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Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:09 am
by DanishLakerFan
Simple trade:
Utah get: Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis + Jaxon Hayes + removal of protection of LA's 2026 pick + future 2nd rounder
Why? They're likely rebuilding, so they take a flier on recent 1st rounder in Jalen Hood-Schifino, a sophomore wing in Lewis, improve odds in 2026, get future 2nd rounder and they use Hayes in rotation for now or waive him. Giving up Kessler sucks but he seems to be on the way out.

Lakers get: Walker Kessler
Why? Kinda risky given AD's injury history and Lebron's age, but LA need a legit backup big they can count on and get it without giving up assets they're using right now and they save 5M which would allow them to use (part of) tax-MLE.

Thoughts?

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:13 am
by JRoy
Pretty sure UTA will want a better return.

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:16 am
by babyjax13
JHS doesn't make sense for us, don't need more guards. Lewis and the protections adjusted is some incentive, but we may prefer a pick and I think someone will offer one.

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:24 am
by DanishLakerFan
babyjax13 wrote:JHS doesn't make sense for us, don't need more guards. Lewis and the protections adjusted is some incentive, but we may prefer a pick and I think someone will offer one.


Its risky for sure. For both teams. JHS could be a scrub and LA could play well. OTOH JHS was rated in the 8-15-range by many and clearly has potential and LA could easily be a lottery team next season if things go south.

So what would it take?

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:26 am
by zimpy27
I think Lakers value JHS more than other teams, doesn't make sense to trade him unless other teams noticed his g league numbers and are intrigued.

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:34 am
by babyjax13
DanishLakerFan wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:JHS doesn't make sense for us, don't need more guards. Lewis and the protections adjusted is some incentive, but we may prefer a pick and I think someone will offer one.


Its risky for sure. For both teams. JHS could be a scrub and LA could play well. OTOH JHS was rated in the 8-15-range by many and clearly has potential and LA could easily be a lottery team next season if things go south.

So what would it take?

I'm not sure that LA has an appealing package. They are in a weird place where IMO it is easy to offer way less or way more than he is worth, but not something just right (e.g., a first with sliding protections). I wouldn't be mad about the OP, it is probably as close as they come, but one of the major assets would be our third young point guard on the roster and hed be behind George/Collier/Sexton/Clarkson and possibly Sensabaugh, too, overall.

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:51 am
by zimpy27
babyjax13 wrote:
DanishLakerFan wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:JHS doesn't make sense for us, don't need more guards. Lewis and the protections adjusted is some incentive, but we may prefer a pick and I think someone will offer one.


Its risky for sure. For both teams. JHS could be a scrub and LA could play well. OTOH JHS was rated in the 8-15-range by many and clearly has potential and LA could easily be a lottery team next season if things go south.

So what would it take?

I'm not sure that LA has an appealing package. They are in a weird place where IMO it is easy to offer way less or way more than he is worth, but not something just right (e.g., a first with sliding protections). I wouldn't be mad about the OP, it is probably as close as they come, but one of the major assets would be our third young point guard on the roster and hed be behind George/Collier/Sexton/Clarkson and possibly Sensabaugh, too, overall.


What about for Knecht?

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:04 am
by babyjax13
zimpy27 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
DanishLakerFan wrote:
Its risky for sure. For both teams. JHS could be a scrub and LA could play well. OTOH JHS was rated in the 8-15-range by many and clearly has potential and LA could easily be a lottery team next season if things go south.

So what would it take?

I'm not sure that LA has an appealing package. They are in a weird place where IMO it is easy to offer way less or way more than he is worth, but not something just right (e.g., a first with sliding protections). I wouldn't be mad about the OP, it is probably as close as they come, but one of the major assets would be our third young point guard on the roster and hed be behind George/Collier/Sexton/Clarkson and possibly Sensabaugh, too, overall.


What about for Knecht?

Absolutely not. He's a terrible fit because he can't defend, he is older than Kessler, and I think he was really overrated pre draft which is why he slid to 17.

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:10 am
by zimpy27
babyjax13 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:I'm not sure that LA has an appealing package. They are in a weird place where IMO it is easy to offer way less or way more than he is worth, but not something just right (e.g., a first with sliding protections). I wouldn't be mad about the OP, it is probably as close as they come, but one of the major assets would be our third young point guard on the roster and hed be behind George/Collier/Sexton/Clarkson and possibly Sensabaugh, too, overall.


What about for Knecht?

