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How LAL can use Reaves (integrating all concepts into 1 major thread)

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 3:48 am
by eitanr
Rather than draft different posts on possible Reaves concepts, I’ll try my best to consolidate some concepts I thought of here.

First, I don’t see how the current construct of the Lakers can even compete for a 6 slot. Denver, OKC, Minny, and Dallas are clearly ahead. Memphis, New Orleans, Sacramento are all likely ahead too. The Lakers need to make a move to add better fitting talent to increase their odds of making a legit run at the title.

Atlanta
Reaves, Russell for Bogdanovic, Okungu

Why for Atlanta: the Hawks have had interest in Reaves in the past and are trying to figure their new future without Murray. They drafted Risacher and need a better long term fitting 2 with Young. It also feels like year 4 for Okungu and he hasn’t gotten that full time starter chance just yet. Maybe it’s time to cut loose while you net an expiring and the right fitting 2 moving forward.

Why for Lakers: Bogy can be the pure spacing 2 needed and Okungu is an interesting long term fit at the 5 if the Lakers decide going big is a preferable route.

Cleveland
Reaves, Russell, Rui for Garland, Nnang

Why for Cavs: Cavs decide to make spider the PG and have Reaves as the opposing guard. Garland has seemingly wanted out. Russel can also fit in as a 3rd guard nicely while Rui is an upgrade for a backup spacing forward over Nnang.

Why for Lakers: a young usage PG seems like the right fit for the lakers. Garland can take over some of that usage mantle over the course of a long season. Nnang replaces Rui off the pine and the lakers hope Knecht can become that starting 2.

Indiana
Reaves, Vincent for McConnell, Mathurin, Walker

Why for Indiana: TJ is a pending FA and will warrant a decent pay day. Can Indiana retain him at his higher figure? The same will be the case for Mathurin. Instead Indiana consolidates and gets a better combo guard long term in AR. Vincent can help bridge that gap as an insurance PG as well.

Why for Lakers: LA gets 3 rotation talents and would see if TJ is a starting level PG. Mathurin can be that young spacing 2 and Walker is a worthy flyer as a defensive menace off the bench.

Brooklyn
Reaves, Russell for Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas, Sharpe

Why for BK: nets are in a rebuild and come away with best young asset in Reaves. Many here will claim it could be cam, but judging by how BK is viewing him I don’t feel they value him that greatly.

Why for Lakers: LA adds tremendous depth. Cam and Thomas help with wing depth and allow more
Lineups to have Davis/Janes at 4/5. Sharpe serves as a needed body for center depth. Without Russell, James would need to play more point forward.

Detroit:
Reaves for Ivey, Duren

Why for Detroit: the Pistons have about as much spacing as a lower East side tenement. Reaves is a young talent who would immediately help their rotations make way more sense long term.

Why for Lakers. LA takes a high upside risk, but first sees what Ivey can do in a lead guard role where he showed flashes in Detroit. Duren is a great rebounding big who can further strengthen that factor for the lakers.

New Orleans:
Gabe Vincent, Russell, Vandy for McCollum, Hawkins

Why for Pels: they unload CJ’s deal and get solid guard help and a much needed defensive minded big in Vandy for a team craving that type of talent.

Why for Lakers: CJ can be that high usage guard needed to take over games down the stretch in regular season when the older vets breakdown. Hawkins adds a needed additional spacer off bench.

Houston:
Reaves for Jalen Green

Why for Houston: before rockets supporters come with torches at the gate, remember green was their top talent they were going to put in moves for Bridges. While Houston likes what green did that second half stretch there’s a feeling of reservation there. Insert the also young but more controlled Reaves who would allow more usage from Thompson and Sheppard to shine while still giving needed spacing and consistency at the guard slot.

Why for lakers: Green is way more erratic but has more upside than Reaves. Green would grab that high usage guard mantle for better or worse but could be the right amount of risk needed to maybe help LA contend.

Spurs:
Russell, Vincent, 2nd rounder for Barnes, Tre Jones (once 2 months have passed)

Why for Spurs: the spurs shed Barnes deal for an expiring and could use the more vet PG skills of Russell. Vincent is fine as a backup pg as well.

Why for lakers: Barnes and Jones can fit in nicely as a starting calibur 3 and 1. Barnes is a plug and play 2 way wing and Jones can be that lead guard with this unit.

Portland:
Reaves, Russell for Simons, Reath

Why for Portland: the blazers need to clean up their guard rotation to set the table for scoot and their youth to take over. Reaves is the better fit long term and would allow more usage talents, also including Sharpe, to take flight.

Why for Lakers: Simons has the skills to be that needed takeover guard noted above. Reath adds much needed depth as a spacing 5.

Washington: (after 2 months)
Russell, Vincent, 2 future 2nds for Brogdan, Kispert

Why for Washington: Wiz still get a capable PG, spacing and assets for a likely departing talent in Brogdan and Kispert

Why for Lakers: LA adds a real nice vet pg in Brogdan and extra needed spacing in Kispert. They improve on 2 needed rotation slots.


