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LAL IN: Markennan
LAL Out: 2029 1st (unprotected), 2031 1st (top 3 protections), 2026 swap, 2028 swap, 2030 swap, Knecht, Rui/Gabe Vincent, JHS, (Hayes/Wood/Reddish filler if needed)

OKC IN: Lakers 2026 swap
OKC Out: 2025 1st from PHI

UTAH IN: 2025 Phi 1st, 2029 lakers 1st unprotected, 2023 1st (top 3 protected), 2028 swap, 2030 swap, Knecht, JHS, Rui (or Gabe Vincent if Utah doesnt value Rui)
UTAH OUT: Markennan

Why does LA do this?
They use all their draft capital and go all in, but still get to keep Reaves

Why does OKC do this?
They get to swap with LA in 2 years for a pick likely that will be better than our own and the PHI pick should be in the low to late 20s. Similar to the deal between them, the mavs and wizards this year

Why does UTAH do this:
Utah wants a package similar to Bridges, this is close. I think Lauri is a better player, but Bridges plays a more valuable position with his defense and the contract is cheap for 2 years and not 1. So I think its even at best, I even lean a bit to Bridges b/c Lauri will have a max next year.

That deal was 5 1sts and a swap

This deal is 3 1sts, Knecht (who shold have been a top 10 pick), JHS, and 3 swaps

Lauri is a perfect type of player for LA. Strangely, LA never seems to go for players that fit with LeBron well.

I don't value Knecht or JHS much and wouldn't trade Lauri for the first outright pick return to be in 2029.

babyjax13 wrote:I don't value Knecht or JHS much and wouldn't trade Lauri for the first outright pick return to be in 2029.

Is there a package for Lauri that you'd accept from Lakers without giving up LeBron or Davis?


I was thinking Reaves and unprotecting 2027 FRP as a base. Then would add 2029 and 2031 unprotected FRPs

that OKC 2026 first already the best of LAC and Houston (if Houston is out of the top 10)... So OKC pays a first to take a chance on LAL being worse than both those teams, while helping them add a perfect fitting young star to pair with AD and whatever LBJ is in 18 months? I don’t see it with no PG13 in LAC.

I think Utah/LAC could do..

“Worst 2025 first to LAL” (let Utah keep the Philly first if Minnesota finishes above them)
2026 LAL unprotected
“Worst 2027 first to LAL” (turn the owed first into a swap)
2028 unprotected
2029 swap
2030 unprotected
2031 swap

I feel like that’s more valuable to Utah than the odd numbers due to the Minn/Cleveland firsts..? Utah getting LAL’s picks post LBJ instead of Cleveland or Minnesota’s, feels better than just adding a 4th-5th first in a couple drafts.. two picks a year in the even years instead of one, etc..

You can tie Presti in paying their second worst 2025 first to get the 2028 swap. Then Presti just betting LAL being worse than Dallas/OKC by 2028.. . Pretty much the exact deal OKC/Dallas just did.. m so it still likely conveys at the Philly first..

jazzfan1971 wrote:Lauri is a perfect type of player for LA. Strangely, LA never seems to go for players that fit with LeBron well.

Yup lol

I dont view him as a perfect fit b/c the defense could be a bit meh or wonky with Lauri and Bron (should be defending 4s), but offesnviely would be very good

I think Bridges was my ideal candidate this summer, but NY was on him and would have outbid us

babyjax13 wrote:I don't value Knecht or JHS much and wouldn't trade Lauri for the first outright pick return to be in 2029.

Really no value to Knecht? Why not?

Would you value a random 1st in the future more in the 10-25 range?

Those unprotected Laker picks have limited value due to the Lakers being the premier FA destination. Even if Lebron leaves or retires, chances are another star will want to step up and be the next big Laker.

If Utah ends up taking a bunch of picks for Lauri, they are going to bet on unprotected picks from pretty much any other team in the league.

Lauri to the Lakers is a fantasy.

Go all in on what? The 7 spot in the play in? Lakers are cooked regardless. LeBron isn't that guy anymore and they got a Podcaster coaching the team. Jazz wouldn't do this anyways. Terrible for them.

Cappy_Smurf wrote:Those unprotected Laker picks have limited value due to the Lakers being the premier FA destination. Even if Lebron leaves or retires, chances are another star will want to step up and be the next big Laker.

If Utah ends up taking a bunch of picks for Lauri, they are going to bet on unprotected picks from pretty much any other team in the league.

Lauri to the Lakers is a fantasy.

I really hate when people say they are a premier FA destination

Who wanted to come play here from 2012-2018?

Remember Dwight got traded and then left asap

Lebron came here b/c he wanted to expand into more than just basketball (and win)

This is one of the most poorly run teams and I expect them to be the Knicks of the 2000s-2010s

nzahir wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:I don't value Knecht or JHS much and wouldn't trade Lauri for the first outright pick return to be in 2029.

Really no value to Knecht? Why not?

Would you value a random 1st in the future more in the 10-25 range?

