GSW-TOR: Kelly Olynyk and Bruce Brown become warriors

[MessiahUjiri]

This is a spin on a trade that’s been posted here before (Wiggins and Brown).

Assuming that the GSW-UTAH Markannen trade doesn’t go down, this kind of proposal might be interesting mid season.


Wiggins + Podz + Payton + 2 2nds (ATL ‘26 & ‘28)
for
Brown + Olynyk


The objective for GSW is to shore up their POA defense, get a floor spacing C who allows Draymond to become a PF roamer, and shed a few million for a veteran minimum.

The objective for TOR is to cash out on 2 vets, pickup a good guard prospect in Podz + 2 2nds + Wiggins as a hometown reclamation project.



Curry - Brown - Kuminga - Draymond - Olynyk
Melton - Hield - Moody - Anderson - TJD/Looney


^thats 11 deep, with 2 first round picks and a vet min to dangle at the deadline.

[BK_2020]

GSW don't wanna give up Podziemski for Markkanen they are not trading him for Kelly Olynyk and Bruce Brown.

[MessiahUjiri]

GSW don't wanna give up Podziemski for Markkanen they are not trading him for Kelly Olynyk and Bruce Brown.

Is that rumor really true? Podz is a good prospect but clearly inferior to Markannen.

Feels more like the reason is that Utah is asking for ALL the picks and leaving GSW with an empty cupboard.

There is also a world where this could be a 3 team deal, assuming Utah doesn’t care about Podz and wants to focus on the picks.

[daoneandonly]

No way the Raps get Podz, Bruce Brown doesnt have much value, and KO even less

[Colbinii]

Podziemski is already a better player than Olynyk and Brown. Not sure about this one at all.

Just to put into perspective how truly awful this is:

Podziemski Age 20 season: 9.2/5.8/3.7 with only 1.2 turnovers, 45/39/63 shooting splits, .100 WS/48, -0.1 BPM, On-Court +7.2, On-Off +8.7

Olynyk Age 32 season: 9.8/5.3/4.4 with 1.9 turnovers, 55/39/83 shooting splits, .133 WS/48, 1.8 BPM, On-Court -7.8, On-Off -2.7
Brown Age 27 season: 10.8/4.2/2.9 with 1.3 turnovers, 48/32/82 shooting splits, .058 WS/48, -3.3 BPM, On-Court -5.6, On-Off -5.3

So Podz is clearly better than Bruce Brown at the moment and very similar to Kelly Olynyk, who is a 32-year old Center who isn't switchable defensively and isn't a positive rim protector or deterrent. Furthermore, Bruce Brown has negative value and Olynyk was traded for 2nds.

Just a complete homer deal with no basis for an actual deal here.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, it’s not really fixable IMO.

I like Kelly in GSW once GSW is done going for better options but assigning big value in the Wiggins/Brown swap doesn’t make sense for a team trying to go on one last small run.

[xdrta+]

Warriors don't let go of Podz's cheap contract (for another 3 years!) without a more compelling reason than this.

[cpower]

Podz is worth 2 FRPs right now, and if we are to give him up we will get Lauri instead

[gswhoops]

Yeah this is not even close for Golden State. Replace Podz with Moody and maybe we can talk.

[165bows]

Podziemski is already a better player than Olynyk and Brown. Not sure about this one at all.

Just to put into perspective how truly awful this is:

Podziemski Age 20 season: 9.2/5.8/3.7 with only 1.2 turnovers, 45/39/63 shooting splits, .100 WS/48, -0.1 BPM, On-Court +7.2, On-Off +8.7

Olynyk Age 32 season: 9.8/5.3/4.4 with 1.9 turnovers, 55/39/83 shooting splits, .133 WS/48, 1.8 BPM, On-Court -7.8, On-Off -2.7
Brown Age 27 season: 10.8/4.2/2.9 with 1.3 turnovers, 48/32/82 shooting splits, .058 WS/48, -3.3 BPM, On-Court -5.6, On-Off -5.3

So Podz is clearly better than Bruce Brown at the moment and very similar to Kelly Olynyk, who is a 32-year old Center who isn't switchable defensively and isn't a positive rim protector or deterrent. Furthermore, Bruce Brown has negative value and Olynyk was traded for 2nds.

