hope they do better than this.

With the signing of KCP and Gary Harris back, Huerter no longer makes sense for Orlando. think they save WCJ for some other move

tiderulz wrote:With the signing of KCP and Gary Harris back, Huerter no longer makes sense for Orlando. think they save WCJ for some other move

This is the key point I don't think Orlando would be looking to bring in another guard unless we send out someone already in our full backcourt.

ORL could still use another guard, but it needs to be a creator...not another spot up guy...and certainly not WCJ for Huerter

Sactowndog wrote:Supposedly something like this was proposed

Orlando out: Wendell Carter Jr.
Orlando in: Kevin Huerter, 1 second

New Orleans out: Brandon Ingram, 1 second
New Orleans in: WC Jr., Harrison Barnes, Sac 1st

Sac Out: Kevin Huerter, Harrison Barnes, Sac 1st
Sac in: Brandon Ingram.

Why Orlando: trade WCJr for outside shooting.
New Orleans: trades Ingram for a reliable shooting back up 3/4 in Barnes and a 1st
Why Sac: trade Barnes and Huerter for the longer Ingram.

We're good on 2 guards/Small forwards at this point IMO. If we move WCJ it'd be for a pg or as part of a package to upgrade at starting C.

The Pelicans should offer CJ for WCJ and Anthony.

Magic depth chart right now looks to be:

Suggs / Anthony / Black
KCP / Harris
Wagner / Da Silva / Houstan
Banchero / Isaac / Howard
WCJ / Wagner / Goga

I don't see this deal for them. They have a lot of Cs. A lot of Fs. A lot of SGs. Not a lot of PGs as Suggs is more of a SG, Anthony is a bench scoring guard was real PG type and Black is unproven. Swapping their surplus at C just to reallocate it to a surplus at SG doesn't make sense really. Especially since I'd argue that Wagner/Goga is a relatively weak starter/backup duo at center. Wagner is a good backup and Gog ais great 3rd string but bump them up to 1st/2nd on the depth chart and they go from strong to "meh" at best.

Would the Jazz want to move Sexton for Huerter as a framework? I could see Sexton being more appealing to ORL. Utah has George and Collier as young PGs so maybe they want to develop those guys there? IDK though, that still feels like forcing it.

hugepatsfan wrote:Magic depth chart right now looks to be:

Suggs / Anthony / Black
KCP / Harris
Wagner / Da Silva / Houstan
Banchero / Isaac / Howard
WCJ / Wagner / Goga

I don't see this deal for them. They have a lot of Cs. A lot of Fs. A lot of SGs. Not a lot of PGs as Suggs is more of a SG, Anthony is a bench scoring guard was real PG type and Black is unproven. Swapping their surplus at C just to reallocate it to a surplus at SG doesn't make sense really. Especially since I'd argue that Wagner/Goga is a relatively weak starter/backup duo at center. Wagner is a good backup and Gog ais great 3rd string but bump them up to 1st/2nd on the depth chart and they go from strong to "meh" at best.

Would the Jazz want to move Sexton for Huerter as a framework? I could see Sexton being more appealing to ORL. Utah has George and Collier as young PGs so maybe they want to develop those guys there? IDK though, that still feels like forcing it.

If they want a point the Kings could send Carter instead of Huerter but then I think the picks have to be reconfigured.

Magicman125 wrote:

Sactowndog wrote:Supposedly something like this was proposed

Orlando out: Wendell Carter Jr.
Orlando in: Kevin Huerter, 1 second

New Orleans out: Brandon Ingram, 1 second
New Orleans in: WC Jr., Harrison Barnes, Sac 1st

Sac Out: Kevin Huerter, Harrison Barnes, Sac 1st
Sac in: Brandon Ingram.

Why Orlando: trade WCJr for outside shooting.
New Orleans: trades Ingram for a reliable shooting back up 3/4 in Barnes and a 1st
Why Sac: trade Barnes and Huerter for the longer Ingram.

