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Just another bad idea. Probably a miss on value? This started as Ingram to Utah but ended up here.

Dallas: Gafford, Powell, 2025 swap rights
Dallas: Kessler and Clarkson

Dallas keeps a nice center duo while getting a bench creator that can hopefully bounce back in a reduced role. They can still trade their 2025 first midseason, but it becomes even less valuable.

NOP: CJM, 2025 NOP first, 2027 NOP/Mil first (top 8 protected 2x)
NOP: Gafford and Sexton

NOP gets a strong defensive center and a cheaper guard to build a roster under the tax this season. Work to trade Ingram for whatever picks he is worth and have a younger more affordable core. Or trade Trey for picks and keep Ingram. YMMV.

Utah: Sexton, Clarkson, Kessler
Utah: CJM, 2025 NOP first, 2027 NOP first top 8 protected (2x), 2025 Dallas swap (with whatever their latest first ends up being)

Ainge gets a first each for Kessler and Sexton and potentially upgrades the Minnesota first. They keep Lauri’s money and consolidate their guards to give more opportunity to George?

I'd switch the 25 swap to 25 1st and 26 swap, and take Sexton myself.

Dallas: Gafford, Powell, 2026 swap rights, 25 1st
Dallas: Kessler and Sexton

NOP: CJM, 2027 NOP/Mil first (top 8 protected 2x)
NOP: Gafford and Clarkson

Utah: Sexton, Clarkson, Kessler
Utah: CJM, 2025 DAL first, 2027 NOP first top 8 protected (2x), 2026 Dallas swap (with whatever their latest first ends up being)

I think this is way too good for the Pelicans. CJ is a putrid contract. Somehow they get the 2 best players in the trade

Dallas can ill afford to trade Gaff and a swap and end up with just Kessler and a non winning, zero d guy like Clarkston.

I can appreciate you trying nor to make trades in favor of our home team and make them balanced, but don't think this is it.

jayjaysee wrote:Just another bad idea. Probably a miss on value? This started as Ingram to Utah but ended up here.

Dallas: Gafford, Powell, 2025 swap rights
Dallas: Kessler and Clarkson

Dallas keeps a nice center duo while getting a bench creator that can hopefully bounce back in a reduced role. They can still trade their 2025 first midseason, but it becomes even less valuable.

NOP: CJM, 2025 NOP first, 2027 NOP/Mil first (top 8 protected 2x)
NOP: Gafford and Sexton

NOP gets a strong defensive center and a cheaper guard to build a roster under the tax this season. Work to trade Ingram for whatever picks he is worth and have a younger more affordable core. Or trade Trey for picks and keep Ingram. YMMV.

Utah: Sexton, Clarkson, Kessler
Utah: CJM, 2025 NOP first, 2027 NOP first top 8 protected (2x), 2025 Dallas swap (with whatever their latest first ends up being)

Ainge gets a first each for Kessler and Sexton and potentially upgrades the Minnesota first. They keep Lauri’s money and consolidate their guards to give more opportunity to George?

For Utah the value seems fine, but I see more opportunity for George as decidedly negative.

Mavrelous wrote:I'd switch the 25 swap to 25 1st and 26 swap, and take Sexton myself.

Dallas: Gafford, Powell, 2026 swap rights, 25 1st
Dallas: Kessler and Sexton

NOP: CJM, 2027 NOP/Mil first (top 8 protected 2x)
NOP: Gafford and Clarkson

Utah: Sexton, Clarkson, Kessler
Utah: CJM, 2025 DAL first, 2027 NOP first top 8 protected (2x), 2026 Dallas swap (with whatever their latest first ends up being)

This revision is far less appealing than the OP. Since Utah only owns the best of CLE, MIN, and its own top-8 protected 2026 FRP and with this move I expect them to be awful in both 24-25 & 25-26, an additional 2026 swap with Dallas has virtually zero value.

Maybe but not sure the Jazz would want an actual good veteran such as CJM. They would be doing this with the sole intention of tanking for the Flagg draft.