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Re: How LAL can use Reaves (integrating all concepts into 1 major thread)

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 3:58 am
by babyjax13
Only the Washington and Portland ones feel like reasonable value, but the Portland trade is wrong directionally for the Blazers (younger player for older), and the Washington trade probably needs some more value for the Lakers, IMO. The rest are pretty severe overvaluations of Reaves, in my opinion.

Re: How LAL can use Reaves (integrating all concepts into 1 major thread)

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:46 am
by JRoy
babyjax13 wrote:Only the Washington and Portland ones feel like reasonable value, but the Portland trade is wrong directionally for the Blazers (younger player for older), and the Washington trade probably needs some more value for the Lakers, IMO. The rest are pretty severe overvaluations of Reaves, in my opinion.


Not crazy about POR-LAL trades but moving Simons anywhere is tempting to me.

Re: How LAL can use Reaves (integrating all concepts into 1 major thread)

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:21 am
by zimpy27
Reaves, LeBron and Davis are the 3 reliable players Lakers have as shown by their showing in the last 2 playoffs.

Lakers need to add 3 reliable players to that trio rather than breaking it up.
A guard, a wing, a big. All 3 should play D.

Tyus could be the guard.
The wing and big need to be traded for.

Re: How LAL can use Reaves (integrating all concepts into 1 major thread)

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:22 am
by Norm2953
Nobody knows if Portland cleaned up their guard rotation, if Scoot/Sharpe would be ready to
take over. It's Portland #1 question going into next season for Portland should be better up
front with Clingan, Deni Arvija added to Grant, Ayton, Camara.

Too many questions for Portland to make much progress in the western conference.

Re: How LAL can use Reaves (integrating all concepts into 1 major thread)

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:24 am
by JRoy
zimpy27 wrote:Reaves, LeBron and Davis are the 3 reliable players Lakers have as shown by their showing in the last 2 playoffs.

Lakers need to add 3 reliable players to that trio rather than breaking it up.
A guard, a wing, a big. All 3 should play D.


Most teams would prefer to keep those guys over DLo, Gabe Vincent and swaps that do not convey.

Re: How LAL can use Reaves (integrating all concepts into 1 major thread)

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:37 am
by zimpy27
JRoy wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Reaves, LeBron and Davis are the 3 reliable players Lakers have as shown by their showing in the last 2 playoffs.

Lakers need to add 3 reliable players to that trio rather than breaking it up.
A guard, a wing, a big. All 3 should play D.


Most teams would prefer to keep those guys over DLo, Gabe Vincent and swaps that do not convey.



Right, that's why they should be sent to bad teams with a draft pick for productive players they have.

Re: How LAL can use Reaves (integrating all concepts into 1 major thread)

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:05 am
by giberish
babyjax13 wrote:Only the Washington and Portland ones feel like reasonable value, but the Portland trade is wrong directionally for the Blazers (younger player for older), and the Washington trade probably needs some more value for the Lakers, IMO. The rest are pretty severe overvaluations of Reaves, in my opinion.


Yeah, most of these very from highly questionable to completely ridiculous. Portland and Washington can't really take advantage of Reaves current bargain contract but are still the only ones that say yes. Maybe Atlanta could think about it.

I don't understand why OP even bothered to type out the BK and Indy ones.

Re: How LAL can use Reaves (integrating all concepts into 1 major thread)

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:32 am
by TheBrooklynKidd
Reaves doesn’t have the value that these ideas suggest.

The only one that makes sense is the Wizards.

The Brooklyn trade is just awful.

Re: How LAL can use Reaves (integrating all concepts into 1 major thread)

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 2:29 pm
by dms269
eitanr wrote:Atlanta
Reaves, Russell for Bogdanovic, Okungu

Why for Atlanta: the Hawks have had interest in Reaves in the past and are trying to figure their new future without Murray. They drafted Risacher and need a better long term fitting 2 with Young. It also feels like year 4 for Okungu and he hasn’t gotten that full time starter chance just yet. Maybe it’s time to cut loose while you net an expiring and the right fitting 2 moving forward.

Why for Lakers: Bogy can be the pure spacing 2 needed and Okungu is an interesting long term fit at the 5 if the Lakers decide going big is a preferable route.


I don't imagine Atlanta making a move of two likely starters for only 1 in return (and the fit is questionable). Russell doesn't really fit with Atlanta's roster construction. This also improves the lakers and would be against Atlanta's self-interest owning their 25 first.

Re: How LAL can use Reaves (integrating all concepts into 1 major thread)

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 12:29 pm
by Mr Loggins
I didn’t realize Reaves is allready 26. It makes his fit clunky.

Something around Garland would make the most sense, but Lal would need to include some unprotected firsts to balance the value

Re: How LAL can use Reaves (integrating all concepts into 1 major thread)

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 2:57 pm
by jayjaysee
How good of a player can Atlanta get with Russell and 2-4 firsts? End up with Reaves and a secondary star..

Can add Capela and or Hunter if you need to match big money..