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GS: Lauri Markanan, 2030 1st rd pick returned from WAS
Utah: Gary Payton III, Lindy Waters and one of the below structures:
Option 1: Jonathan Kuminga, 2025 Unprotected 1sts in 2025, 2029 & 2031
Option 2: Moses Moody, Unprotected 1sts in 2025, 2027, 2029, & 2031

WASH: 2025 1st rd pick returned from NY (top-10 protected in 25, top-8 protected in 26 turning into 26 & 27 2nds)
NY: Walker Kessler

*NY the outgoing salary part for NY needs to be figured out, but I believe that they can use Early Bird Rights on DaQuan Jefferies to create a $3MM outgoing salary slot.

Essentially - New York and Washington are added to the deal to free up additional future draft picks for Golden State. Golden State can't fit Kessler in under the apron and WAS has no need for him, which is where NY stepping in and returning Washington's pick ties this together. Golden State may need to add additional salary to the Moody version of the trade - as such, the Kuminga version probably works best for all.

Golden State gives Curry one last shot at a title run.

Curry/Melton/Green/Lauri/TJD
Podziemski/Hield/Wiggins/Anderson/Looney

Moody for depth

Utah gets distanced, unprotected Golden State picks plus a high upside prospect in Kuminga

Washington (most likely) turns a future GS 2nd into control of 2 of their own 2nds

NY gets Kessler for a protected 1st

I mean if we are saying the Wizards first is really 2 2nds and we know Utah declined 3 2nds for Kessler..... How are we justifying this value for the Knicks? I guess by this opening up of draft picks? I don't think that's enough of a value add really.

Kessler should be worth substantially more than a protected 1st round pick.

Knicks already offered two 1st’s for Kessler and as usual, Ainge declined...


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10127742-nba-trade-rumors-jazz-rejected-2-1st-round-picks-for-walker-kessler-amid-knicks-buzz

This just feels like trying to hide a bad Kessler to NY deal within the larger action of a Lauri to GS deal.

gswhoops wrote:This just feels like trying to hide a bad Kessler to NY deal within the larger action of a Lauri to GS deal.

Bingo.

Texas Chuck wrote:I mean if we are saying the Wizards first is really 2 2nds and we know Utah declined 3 2nds for Kessler..... How are we justifying this value for the Knicks? I guess by this opening up of draft picks? I don't think that's enough of a value add really.

The value is opening up Golden State's unprotected 2029 and 2031 1st rd picks - which are the high upside assets that Ainge will crave in any deal.

Still trying to figure out how GSW get Markkanen and a first.

R-DAWG wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I mean if we are saying the Wizards first is really 2 2nds and we know Utah declined 3 2nds for Kessler..... How are we justifying this value for the Knicks? I guess by this opening up of draft picks? I don't think that's enough of a value add really.

The value is opening up Golden State's unprotected 2029 and 2031 1st rd picks - which are the high upside assets that Ainge will crave in any deal.

I brought this up in a trade scenario a few weeks ago.
If GSW and Utah are making a trade they are def calling Washington for that 2030 protected pick, allowing GSW to maximize their draft capital in a trade.
Knicks have a cute piece that the value isnt terrible 2026 Washington pick that will fall between #10 and #39 which you could argue is worth more then a 2030 GSW pick that will be #20-30 if it conveys. There could be some value to Washington unlocking their picks but I don't see them needing to - it would just be nice.

I do think it's going to cost more then that 1 pick if they are getting Kessler. Maybe Deuce going to GS makes up for the void.

R-DAWG wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I mean if we are saying the Wizards first is really 2 2nds and we know Utah declined 3 2nds for Kessler..... How are we justifying this value for the Knicks? I guess by this opening up of draft picks? I don't think that's enough of a value add really.

The value is opening up Golden State's unprotected 2029 and 2031 1st rd picks - which are the high upside assets that Ainge will crave in any deal.

Would you be willing to do this deal if the Detroit protected pick needed to be included and traded to Utah? I like how this trade adds more value to the Washington pick but i'm not sure if it is enough. After the Mikal trade you may be resistant to all of New York's tradeable firsts being gone.

BowlRips wrote:

R-DAWG wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I mean if we are saying the Wizards first is really 2 2nds and we know Utah declined 3 2nds for Kessler..... How are we justifying this value for the Knicks? I guess by this opening up of draft picks? I don't think that's enough of a value add really.

The value is opening up Golden State's unprotected 2029 and 2031 1st rd picks - which are the high upside assets that Ainge will crave in any deal.

I brought this up in a trade scenario a few weeks ago.
If GSW and Utah are making a trade they are def calling Washington for that 2030 protected pick, allowing GSW to maximize their draft capital in a trade.
Knicks have a cute piece that the value isnt terrible 2026 Washington pick that will fall between #10 and #39 which you could argue is worth more then a 2030 GSW pick that will be #20-30 if it conveys. There could be some value to Washington unlocking their picks but I don't see them needing to - it would just be nice.

I do think it's going to cost more then that 1 pick if they are getting Kessler. Maybe Deuce going to GS makes up for the void.

I think both the WAS 1st the Knicks have and the GS pick the Wiz have hold little value as 1st rd picks. The GS pick is likely one low to mid 2nd rd pick with an outside shot of falling in the 20-30 range. The NY pick is likely two 2nd rd picks in the same range with a small chance of conveying as a late lottery pick. In my opinion, the WAS pick is a more valuable asset. But the Golden State pick will have more value to Golden State or a team trading with Golden State because it frees up additional draft assets for them.

It's a tricky situation because outside of Golden State offering WAS their 2025 1st in exchange for the 2030 1st returned, it's hard to see WAS getting acceptable value for the pick. The Knicks are in a similar situation with the WAS pick. I got to the Kessler idea because I don't see him fitting in WAS or GS and see Utah valuing more draft capital from GS (or keeping their own draft capital) more than Kesller.

GS can't credibly justify this level of pick debt heading past Curry's career. There's no need to involve Washington. The only way that Lauri to GS happens is if Lauri is fed up with Utah to the point where he doesn't take their R&E offer and the Jazz lower their trade price (and another team doesn't jump in).

R-DAWG wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I mean if we are saying the Wizards first is really 2 2nds and we know Utah declined 3 2nds for Kessler..... How are we justifying this value for the Knicks? I guess by this opening up of draft picks? I don't think that's enough of a value add really.

The value is opening up Golden State's unprotected 2029 and 2031 1st rd picks - which are the high upside assets that Ainge will crave in any deal.

So, in essence, the Jazz are giving up Kessler to facilitate getting that pick from WAS to maximize their Lauri return.

The problem with your Knicks piece is that WAS can flip the value they're receiving (Kessler) for an actual 1st rather than 2 2nds. They don't need the Knicks returning their protected pick to facilitate this. They can take the value they're getting (Kessler) and flip him for more than NYK is paying here.

Bad deals for Utah.

I'm running so far away from this from Golden State's POV. No way Lauri is worth all of that. Talk about Ainge tricking fans into thinking he's going to get 3-4 1sts plus young players for Markkaanen. Crazy.