Absolutely not. He's a terrible fit because he can't defend, he is older than Kessler, and I think he was really overrated pre draft which is why he slid to 17.



Knecht and removing 2027 FRP protection?

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:20 am
by babyjax13
zimpy27 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
What about for Knecht?

Absolutely not. He's a terrible fit because he can't defend, he is older than Kessler, and I think he was really overrated pre draft which is why he slid to 17.



Knecht and removing 2027 FRP protection?

We'd probably have to do that, but I'd look for a third team for Knecht because we'd never win a game again starting he, George, and Filipowski together. I really think he's going to get played off the court on a regular basis because he's too slow.

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:59 am
by DanishLakerFan
zimpy27 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
What about for Knecht?

Absolutely not. He's a terrible fit because he can't defend, he is older than Kessler, and I think he was really overrated pre draft which is why he slid to 17.



Knecht and removing 2027 FRP protection?


I wouldn't do that. Knecht is going to be able to help right away with his skill-set.

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:00 am
by DanishLakerFan
babyjax13 wrote:
DanishLakerFan wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:JHS doesn't make sense for us, don't need more guards. Lewis and the protections adjusted is some incentive, but we may prefer a pick and I think someone will offer one.


Its risky for sure. For both teams. JHS could be a scrub and LA could play well. OTOH JHS was rated in the 8-15-range by many and clearly has potential and LA could easily be a lottery team next season if things go south.

So what would it take?

I'm not sure that LA has an appealing package. They are in a weird place where IMO it is easy to offer way less or way more than he is worth, but not something just right (e.g., a first with sliding protections). I wouldn't be mad about the OP, it is probably as close as they come, but one of the major assets would be our third young point guard on the roster and hed be behind George/Collier/Sexton/Clarkson and possibly Sensabaugh, too, overall.


For sure. Tbh i'm not sure exactly what Utah's plans are at this point. If they're rebuilding (which i assume is the case) i think you'd try to flip guys such as Sexton and Clarkson.

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:36 pm
by kobe_vs_jordan
babyjax13 wrote:JHS doesn't make sense for us, don't need more guards. Lewis and the protections adjusted is some incentive, but we may prefer a pick and I think someone will offer one.

Lewis looks like he on his way to china after his summer lg. JHS g league stats gives some hope for him.

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:39 pm
by kobe_vs_jordan
babyjax13 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Absolutely not. He's a terrible fit because he can't defend, he is older than Kessler, and I think he was really overrated pre draft which is why he slid to 17.



Knecht and removing 2027 FRP protection?

We'd probably have to do that, but I'd look for a third team for Knecht because we'd never win a game again starting he, George, and Filipowski together. I really think he's going to get played off the court on a regular basis because he's too slow.

Bigger more athletic Kennard and Grayson Allen type. Think they his defensive floor in the league.

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:14 pm
by bgrep14
zimpy27 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
What about for Knecht?

Absolutely not. He's a terrible fit because he can't defend, he is older than Kessler, and I think he was really overrated pre draft which is why he slid to 17.



Knecht and removing 2027 FRP protection?


What about adding Cleveland and then sending Collins and Knecht to Cleveland for Lavert, Jerome, and Niang to Utah?

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:27 pm
by Karmaloop
Not a chance the Lakers unprotect their pick for Walker Kessler.

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 5:08 pm
by babyjax13
bgrep14 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Absolutely not. He's a terrible fit because he can't defend, he is older than Kessler, and I think he was really overrated pre draft which is why he slid to 17.



Knecht and removing 2027 FRP protection?


What about adding Cleveland and then sending Collins and Knecht to Cleveland for Lavert, Jerome, and Niang to Utah?

That's just a bunch of older roleplayers. I don't think we'll use Kessler to dump Collins.

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 5:09 pm
by babyjax13
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:JHS doesn't make sense for us, don't need more guards. Lewis and the protections adjusted is some incentive, but we may prefer a pick and I think someone will offer one.

Lewis looks like he on his way to china after his summer lg. JHS g league stats gives some hope for him.

I liked him in the draft, we just don't need any more guards.

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:20 am
by NYG
Knecht for Kessler

Sign Tyus

Trade for Ingram

Re: Kessler to LA

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:35 am
by Karmaloop
zimpy27 wrote:Knecht and removing 2027 FRP protection?


If we're being honest, I don't think the Lakers do Knecht straight up for Kessler. Unprotecting the pick is off the table IMO.