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The biggest need is a starting center to complement Williamson, et al.

NOP trades Ingram, 27 FRP
NOP receives Payton, Poeltl, Boucher

New Orleans moves off Ingram, not faced with the idea of paying him $40M plus and limiting deals NOP can make moving forward.
Also with GP2, a backup PG to Murray who knows what it is like to win. Once GP2 contract ends, cost savings of at least $14m (Ingram's new deal/Wiggins existing)

GSW trades Wiggins, Payton
GSW receives Ingram

GSW moves off of Wiggins 3 remaining years. Ingram gets put into an organization that competes. Worst case scenario, Ingram walks at the end of the year and GSW saves the money (or uses him in a S&T).

Toronto trades Boucher, Poeltl
Toronto receives Wiggins, 27 FRP

Toronto brings home another Canadian - Wiggins may need the home atmosphere to rebound his play. The pick is because Toronto is getting the least attractive player with the only advantage being saving $4M.

GSW owes 2 1sts

They already are in the next group after Minnesota/OKC/Denver/Dallas.

I don't think Payton/Poeltl/Boucher makes them better than Ingram, and adding a pick is just insulting to New Orleans in this deal.

New Orleans needs health to be a contender, nothing more.

Godaddycurse wrote:GSW owes 2 1sts

And they should be going to New Orleans, not Toronto.

New Orleans is a tough team.

They seem to be less than the sum of their parts.

I am not sure what I would do with that roster.

LarsV8 wrote:New Orleans is a tough team.

They seem to be less than the sum of their parts.

I am not sure what I would do with that roster.

I see the oppositie. Zion/Ingram as a best 2 is not really that good compared to all the Top Duo's and Trio's. Yet when healthy the past 2 seasons, New Orleans plays like a Top 5-8 team. Alvarado, Jones, Trey and Nance all seem to fill holes as role players and provide spacing and defense to varying degrees.

Like you can't look at a Zion/Ingram pairing and your 2 best players and conceive they have a Top 5-10 defense, but they did.

Colbinii wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:New Orleans is a tough team.

They seem to be less than the sum of their parts.

I am not sure what I would do with that roster.

I see the oppositie. Zion/Ingram as a best 2 is not really that good compared to all the Top Duo's and Trio's. Yet when healthy the past 2 seasons, New Orleans plays like a Top 5-8 team. Alvarado, Jones, Trey and Nance all seem to fill holes as role players and provide spacing and defense to varying degrees.

Like you can't look at a Zion/Ingram pairing and your 2 best players and conceive they have a Top 5-10 defense, but they did.

I see a talented team, above average players at spot 9 deep, yet still can't seem to crack 50 wins.

I do agree that their top two are unimpressive, mostly Ingram, but Zion has his warts.

Maybe they found some magic in their offseason moves, but DJM seems like just another above average guy thrown into the mix.

Colbinii wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:GSW owes 2 1sts

And they should be going to New Orleans, not Toronto.

I think NOP shouldn't be paying a 1st. But Toronto should receive pick(s) for swapping poeltl for wiggins

The idea that Payton, Poeltl, and Boucher turns the Pelicans into a contender doesn't pass the laugh test.

louc1970 wrote:The biggest need is a starting center to complement Williamson, et al.

NOP trades Ingram, 27 FRP
NOP receives Payton, Poeltl, Boucher

New Orleans moves off Ingram, not faced with the idea of paying him $40M plus and limiting deals NOP can make moving forward.
Also with GP2, a backup PG to Murray who knows what it is like to win. Once GP2 contract ends, cost savings of at least $14m (Ingram's new deal/Wiggins existing)

GSW trades Wiggins, Payton
GSW receives Ingram

GSW moves off of Wiggins 3 remaining years. Ingram gets put into an organization that competes. Worst case scenario, Ingram walks at the end of the year and GSW saves the money (or uses him in a S&T).

Toronto trades Boucher, Poeltl
Toronto receives Wiggins, 27 FRP

Toronto brings home another Canadian - Wiggins may need the home atmosphere to rebound his play. The pick is because Toronto is getting the least attractive player with the only advantage being saving $4M.

Trade Zion and draft a real superstar. No team is going to contend with him as the best player.

Or continue trying to win around a power lay up guy who doesn’t rebound, walks back on defense and plays about 1/3 of the time.

I think NOP owns all their own future firsts and has some really valuable youth pieces. So if a player became available, then yeah they can easily take a step.

They have 6 starting level players and none are a center… Which is very problematic.

I feel like if they resigned Ingram and traded Trey+CJM for Allen+Caris (whatever they deal actually expanded to) then you’d look at a really complete roster with the flexibility to upgrade Ingram (the second option) later.

If you can pull off Ingram/Allen now - do it and keep the cheaper Trey..

I think Ingram for Allen swap could be very beneficial for both teams. The Pelicans would get a true center and wouldn't need to rush Missi into significant playing time, while the Cavaliers would finally getting the wing they have been looking for. I also should strongly considering trading Herb Jones depending how much teams would be willing to sent out in order to get him. If the Pelicans can't find a good trade partner for Ingram, then maybe something Herb Jones(getting rerouted to a 3rd team) + weak asset for Walker Kessler + assets from that 3rd team that go to both the Pelicans and Jazz would make a lot of sense.

Outside of getting a true Center where there won't so much pressure for Yves Missi to play major minutes right away, The Pelicans would need to hope that Zion Williamson can stay healthy for another season and Dejounte Murray maintain his level of offense,while also getting to somewhat close to level of defense that he used to have when he was with the Spurs.