We're good on 2 guards/Small forwards at this point IMO. If we move WCJ it'd be for a pg or as part of a package to upgrade at starting C.

If you want a point guard we can talk about Devin Carter but then the picks have to change.

hugepatsfan wrote:Magic depth chart right now looks to be:

Suggs / Anthony / Black
KCP / Harris
Wagner / Da Silva / Houstan
Banchero / Isaac / Howard
WCJ / Wagner / Goga

I don't see this deal for them. They have a lot of Cs. A lot of Fs. A lot of SGs. Not a lot of PGs as Suggs is more of a SG, Anthony is a bench scoring guard was real PG type and Black is unproven. Swapping their surplus at C just to reallocate it to a surplus at SG doesn't make sense really. Especially since I'd argue that Wagner/Goga is a relatively weak starter/backup duo at center. Wagner is a good backup and Gog ais great 3rd string but bump them up to 1st/2nd on the depth chart and they go from strong to "meh" at best.

Would the Jazz want to move Sexton for Huerter as a framework? I could see Sexton being more appealing to ORL. Utah has George and Collier as young PGs so maybe they want to develop those guys there? IDK though, that still feels like forcing it.

Agreed this deal makes no sense for Orlando. We are weakening our starting lineup to add a pricey back wing. We have KCP who will get 30 plus minutes a night. Why pay Huerter that money to play less than 10 mins a night.

The biggest issue would be forcing to find a replacement for WCJ. Where can the Magic find that without giving up significant assets?

Sactowndog wrote:

hugepatsfan wrote:Magic depth chart right now looks to be:

Suggs / Anthony / Black
KCP / Harris
Wagner / Da Silva / Houstan
Banchero / Isaac / Howard
WCJ / Wagner / Goga

I don't see this deal for them. They have a lot of Cs. A lot of Fs. A lot of SGs. Not a lot of PGs as Suggs is more of a SG, Anthony is a bench scoring guard was real PG type and Black is unproven. Swapping their surplus at C just to reallocate it to a surplus at SG doesn't make sense really. Especially since I'd argue that Wagner/Goga is a relatively weak starter/backup duo at center. Wagner is a good backup and Gog ais great 3rd string but bump them up to 1st/2nd on the depth chart and they go from strong to "meh" at best.

Would the Jazz want to move Sexton for Huerter as a framework? I could see Sexton being more appealing to ORL. Utah has George and Collier as young PGs so maybe they want to develop those guys there? IDK though, that still feels like forcing it.

If they want a point the Kings could send Carter instead of Huerter but then I think the picks have to be reconfigured.

IDK what the plan is for the Magic FO now that they have Goga, Mo and WCJ. I am not convinced they're looking to move WCJ, but assuming they are, I like both Sexton or Devin Carter.

I really havent followed the draft much, but i am intrigued by Devin Carter. Carter for Carter? I think WCJ could be a nice fit next to Sabonis if they want to go big, but the Kings can send WCJ+picks to the Pelicans if they want Ingram.

I like Sexton more than most, but any trade for Sexton will have to involve Cole Anthony as well. There is just no playing time for both. This would probably need to be a multi-team trade as the JAzz dont need WCJ.

Residual-Heat wrote:

Sactowndog wrote:

hugepatsfan wrote:Magic depth chart right now looks to be:

Suggs / Anthony / Black
KCP / Harris
Wagner / Da Silva / Houstan
Banchero / Isaac / Howard
WCJ / Wagner / Goga

I don't see this deal for them. They have a lot of Cs. A lot of Fs. A lot of SGs. Not a lot of PGs as Suggs is more of a SG, Anthony is a bench scoring guard was real PG type and Black is unproven. Swapping their surplus at C just to reallocate it to a surplus at SG doesn't make sense really. Especially since I'd argue that Wagner/Goga is a relatively weak starter/backup duo at center. Wagner is a good backup and Gog ais great 3rd string but bump them up to 1st/2nd on the depth chart and they go from strong to "meh" at best.