Yes, I would value a random future 1st more. I think Knecht will be a fine off ball shooter, but a lot of what he is purported to do (especially isolation scoring) he isn't that good at. He's extremely old for a guy just drafted and I think he's a worse prospect than Sensabaugh while replicating his weaknesses. Defensively he's going to get eaten alive, and we already have major defensive issues in the backcourt. I think on the Lakers he has value because what he is good at you need next to LeBron, but I think the upside is low and that he was drafted in the right range. Just my perspective, obviously lots of people are higher on him!

meatwad4343 wrote:Go all in on what? The 7 spot in the play in? Lakers are cooked regardless. LeBron isn't that guy anymore and they got a Podcaster coaching the team. Jazz wouldn't do this anyways. Terrible for them.

If we had Markennan we would be a contender let me assure you

Can you name me 10 better guys in the playoffs than Lebron?

For me the list is really 2 guys in Jokic and Luka (who is a poor defender and was getting targeted)

Giannis can be gameplanned for easier

SGA maybe takes that step next year

Mayeb Brunson? But a small defender who can be targeted

Not Curry, KD, Booker, Ant, Tatum (look at his finals numbers, not impressive)

Kawhi is always hurt and so is Embiid (who has his own playoff issues)

babyjax13 wrote:

nzahir wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:I don't value Knecht or JHS much and wouldn't trade Lauri for the first outright pick return to be in 2029.

Really no value to Knecht? Why not?

Would you value a random 1st in the future more in the 10-25 range?

Yes, I would value a random future 1st more. I think Knecht will be a fine off ball shooter, but a lot of what he is purported to do (especially isolation scoring) he isn't that good at. He's extremely old for a guy just drafted and I think he's a worse prospect than Sensabaugh while replicating his weaknesses. Defensively he's going to get eaten alive, and we already have major defensive issues in the backcourt. I think on the Lakers he has value because what he is good at you need next to LeBron, but I think the upside is low and that he was drafted in the right range. Just my perspective, obviously lots of people are higher on him!

I feel like we can easily get a 1st for him outside

Does Rui have any value for you guys or not really?

I wonder if Rui and JHS can net us a late 1st elsewhere?

So 4 1sts and 3 swaps

Is that enough?

nzahir wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:

nzahir wrote:Really no value to Knecht? Why not?

Would you value a random 1st in the future more in the 10-25 range?

Yes, I would value a random future 1st more. I think Knecht will be a fine off ball shooter, but a lot of what he is purported to do (especially isolation scoring) he isn't that good at. He's extremely old for a guy just drafted and I think he's a worse prospect than Sensabaugh while replicating his weaknesses. Defensively he's going to get eaten alive, and we already have major defensive issues in the backcourt. I think on the Lakers he has value because what he is good at you need next to LeBron, but I think the upside is low and that he was drafted in the right range. Just my perspective, obviously lots of people are higher on him!

I feel like we can easily get a 1st for him outside

Does Rui have any value for you guys or not really?

I wonder if Rui and JHS can net us a late 1st elsewhere?

So 4 1sts and 3 swaps

Is that enough?

Rui is just going to be behind Hendricks and likely Collins, too. I could see a team offering a protected first. Re: 4 1sts and 3 swaps:

1. It depends on the picks, but I'm interested in unprotected picks from the Lakers
2. It depends on the terms of the swaps, if it is just swaps with our own picks they are unlikely to be exercised.

nzahir wrote:

Cappy_Smurf wrote:Those unprotected Laker picks have limited value due to the Lakers being the premier FA destination. Even if Lebron leaves or retires, chances are another star will want to step up and be the next big Laker.

If Utah ends up taking a bunch of picks for Lauri, they are going to bet on unprotected picks from pretty much any other team in the league.

Lauri to the Lakers is a fantasy.

I really hate when people say they are a premier FA destination

Who wanted to come play here from 2012-2018?

Remember Dwight got traded and then left asap

Lebron came here b/c he wanted to expand into more than just basketball (and win)

This is one of the most poorly run teams and I expect them to be the Knicks of the 2000s-2010s

Compared to the rest of the league, the Lakers are one of the few teams that can attract big name FAs even when they don't already have something to build on.

Just because they've had down times when it didn't immediately turn around, doesn't mean that the potential isn't there.

The Lakers would have to beat offers from other teams, and nobody is gonna bet on Laker picks compared to those other teams.

The Lakers have a huge advantage when it comes to free agency, but if they want to trade a bunch of picks without giving up talent, they are at a disadvantage.

It's a fantasy.

This seems like a handful of nickles for a dollar.

If UTA wanted to move Lauri they could easily do better than this.

nzahir wrote:

Cappy_Smurf wrote:Those unprotected Laker picks have limited value due to the Lakers being the premier FA destination. Even if Lebron leaves or retires, chances are another star will want to step up and be the next big Laker.

If Utah ends up taking a bunch of picks for Lauri, they are going to bet on unprotected picks from pretty much any other team in the league.