Just a complete homer deal with no basis for an actual deal here.

Ignoring that KO was a top-12 TS% guy last year, Podz below league average?

[Colbinii]

Podziemski is already a better player than Olynyk and Brown. Not sure about this one at all.

Just to put into perspective how truly awful this is:

Podziemski Age 20 season: 9.2/5.8/3.7 with only 1.2 turnovers, 45/39/63 shooting splits, .100 WS/48, -0.1 BPM, On-Court +7.2, On-Off +8.7

Olynyk Age 32 season: 9.8/5.3/4.4 with 1.9 turnovers, 55/39/83 shooting splits, .133 WS/48, 1.8 BPM, On-Court -7.8, On-Off -2.7
Brown Age 27 season: 10.8/4.2/2.9 with 1.3 turnovers, 48/32/82 shooting splits, .058 WS/48, -3.3 BPM, On-Court -5.6, On-Off -5.3

So Podz is clearly better than Bruce Brown at the moment and very similar to Kelly Olynyk, who is a 32-year old Center who isn't switchable defensively and isn't a positive rim protector or deterrent. Furthermore, Bruce Brown has negative value and Olynyk was traded for 2nds.

Just a complete homer deal with no basis for an actual deal here.

Ignoring that KO was a top-12 TS% guy last year, Podz below league average?

Yeah, one is a guard and one is a Center, but definitely another data point if you want to dig deeper.

I think my overarching point is Podz was a very solid NBA player--in year 1, at age 20. You don't trade those players for journeyman and 6th-8th man depth.

If the Warriors want that type of player, they have other young players and plenty of picks.

[Texas Chuck]

I wonder if the OP would be shopping Bruce Brown for 4x his value 10x a month if he wasn't currently a Raptor? I don't remember this last year when he was still a Pacer. And then you could have gotten two overpaid seasons instead of just one. Wonder why he suddenly got this valuable and so in demand? This despite Toronto telling everyone they were picking up the option just to trade him and then they haven't been able to find any trade at all much less land an all-rookie prospect back with 3 years remaining and the salary filler is a player better than Brown on top of that.

[chrbal]

Torontos only real significant trade asset is Poeltl, in terms of players. Beyond him, they should keep the player or the guy doesn’t have the value they think he does.

I can’t think of a trade for Bruce Brown that makes sense for all teams involved. He might have to ride the season out as a Raptor

[Godaddycurse]

I wonder if the OP would be shopping Bruce Brown for 4x his value 10x a month if he wasn't currently a Raptor? I don't remember this last year when he was still a Pacer. And then you could have gotten two overpaid seasons instead of just one. Wonder why he suddenly got this valuable and so in demand? This despite Toronto telling everyone they were picking up the option just to trade him and then they haven't been able to find any trade at all much less land an all-rookie prospect back with 3 years remaining and the salary filler is a player better than Brown on top of that.

a) technically 1 overpaid season left instead of 2 makes brown less negative/more valuable
b) op is attributing lots of neg value to wiggins i presume... or he's crazy high on Olynyk
c) wiggins havent been a better player the past couple years

[Texas Chuck]

I wonder if the OP would be shopping Bruce Brown for 4x his value 10x a month if he wasn't currently a Raptor? I don't remember this last year when he was still a Pacer. And then you could have gotten two overpaid seasons instead of just one. Wonder why he suddenly got this valuable and so in demand? This despite Toronto telling everyone they were picking up the option just to trade him and then they haven't been able to find any trade at all much less land an all-rookie prospect back with 3 years remaining and the salary filler is a player better than Brown on top of that.

a) technically 1 overpaid season left instead of 2 makes brown less negative/more valuable
b) op is attributing lots of neg value to wiggins i presume... or he's crazy high on Olynyk
c) wiggins havent been a better player the past couple years

a. OP thinks Brown is not overpaid and is very valuable.
b. See #1, OP is ascribing a ton of positive value to Brown

we know a and b are him valuing Brown high because he has made a ton of Brown threads with high values. It would be rude to not believe him when he says Brown is valuable. We can disagree(because he isn't) but we have to accept that the OP believes he is. He has been remarkably consistent on this.