The trade market is choked right now until the Lauri situation gets settled. There is a drop dead date of August 6th where Utah can begin a renegotition/extend. My guess is if they keep Lauri the odds go up they deal Sexton and Kessler before training camp in order to tank for the draft. I don't see them messing around winning games while holding on to players until the trade deadline just to eek out an extra small asset. They already tried this strategy the last 2 seasons and ended up picking at #9 and #10. My guess is they will tank from Day 1 with Markkanen and the kids picked in the last 2 drafts assuming they don't trade Lauri.

Mavrelous wrote:I'd switch the 25 swap to 25 1st and 26 swap, and take Sexton myself.

Dallas: Gafford, Powell, 2026 swap rights, 25 1st
Dallas: Kessler and Sexton

NOP: CJM, 2027 NOP/Mil first (top 8 protected 2x)
NOP: Gafford and Clarkson

Utah: Sexton, Clarkson, Kessler
Utah: CJM, 2025 DAL first, 2027 NOP first top 8 protected (2x), 2026 Dallas swap (with whatever their latest first ends up being)

Sexton makes a bit too much honestly.

That’s where I started though. Just needs to include Grimes for a 2 mil player to stay under the apron.

Not sure if that’s worth it.

SkyHook wrote:
For Utah the value seems fine, but I see more opportunity for George as decidedly negative.

Yeah, I’m not sure. I mean either the team wants to tank and George plays as many minutes as CJ.. Or the team doesn’t want to tank and they trade for a starting guard to pair with CJ and George is the third guard and that’s a better situation.

But I think they’ll be tanking so would expect George to have more usage than CJM this season. Maybe next season they trade for talent and are happy with CJM for a year.

I think it will be tough to convince NOP to give up McCollum's 3 point shooting. But with returning Sexton who can double as a backup PG, it might be worth it. Sexton shot almost 40% this year (3s).

Mavrelous wrote:I'd switch the 25 swap to 25 1st and 26 swap, and take Sexton myself.

Dallas: Gafford, Powell, 2026 swap rights, 25 1st
Dallas: Kessler and Sexton

NOP: CJM, 2027 NOP/Mil first (top 8 protected 2x)
NOP: Gafford and Clarkson

Utah: Sexton, Clarkson, Kessler
Utah: CJM, 2025 DAL first, 2027 NOP first top 8 protected (2x), 2026 Dallas swap (with whatever their latest first ends up being)

If I am NOP I now have to figure out where to get better shooting. I suppose more playing time for Jones/Murphy would help reduce the cost of Clarkson's shooting.

How about a simple Kessler for JHawkins swap.
Utah gets a little bit better and younger prospect and NO fills a need. Also, small thing, but Kessler is only prospect Utah will have to pay in 2026 - this would remove that and add one more to 2027 when they also have Hendrix/KGeorge/Sensabaugh and choice to do CWilliams/Collier early.

Xman wrote:How about a simple Kessler for JHawkins swap.
Utah gets a little bit better and younger prospect and NO fills a need. Also, small thing, but Kessler is only prospect Utah will have to pay in 2026 - this would remove that and add one more to 2027 when they also have Hendrix/KGeorge/Sensabaugh and choice to do CWilliams/Collier early.

My guess is Utah can get a better return for Kessler as several teams incl NY and the Lakers also need a center. I'm fairly sure Ainge would prefer actual draft capital. Hawkins is fine but he's a bit repetitive with Keyonte, Sensabaugh, and Juzang who they already have as young shooters signed to cheap 3 year deals. Actually Juzang just signed a 4 year extension.

Xman wrote:How about a simple Kessler for JHawkins swap.
Utah gets a little bit better and younger prospect and NO fills a need. Also, small thing, but Kessler is only prospect Utah will have to pay in 2026 - this would remove that and add one more to 2027 when they also have Hendrix/KGeorge/Sensabaugh and choice to do CWilliams/Collier early.

Hard to know how each side values Hawkins. he seemed out of rotation completely and his BBR stats look pretty terrible... think Utah would want a good amount more and NOP might still seem him as the guy they spent a late lottery pick on..

But would be much simpler if they could come to that agreement.