Lauri to the Lakers is a fantasy.

I really hate when people say they are a premier FA destination

Who wanted to come play here from 2012-2018?

Remember Dwight got traded and then left asap

Lebron came here b/c he wanted to expand into more than just basketball (and win)

This is one of the most poorly run teams and I expect them to be the Knicks of the 2000s-2010s

Oh to be young!
Kareem chose the Lakers, Wilt eventually made his way to LA for his ring. Shaq signed in FA. Lakers were able to sell magic beans and Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol (Stephen A Smith epic Kwame Brown rant), Lakers were the preferred destination for CP3 until "basketball reasons" LeBron obviously chose them. Kobe demanded to be traded there before being drafted. AD did wheeling and dealing to get there. D12, Nash and Ron Artest joined to be the failed avengers team (Artest was Hulk).

As soon as LeBron LeGoes, Lakers will once again be a place where a star goes to catch his limelight. In like 4 years don't be surprised to see Jah and Zion in purple and gold.

nykballa2k4 wrote:

nzahir wrote:

Cappy_Smurf wrote:Those unprotected Laker picks have limited value due to the Lakers being the premier FA destination. Even if Lebron leaves or retires, chances are another star will want to step up and be the next big Laker.

If Utah ends up taking a bunch of picks for Lauri, they are going to bet on unprotected picks from pretty much any other team in the league.

Lauri to the Lakers is a fantasy.

I really hate when people say they are a premier FA destination

Who wanted to come play here from 2012-2018?

Remember Dwight got traded and then left asap

Lebron came here b/c he wanted to expand into more than just basketball (and win)

This is one of the most poorly run teams and I expect them to be the Knicks of the 2000s-2010s

Oh to be young!
Kareem chose the Lakers, Wilt eventually made his way to LA for his ring. Shaq signed in FA. Lakers were able to sell magic beans and Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol (Stephen A Smith epic Kwame Brown rant), Lakers were the preferred destination for CP3 until "basketball reasons" LeBron obviously chose them. Kobe demanded to be traded there before being drafted. AD did wheeling and dealing to get there. D12, Nash and Ron Artest joined to be the failed avengers team (Artest was Hulk).

As soon as LeBron LeGoes, Lakers will once again be a place where a star goes to catch his limelight. In like 4 years don't be surprised to see Jah and Zion in purple and gold.

Oh I know the history, but that was with Dr Buss, not Jeanie and Pelinka (and Kurt and Linda)

And Kareem wanted out b/c he felt out of place in WI and wanted LA, NY, or WAS iirc

Wilt was fine going to Seattle as well until the Lakers paid him more

Also LA used to be a more glamorous place I guess and things were different in other cities. It isn't the same now in terms of other big cities not having opportunities and things to do. Most places dont match NY and LA for that, but they aren't the outskirts of the midwest either

I am excited to see this team fail post Lebron for a long time. They better not let Pelinka leave, I want to see this chaos

nzahir wrote:

nykballa2k4 wrote:

nzahir wrote:I really hate when people say they are a premier FA destination

Who wanted to come play here from 2012-2018?

Remember Dwight got traded and then left asap

Lebron came here b/c he wanted to expand into more than just basketball (and win)

This is one of the most poorly run teams and I expect them to be the Knicks of the 2000s-2010s

Oh to be young!
Kareem chose the Lakers, Wilt eventually made his way to LA for his ring. Shaq signed in FA. Lakers were able to sell magic beans and Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol (Stephen A Smith epic Kwame Brown rant), Lakers were the preferred destination for CP3 until "basketball reasons" LeBron obviously chose them. Kobe demanded to be traded there before being drafted. AD did wheeling and dealing to get there. D12, Nash and Ron Artest joined to be the failed avengers team (Artest was Hulk).

As soon as LeBron LeGoes, Lakers will once again be a place where a star goes to catch his limelight. In like 4 years don't be surprised to see Jah and Zion in purple and gold.

Oh I know the history, but that was with Dr Buss, not Jeanie and Pelinka (and Kurt and Linda)

And Kareem wanted out b/c he felt out of place in WI and wanted LA, NY, or WAS iirc

Wilt was fine going to Seattle as well until the Lakers paid him more

Also LA used to be a more glamorous place I guess and things were different in other cities. It isn't the same now in terms of other big cities not having opportunities and things to do. Most places dont match NY and LA for that, but they aren't the outskirts of the midwest either

I am excited to see this team fail post Lebron for a long time. They better not let Pelinka leave, I want to see this chaos

There are two types of "stars to LA" situations.
1) Superstar wants to come to LA to be the guy. Not gonna happen with LeBron, just ask AD
2) Star player sees LA as a contending team without them, feels like them coming in puts them over the top.

JRoy wrote:This seems like a handful of nickles for a dollar.

If UTA wanted to move Lauri they could easily do better than this.

Was my thought, it’s basically 2 1sts and Knecht, which is way short of the 5 1sts Bridges got and which any team could match.