JRoy wrote:

louc1970 wrote:The biggest need is a starting center to complement Williamson, et al.

NOP trades Ingram, 27 FRP
NOP receives Payton, Poeltl, Boucher

New Orleans moves off Ingram, not faced with the idea of paying him $40M plus and limiting deals NOP can make moving forward.
Also with GP2, a backup PG to Murray who knows what it is like to win. Once GP2 contract ends, cost savings of at least $14m (Ingram's new deal/Wiggins existing)

GSW trades Wiggins, Payton
GSW receives Ingram

GSW moves off of Wiggins 3 remaining years. Ingram gets put into an organization that competes. Worst case scenario, Ingram walks at the end of the year and GSW saves the money (or uses him in a S&T).

Toronto trades Boucher, Poeltl
Toronto receives Wiggins, 27 FRP

Toronto brings home another Canadian - Wiggins may need the home atmosphere to rebound his play. The pick is because Toronto is getting the least attractive player with the only advantage being saving $4M.

Trade Zion and draft a real superstar. No team is going to contend with him as the best player.

Or continue trying to win around a power lay up guy who doesn’t rebound, walks back on defense and plays about 1/3 of the time.

I agree with this, NOP should get as much as they can for Zion and reset.

Godaddycurse wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:GSW owes 2 1sts

And they should be going to New Orleans, not Toronto.

I think NOP shouldn't be paying a 1st. But Toronto should receive pick(s) for swapping poeltl for wiggins

I think this is the right approach.

Also, you can dump Payton’s contract into Toronto to avoid pushing NOP into luxury tax. They don’t need him anyways, given Dejounte/CJ/Dyson/Alvarado.

LarsV8 wrote:New Orleans is a tough team.

They seem to be less than the sum of their parts.

I am not sure what I would do with that roster.

Agreed. NOP is just a group of good players that do not mesh well.
They need to either move Ingram or move Jones/Murphy. They should not pay high wages for 2 of the 3.

jayjaysee wrote:I think NOP owns all their own future firsts and has some really valuable youth pieces. So if a player became available, then yeah they can easily take a step.

They have 6 starting level players and none are a center… Which is very problematic.

I feel like if they resigned Ingram and traded Trey+CJM for Allen+Caris (whatever they deal actually expanded to) then you’d look at a really complete roster with the flexibility to upgrade Ingram (the second option) later.

If you can pull off Ingram/Allen now - do it and keep the cheaper Trey..

Instead of the trade being Allen, make it Mobley for Jones/Murphy.

NOP can run Murray/ McCollum/Williamson/Mobley/Poeltl.
Or if the original trade is out -
Murray/McCollum/Ingram/Williamson/Mobley. When Williamson gets hurt, slide Mobley over and run the other center in at the 5.

louc1970 wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:I think NOP owns all their own future firsts and has some really valuable youth pieces. So if a player became available, then yeah they can easily take a step.

They have 6 starting level players and none are a center… Which is very problematic.

I feel like if they resigned Ingram and traded Trey+CJM for Allen+Caris (whatever they deal actually expanded to) then you’d look at a really complete roster with the flexibility to upgrade Ingram (the second option) later.

If you can pull off Ingram/Allen now - do it and keep the cheaper Trey..

Instead of the trade being Allen, make it Mobley for Jones/Murphy.

NOP can run Murray/ McCollum/Williamson/Mobley/Poeltl.
Or if the original trade is out -
Murray/McCollum/Ingram/Williamson/Mobley. When Williamson gets hurt, slide Mobley over and run the other center in at the 5.

I agree completely. Every team would prefer Mobley over Allen. Just don’t see him available personally.

Herb and Trey is a ton of value though. Just think it’s not what either team actually wants to do..

First you need to convince Zion to stay in shape and play defense. Then trade Ingram + picks(how many Indiana asks) for Turner.
Murray/Alvarado
Jones/McCollum/Hawkins
Murphy/Jones/Hawkins
Zion/Murphy/???
Turner/Missi.

If Zion plays like a MVP, this team is a contender.

jayjaysee wrote:

louc1970 wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:I think NOP owns all their own future firsts and has some really valuable youth pieces. So if a player became available, then yeah they can easily take a step.

They have 6 starting level players and none are a center… Which is very problematic.

I feel like if they resigned Ingram and traded Trey+CJM for Allen+Caris (whatever they deal actually expanded to) then you’d look at a really complete roster with the flexibility to upgrade Ingram (the second option) later.

If you can pull off Ingram/Allen now - do it and keep the cheaper Trey..

Instead of the trade being Allen, make it Mobley for Jones/Murphy.

NOP can run Murray/ McCollum/Williamson/Mobley/Poeltl.
Or if the original trade is out -
Murray/McCollum/Ingram/Williamson/Mobley. When Williamson gets hurt, slide Mobley over and run the other center in at the 5.

I agree completely. Every team would prefer Mobley over Allen. Just don’t see him available personally.

Herb and Trey is a ton of value though. Just think it’s not what either team actually wants to do..

I don’t see Cavs ever making him available. I think waiting on his potential is dangerous.
Cavs will pay him max money and he may never get close to that value.
I prefer Jones with his shooting and defense and Murphy with his defense over what Mobley gives.

If posters ranked Mobley, Ingram, Jones, and Murphy based on what they are today, and then ranked them on what they think will max out as (play not pay), it would interesting to see.

I dont like Ingram much but I have to believe he is worth more than Poeltl and some bubble rotation guys.

Adding a FRP on top of that crap return is offensive.