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Yeah. Just random bad idea time since everything major seems to be waiting on Ainge..

Atlanta: Thybulle and Williams

Atlanta brings in two potentially great fits with Trae and stay under the tax. Trust in Jalen being the second option. Timelord health issues are clear, but with Okongwu and Nance, they can take the risk. They can still offer 4 firsts and other value if they want to actually bring in a star and they don’t trade their high variance picks here, this is just about making an elite defense around Trae.

Portland: Capela, 2025 Sac first, two 2nds

Portland gets an expiring, a first and seconds for two of their young vets. Probably the last two the team wants to trade, but they should still trade Grant, Simons and Ayton after this..

Don't see it at all. Atlanta adds salary and uses a 1st for players that likely won't be big parts of their rotation. With Dyson Daniels in Atlanta I don't see the appeal of Thybulle.

psman2 wrote:Don't see it at all. Atlanta adds salary and uses a 1st for players that likely won't be big parts of their rotation. With Dyson Daniels in Atlanta I don't see the appeal of Thybulle.

Zany Aussie off court hijinx?

I like the idea for ATL but I don’t think a first is warranted here

psman2 wrote:Don't see it at all. Atlanta adds salary and uses a 1st for players that likely won't be big parts of their rotation. With Dyson Daniels in Atlanta I don't see the appeal of Thybulle.

I guess we just really disagree here.

Even only 20 minutes per game from each of Thybulle and Timelord transforms a defense, has such an impact on wins..

The extra salary isn’t enough to bring Atlanta over the tax this season. Next year, Thybulle will be opting out if he repeats last season and Williams will be very underpaid if he finishes this season healthy. I know he doesn’t really finish seasons healthy, but that’s why he’s available for this type of offer.

But maybe I’m too high on the guys involved. Don’t think the Sac first is much value though.

jayjaysee wrote:

psman2 wrote:Don't see it at all. Atlanta adds salary and uses a 1st for players that likely won't be big parts of their rotation. With Dyson Daniels in Atlanta I don't see the appeal of Thybulle.

I guess we just really disagree here.

Even only 20 minutes per game from each of Thybulle and Timelord transforms a defense, has such an impact on wins..

The extra salary isn’t enough to bring Atlanta over the tax this season. Next year, Thybulle will be opting out if he repeats last season and Williams will be very underpaid if he finishes this season healthy. I know he doesn’t really finish seasons healthy, but that’s why he’s available for this type of offer.

But maybe I’m too high on the guys involved. Don’t think the Sac first is much value though.

Or more likely Thybulle stays around a 15 minute guy on a decent team playing behind DD/Risacher/Hunter/Bogs/Bufkin and Timelord misses most of the season. I don't think any team would offer expirings and a 1st for that package and Capela is still the best player in this trade. I think the Sac pick has a good chance to falling in the 13-18 range.

Portland wouldn't consider it without the first FWIW.

From a roster fit standpoint, I think Hunter instead of Capella works better.

Thybulle + RW3 <=> Hunter + asset?

jayjaysee wrote:

psman2 wrote:Don't see it at all. Atlanta adds salary and uses a 1st for players that likely won't be big parts of their rotation. With Dyson Daniels in Atlanta I don't see the appeal of Thybulle.

I guess we just really disagree here.

Even only 20 minutes per game from each of Thybulle and Timelord transforms a defense, has such an impact on wins..

The extra salary isn’t enough to bring Atlanta over the tax this season. Next year, Thybulle will be opting out if he repeats last season and Williams will be very underpaid if he finishes this season healthy. I know he doesn’t really finish seasons healthy, but that’s why he’s available for this type of offer.

But maybe I’m too high on the guys involved. Don’t think the Sac first is much value though.

RW3 availability is a huge drag on his value.

jayjaysee wrote:Don’t think the Sac first is much value though.

why not? in that stacked west that sac first had a good shot of being a mid 1st

Godaddycurse wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Don’t think the Sac first is much value though.

why not? in that stacked west that sac first had a good shot of being a mid 1st

I think the 2025 draft is being thought of so favorably because of 3-5 guys. Not the guys at 14-18.

The Sac first is a first. So it is valuable. But it also is protected well enough that it’ll never be a great asset.