I question why the Mavericks would want Jordan Clarkson. He's inefficient shot chucker and isn't a positive on defense, which is what the Mavericks need. I also believe that the Bucks/Pelicans 2027 picks needs to have a lighter protection. CJ McCollum would stun the growth of Keyonte George, along with other young guards the Jazz have and not to mention that he's not on a great contract considering his level of play.

SkyHook wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:I'd switch the 25 swap to 25 1st and 26 swap, and take Sexton myself.

Dallas: Gafford, Powell, 2026 swap rights, 25 1st
Dallas: Kessler and Sexton

NOP: CJM, 2027 NOP/Mil first (top 8 protected 2x)
NOP: Gafford and Clarkson

Utah: Sexton, Clarkson, Kessler
Utah: CJM, 2025 DAL first, 2027 NOP first top 8 protected (2x), 2026 Dallas swap (with whatever their latest first ends up being)

This revision is far less appealing than the OP. Since Utah only owns the best of CLE, MIN, and its own top-8 protected 2026 FRP and with this move I expect them to be awful in both 24-25 & 25-26, an additional 2026 swap with Dallas has virtually zero value.

And the 25 swap as value? If anything, this year DAL is guaranteed to have Kyrie, next year he's a FA...
This package replaces NOP 25 1st with DAL 25 1st, and adds a swap, doesn't sound like "far less appealing"...

Xman wrote:How about a simple Kessler for JHawkins swap.
Utah gets a little bit better and younger prospect and NO fills a need. Also, small thing, but Kessler is only prospect Utah will have to pay in 2026 - this would remove that and add one more to 2027 when they also have Hendrix/KGeorge/Sensabaugh and choice to do CWilliams/Collier early.

The Jazz pass. Jordan Hawkins is a good prospect, but how much playing time would he would get with Keyonte George, along with some of the other guards that they have roster. Replace Jordan Hawkins with a random Pelicans player that makes less than 5 million per year + a 1st round pick would be a better deal for Utah.

I think New Orleans gets cut out and a third team sends value for Gafford. CJ probably makes it harder to tank, so I'm totally out on taking him back. The version with Sexton fixes that - since Sexton is a bit better at this point - but I don't think it is enough value for us.

babyjax13 wrote:I think New Orleans gets cut out and a third team sends value for Gafford. CJ probably makes it harder to tank, so I'm totally out on taking him back. The version with Sexton fixes that - since Sexton is a bit better at this point - but I don't think it is enough value for us.

I think at that point, Dallas gets cut out. It’s a lot easier to match Kessler and hope for some development than to match Gafford. Gafford is on a really nice contract and was relatively amazing for Dallas. But Kessler makes 10 million less and can be fit into a lot more budgets.

[quote="facothomas22"][quote="Xman"]How about a simple Kessler for JHawkins swap.
Utah gets a little bit better and younger prospect and NO fills a need. Also, small thing, but Kessler is only prospect Utah will have to pay in 2026 - this would remove that and add one more to 2027 when they also have Hendrix/KGeorge/Sensabaugh and choice to do CWilliams/Collier early.[/quote]

The Jazz pass. Jordan Hawkins is a good prospect, but how much playing time would he would get with Keyonte George, along with some of the other guards that they have roster. Replace Jordan Hawkins with a random Pelicans player that makes less than 5 million per year + a 1st round pick would be a better deal for Utah.[/quote]

That would work . . . in 90 days. I think the only cheap guy not just resigned is Alvarado and he is liked in NO (I think the rule is you have to wait 90 days after signing to trade).

jayjaysee wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:I think New Orleans gets cut out and a third team sends value for Gafford. CJ probably makes it harder to tank, so I'm totally out on taking him back. The version with Sexton fixes that - since Sexton is a bit better at this point - but I don't think it is enough value for us.

I think at that point, Dallas gets cut out. It’s a lot easier to match Kessler and hope for some development than to match Gafford. Gafford is on a really nice contract and was relatively amazing for Dallas. But Kessler makes 10 million less and can be fit into a lot more budgets.

I think Gafford is pretty easy to match and he is a veteran whereas Kessler isn't. I think some teams would prefer him, but ymmv.