Would the Jazz want to move Sexton for Huerter as a framework? I could see Sexton being more appealing to ORL. Utah has George and Collier as young PGs so maybe they want to develop those guys there? IDK though, that still feels like forcing it.

If they want a point the Kings could send Carter instead of Huerter but then I think the picks have to be reconfigured.

IDK what the plan is for the Magic FO now that they have Goga, Mo and WCJ. I am not convinced they're looking to move WCJ, but assuming they are, I like both Sexton or Devin Carter.

I really havent followed the draft much, but i am intrigued by Devin Carter. Carter for Carter? I think WCJ could be a nice fit next to Sabonis if they want to go big, but the Kings can send WCJ+picks to the Pelicans if they want Ingram.

I like Sexton more than most, but any trade for Sexton will have to involve Cole Anthony as well. There is just no playing time for both. This would probably need to be a multi-team trade as the JAzz dont need WCJ.

I think they play Isaac at Center also. So it’s really
Isaac, Gogo, Wagner. All three of whom have just resigned with Orlando.

I have Devin Carter > WCJ who doesn’t look to be part of the rotation and had pretty inefficient minutes.

Sactowndog wrote:

Residual-Heat wrote:

Sactowndog wrote:
If they want a point the Kings could send Carter instead of Huerter but then I think the picks have to be reconfigured.

IDK what the plan is for the Magic FO now that they have Goga, Mo and WCJ. I am not convinced they're looking to move WCJ, but assuming they are, I like both Sexton or Devin Carter.

I really havent followed the draft much, but i am intrigued by Devin Carter. Carter for Carter? I think WCJ could be a nice fit next to Sabonis if they want to go big, but the Kings can send WCJ+picks to the Pelicans if they want Ingram.

I like Sexton more than most, but any trade for Sexton will have to involve Cole Anthony as well. There is just no playing time for both. This would probably need to be a multi-team trade as the JAzz dont need WCJ.

I think they play Isaac at Center also. So it’s really
Isaac, Gogo, Wagner. All three of whom have just resigned with Orlando.

I have Devin Carter > WCJ who doesn’t look to be part of the rotation and had pretty inefficient minutes.

WCJ isnt part of the rotation? If he isnt traded, WCJ is most likely the starter. Not sure what you mean by inefficient minutes.

hugepatsfan wrote:Magic depth chart right now looks to be:

Suggs / Anthony / Black
KCP / Harris
Wagner / Da Silva / Houstan
Banchero / Isaac / Howard
WCJ / Wagner / Goga

I don't see this deal for them. They have a lot of Cs. A lot of Fs. A lot of SGs. Not a lot of PGs as Suggs is more of a SG, Anthony is a bench scoring guard was real PG type and Black is unproven. Swapping their surplus at C just to reallocate it to a surplus at SG doesn't make sense really. Especially since I'd argue that Wagner/Goga is a relatively weak starter/backup duo at center. Wagner is a good backup and Gog ais great 3rd string but bump them up to 1st/2nd on the depth chart and they go from strong to "meh" at best.

Would the Jazz want to move Sexton for Huerter as a framework? I could see Sexton being more appealing to ORL. Utah has George and Collier as young PGs so maybe they want to develop those guys there? IDK though, that still feels like forcing it.

So maybe a revised trade might be

Sacramento in: Ingram, Orlando filler
Sacramento out: Barnes, Huerter, Devin Carter

New Orleans in: Huerter, WCJ
New Orleans out: Ingram

Orlando out: WCJ, filler
Orlando in: Barnes, Devin Carter

Why for Orlando: gives them a back-up 3/4 in Barnes and let’s them play Isaac at center which is their plan. Devin Carter gives them a young athletic point guard to grow with Black.

Why for New Orleans: gives them a starting center in WCJ to play in front of Missi. Gives them a starting caliber 2 who gives shooting to fit with CJ, Alvarado, and Murray.

Why for Sac: fills their hole at 3.