JRoy wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:

psman2 wrote:Don't see it at all. Atlanta adds salary and uses a 1st for players that likely won't be big parts of their rotation. With Dyson Daniels in Atlanta I don't see the appeal of Thybulle.

I guess we just really disagree here.

Even only 20 minutes per game from each of Thybulle and Timelord transforms a defense, has such an impact on wins..

The extra salary isn’t enough to bring Atlanta over the tax this season. Next year, Thybulle will be opting out if he repeats last season and Williams will be very underpaid if he finishes this season healthy. I know he doesn’t really finish seasons healthy, but that’s why he’s available for this type of offer.

But maybe I’m too high on the guys involved. Don’t think the Sac first is much value though.

RW3 availability is a huge drag on his value.

Yeah, we agree.

Just think a well protected first to add two top 8-9 rotation pieces that fit with your star is a fair price.

But I’m clearly off here.

jayjaysee wrote:
Just think a well protected first to add two top 8-9 rotation pieces that fit with your star is a fair price.

i think thats true for teams in contention, which clearly isn't Atlanta, esp when they are already at a pick deficit to begin with

jayjaysee wrote:

JRoy wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:
I guess we just really disagree here.

Even only 20 minutes per game from each of Thybulle and Timelord transforms a defense, has such an impact on wins..

The extra salary isn’t enough to bring Atlanta over the tax this season. Next year, Thybulle will be opting out if he repeats last season and Williams will be very underpaid if he finishes this season healthy. I know he doesn’t really finish seasons healthy, but that’s why he’s available for this type of offer.

But maybe I’m too high on the guys involved. Don’t think the Sac first is much value though.

RW3 availability is a huge drag on his value.

Yeah, we agree.

Just think a well protected first to add two top 8-9 rotation pieces that fit with your star is a fair price.

But I’m clearly off here.

Are they top 8 or 9 rotational pieces though? Would thybulle get playing time over daniels, bogi, Zac, and Hunter?

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How good is Atlanta? If they believe they are a playoff team I don't mind this though don't think the 2nds are needed. Portland should be grateful to get any kind of first for those specific players and Atlanta is far from deep in good players. I see that posted a lot that people think a team is deep because they have a lot of players, but every team has a lot of players lol. And we see in the playoffs every year how thin every team is. I mean even the champs were 8 deep that got down to 7 when KP was hurt. Sure they played other centers, but they didn't want to and Pritchard was kinda an end of quarter specialist.

Dallas looked deep in the RS and then Exum and Hardaway offered next to nothing in the playoffs and suddenly Jaden Hardy is having to play....

Now if Atlanta thinks they aren't good then sure don't bother.

dms269 wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:

JRoy wrote:
RW3 availability is a huge drag on his value.

Yeah, we agree.

Just think a well protected first to add two top 8-9 rotation pieces that fit with your star is a fair price.

But I’m clearly off here.

Are they top 8 or 9 rotational pieces though? Would thybulle get playing time over daniels, bogi, Zac, and Hunter?

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Yes they are (IMO)

Because Dyson nor Zac are guarantees to walk in ready to play 30mpg next season. Nor is a guarantee that Dyson can actually be the lead defender next to Trae? He’s been paired with a couple other really great wing defenders...

Where as Thybulle finally hit threes enough that you aren’t playing 4 on 5 (well now it’s like 4.5 on 5) and you know if you put him next to Trae he’ll guard whoever.

That’s why I think Atlanta should want the depth.

If it works out that Thybulle plays 10mpg and you are flipping him 25 games into the season, that’s great news for Atlanta.

Godaddycurse wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:
Just think a well protected first to add two top 8-9 rotation pieces that fit with your star is a fair price.

i think thats true for teams in contention, which clearly isn't Atlanta, esp when they are already at a pick deficit to begin with

Yeah, it would be a lot less fun here if only “teams in contention” traded picks.

Atlanta finished 500 last year and won 36 games this year. With a poor fitting roster around their star. They didn’t draft first because of how terrible they are..

And while they don’t own their own firsts, they are actually plus one in total picks. Owe 2, own 3..

I really struggle with Timelord as having anything other than negative value. I think Thybulle gets the package to nuetral.

If the Hawks are attaching a first to Capela, they should be on the phone with the Knicks and inquiring about Hart or DDV.