I still think Wiggins is a better player than Brown or certainly projects to be one. Now I do understand saying Wiggins is a larger negative value than Brown due to the 2 extra years and additional money, but GSW is out of tax/apron hell. Nobody really could think they would give up a young cost-controlled player to dump Wiggins like this. I mean their combined money the next 3 years as your starting wings is very team friendly.

[165bows]

Podziemski is already a better player than Olynyk and Brown. Not sure about this one at all.

Just to put into perspective how truly awful this is:

Podziemski Age 20 season: 9.2/5.8/3.7 with only 1.2 turnovers, 45/39/63 shooting splits, .100 WS/48, -0.1 BPM, On-Court +7.2, On-Off +8.7

Olynyk Age 32 season: 9.8/5.3/4.4 with 1.9 turnovers, 55/39/83 shooting splits, .133 WS/48, 1.8 BPM, On-Court -7.8, On-Off -2.7
Brown Age 27 season: 10.8/4.2/2.9 with 1.3 turnovers, 48/32/82 shooting splits, .058 WS/48, -3.3 BPM, On-Court -5.6, On-Off -5.3

So Podz is clearly better than Bruce Brown at the moment and very similar to Kelly Olynyk, who is a 32-year old Center who isn't switchable defensively and isn't a positive rim protector or deterrent. Furthermore, Bruce Brown has negative value and Olynyk was traded for 2nds.

Just a complete homer deal with no basis for an actual deal here.

Ignoring that KO was a top-12 TS% guy last year, Podz below league average?

Yeah, one is a guard and one is a Center, but definitely another data point if you want to dig deeper.

I think my overarching point is Podz was a very solid NBA player--in year 1, at age 20. You don't trade those players for journeyman and 6th-8th man depth.

If the Warriors want that type of player, they have other young players and plenty of picks.

The basics of shooting efficiency isn't just another data point. At any rate few were as high pre-draft on this guy as I was but he was 12.5/7/5 per 36 on solidly below average shooting efficiency and started 28 games. It's fine to be high on his potential (I have been) but that's 6th man depth quality currently, which is what the warriors are playing for atm.

I'm not arguing that maybe Moody plus $ for KO might be a better deal - just pointing out your response was as hyperbolic as what you were responding to. Olynyk's 35th in career TS% in NBA history, actually been a full time starter 2 of the last four years

[NW]

Think everyone has said all that needs to be said about Podz being in this deal. Not happening.

That being said, should a Lauri deal actually go down, and Toronto has any Wiggins interest, I think there’s something there.

Should GS be looking at having to give new deals to Kuminga and Lauri after this season, it pretty much puts a countdown on needing to get Wiggins contract out of there.

Said for awhile that a 3-way deal with GS/Utah/Tor seems interesting as each has interesting pieces for the others. No idea what the deal would be though

[xdrta+]

Salary is big for the Warriors. Not only are they hard-capped this upcoming year, but they need the next 2 years under the tax line to get out of repeater tax hell. Podz average salary for the next 3 years is $4.3M. When he's up for a new contract all their big salaries will be coming off the books. Is there any team in that situation that would trade away a promising 20 year old with that contract? It would take a whole lot more than any offer I've seen to pry him loose.

[giberish]

Brown really isn't that useful to GS. He wouldn't be a big target.

Olynyk would have interest but at a much lower level.

[babyjax13]

Wiggins and a first for Brown might have some legs if Golden State wants to drop future salary and play the free agency game next offseason.