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Cavs sign and trade Okoro
Jazz trade Kessler

Cavs get a back up center
Jazz get a 3-D SF/2G

Utah should have the cap space to sign him outright so this is a no for me.

AingesBurner wrote:Utah should have the cap space to sign him outright so this is a no for me.

Yes this correct I think. If Utah wants him they can sign him. He is an RFA so it could turn into a sign and trade, but Kessler would not be going back.
Could be a 2nd round pick or two…think Grant Williams to Dallas situation.

True but others may get involved if the amount is not enough. This allows Utah to get Okoro guaranteed.

louc1970 wrote:True but others may get involved if the amount is not enough. This allows Utah to get Okoro guaranteed.

I don’t think Okoro is that important to Utah, if we can’t sign him outright then no biggie.

Yeah. I’d rather overpay Okoro by 3-4 million a year on a 3 year deal than just throw Kessler in if I was Utah.

And Kessler seems like a weird fit in Cleveland to me personally? They should be looking to upgrade their backup bigs with a floor spacer who can play with either Mobley/Allen.

(Cleveland should do the OP, but just not what they need imo)

Of we want Okoro we'd probably work with Cleveland to get them a TPE and that's it.

babyjax13 wrote:Of we want Okoro we'd probably work with Cleveland to get them a TPE and that's it.

If Cleveland was willing to get rid of him for nothing they wouldn’t have offered him the QO.

I'd rather keep Kessler. I would like to snag okoro as a signing, but I'm not interested in paying real assets for him.

I'd rather just give Cody Williams more run than do that

If the Jazz don't extend Lauri, they'll have the money to sign Okoro outright. If they do, they'll want to send back Clarkson and I can't really see the Cavs agreeing to that.

bgrep14 wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:Of we want Okoro we'd probably work with Cleveland to get them a TPE and that's it.

If Cleveland was willing to get rid of him for nothing they wouldn’t have offered him the QO.

If Cleveland isn't willing to pay what Utah offers they'll trade us Okoro and get a TPE or not match and get nothing. I suspect we won't pursue him at all, but that is the way it would likely work.

babyjax13 wrote:

bgrep14 wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:Of we want Okoro we'd probably work with Cleveland to get them a TPE and that's it.

If Cleveland was willing to get rid of him for nothing they wouldn’t have offered him the QO.

If Cleveland isn't willing to pay what Utah offers they'll trade us Okoro and get a TPE or not match and get nothing. I suspect we won't pursue him at all, but that is the way it would likely work.

If Utah offers him numbers that make it painful for CLE to match, I can't see it NOT being painful for Utah either, at some stage. At which point, CLE says "good luck", and moves on. I just find the whole "we'll give you a trade exception" argument to be fake pity/generosity for the most part. Especially with CLE's penchant for leaving said trade exceptions on the shelf gathering dust until they expire. Having said all that, I agree Utah doesn't do the original deal, and Kessler, while a decent player, probably isn't a big need for us.

axeman23 wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:

bgrep14 wrote:
If Cleveland was willing to get rid of him for nothing they wouldn’t have offered him the QO.

If Cleveland isn't willing to pay what Utah offers they'll trade us Okoro and get a TPE or not match and get nothing. I suspect we won't pursue him at all, but that is the way it would likely work.

If Utah offers him numbers that make it painful for CLE to match, I can't see it NOT being painful for Utah either, at some stage. At which point, CLE says "good luck", and moves on. I just find the whole "we'll give you a trade exception" argument to be fake pity/generosity for the most part. Especially with CLE's penchant for leaving said trade exceptions on the shelf gathering dust until they expire. Having said all that, I agree Utah doesn't do the original deal, and Kessler, while a decent player, probably isn't a big need for us.

That's just how restricted free agency usually works. I'm not saying it to be a dick. At most teams usually get a few 2nds when they don't want to match. Regardless, I just don't see it happening with the R+E unless there is some salary on our team Cleveland wouldn't mind taking.

Okoro S&T + minivan redux for Clarkson and 2 2nds

Mavrelous wrote:Okoro S&T + minivan redux for Clarkson and 2 2nds

It’s less realistic than most ideas but I keep going back to..

Niang, Okoro, a second from Brooklyn and Cleveland to Utah
Clarkson and the later of Minn/Cleve 2025 first
DFS to Cleveland

Done once Lauri is renegotiated, Okoro can get about 13 mil first year..

axeman23 wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:

bgrep14 wrote:
If Cleveland was willing to get rid of him for nothing they wouldn’t have offered him the QO.

If Cleveland isn't willing to pay what Utah offers they'll trade us Okoro and get a TPE or not match and get nothing. I suspect we won't pursue him at all, but that is the way it would likely work.

If Utah offers him numbers that make it painful for CLE to match, I can't see it NOT being painful for Utah either, at some stage. At which point, CLE says "good luck", and moves on. I just find the whole "we'll give you a trade exception" argument to be fake pity/generosity for the most part. Especially with CLE's penchant for leaving said trade exceptions on the shelf gathering dust until they expire. Having said all that, I agree Utah doesn't do the original deal, and Kessler, while a decent player, probably isn't a big need for us.

If Okoro signs for a number north of the MLE, the Cavs would be foolish not to get a TPE if they could. This is particularly true with a TPE generated in August and Mobley coming off his rookie contract next summer.

jayjaysee wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:Okoro S&T + minivan redux for Clarkson and 2 2nds

It’s less realistic than most ideas but I keep going back to..

Niang, Okoro, a second from Brooklyn and Cleveland to Utah
Clarkson and the later of Minn/Cleve 2025 first
DFS to Cleveland

Done once Lauri is renegotiated, Okoro can get about 13 mil first year..

I don't hate it.

jbk1234 wrote:

axeman23 wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:If Cleveland isn't willing to pay what Utah offers they'll trade us Okoro and get a TPE or not match and get nothing. I suspect we won't pursue him at all, but that is the way it would likely work.

If Utah offers him numbers that make it painful for CLE to match, I can't see it NOT being painful for Utah either, at some stage. At which point, CLE says "good luck", and moves on. I just find the whole "we'll give you a trade exception" argument to be fake pity/generosity for the most part. Especially with CLE's penchant for leaving said trade exceptions on the shelf gathering dust until they expire. Having said all that, I agree Utah doesn't do the original deal, and Kessler, while a decent player, probably isn't a big need for us.

If Okoro signs for a number north of the MLE, the Cavs would be foolish not to get a TPE if they could. This is particularly true with a TPE generated in August and Mobley coming off his rookie contract next summer.

I'm just saying it's hard to get excited about a TPE, with the Cavs record of kicking the tyres on half a dozen targets, putting some fluff piece out about how they have plans going forward, and then it just... expires... A player coming back is a tangible asset. A 1st is a tangible asset. 2 2nds are tangible asset. A TPE is just air, basicly, that could be TURNED into an asset of some some value, but likely just expires a year from now and the owner saves X ammount of dollars...