P.J. Tucker/2030 2nd for Wendell Moore Jr.

[Bentley1225]

Ill offer this idea for Clippers to get far enough under tax to sign a guy like Robert Covington for remainder of MLE ($3.2 million) while Pistons add a veteran cheerleader and pickup a 2nd for selling remainder of cap space

To Detroit
-P.J. Tucker (1 year, $11.5 million)
-2030 2nd round pick

To Los Angeless
-Wendell Moore Jr. (1 year, $2.5 million plus T.O.) *waive*

Why?
-Pistons sell their cap space to get a future 2nd and pickup a veteran who can help be a leader on bench in his last year in the league.

Cunningham/Sasser
Hardaway/Ivey/Beasley
Thompson/Holland/Fontecchio/Klintman
Harris/Reed/Tucker
Duren/Stewart

-Clippers get far enough under tax apron to sign a replacement for Tucker like Robert Covington to a 1 year, $3.2 million deal

Harden/Dunn/Hyland/Porter
Powell/Mann/Christie
Leonard/Jones/Coffey
Brown/Covington?/Batum
Zubac/Bamba

[Godaddycurse]

think it takes more than 1 far off 2nd to save 9M. maybe attach some cash?

[psman2]

A single second usually doesn't clear that much salary. I know Det took on quite of bit of money for THJ, but they seem to see him as a rotation player for them. This would just be a pure dump and likely buyout situation and need at least another 2nd to be considered.

[Scoot McGroot]

Ill offer this idea for Clippers to get far enough under tax to sign a guy like Robert Covington for remainder of MLE ($3.2 million)

I think Covington’s league minimum salary would pay him above $3.2m.

[BK_2020]

How much cash can LAC send in the deal?

[oldncreaky]

think it takes more than 1 far off 2nd to save 9M. maybe attach some cash?

Agree that it takes more than a distant second, but I don't think adding cash is enough.

I think it would take more draft compensation.

[Godaddycurse]

think it takes more than 1 far off 2nd to save 9M. maybe attach some cash?

Agree that it takes more than a distant second, but I don't think adding cash is enough.

I think it would take more draft compensation.

as fans we would always prefer more 2nd(s) but i think teams/ie owner might prefer (up to) 7M cash more

[Colbinii]

think it takes more than 1 far off 2nd to save 9M. maybe attach some cash?

Agree that it takes more than a distant second, but I don't think adding cash is enough.

I think it would take more draft compensation.

Cash should be enough, especially when you are an owner of a bad team.

[oldncreaky]

think it takes more than 1 far off 2nd to save 9M. maybe attach some cash?

Agree that it takes more than a distant second, but I don't think adding cash is enough.

I think it would take more draft compensation.

Cash should be enough, especially when you are an owner of a bad team.

The desire to take cash probably has a lot more to do with the owners balance sheet than the team's roster or record.

Gores' leadership choices have been shaky, and he can't utter a sentence without spouting meaningless MBA-speak platitudes, but financially he's in fine shape, and he hasn't been cheap. It remains to be seen whether or not the TWolves current/future ownership has the wherewithal to keep the team together, or whether they will be forced to sacrifice roster depth for financial reasons as Taylor has in the past.

[chrbal]

Utah owns the rights to swap that pick. It would have to be multiple seconds to Detroit (do the clippers even have multiple seconds?) and it would almost need Tucker rerouted to a 3rd team for a player (s) that team is just trying to dump.

Like if the Bulls wanted to rid themselves of Jevon Carters contract. Say him and Duarte to Detroit, Tucker and cash to the Bulls, Moore and cap space to the Clippers. With whatever picks changing teams, but not to the Clippers.

Tucker goes just about anywhere, he’s getting cut. So more then a single second round pick is going to have to go with him.

Edit add some hours later

Clippers are honestly probably just going to have to ride out his contract. Used fanspo, it is absolute pain in the butt to try and figure out a team that would trade for PJ and can line up the money perfectly to follow the over the tax rules

[ejftw]

I'd be shocked if that's all it took to erase virtually all of Tucker's contract, unless it's a team that would want him, which, I don't see Detroit at all being that. Iirc, max cash a team can use in a trade for the campaign is around 7.3M, and Ballmers already sent Utah 4.3, leaving $3M as what's left for him to send.

Clips also don't have any real seconds available to trade, which is just insane. The 30 is subject to a swap, so it just really leaves 31 and

2026: Less favorable of (i) Own and (ii) most favorable of Indiana, Miami and Boston then other to Memphis.

[clippertown]

If the Clips can't package Tucker with either Mann or Powell in exchange for a playable power forward, my guess is that the Clips just use Tucker for defensive rotations and hope he can play better than last year, this time with a full camp.

I agree that Tucker is way over the hill, but he was not terrible when he was on the court. He just did not add to the team because the team was already very slow. Now the team has added some speedsters, Tucker can hopefully get on the court again.

[Billl]

There is way too much time left in this season for the pistons to be selling raw cap space for a crappy distant 2nd.

[Pattycakes]

There’s needle movers then there’s sword pushers… this my friends is a “q tip with static” type of operation.

[Captain Ballmer]

I don't think we will trade PJ Tucker along with assets as of now. Because by the time february trade deadline came, almost 65% of PJ Tuckers's 11.9 Million USD contract will be paid by the Clippers, rest of his contract payments can also be secured if Clippers trade him with exact amount of cash considerations(like 4 million USD). This is pretty much zero financial cost move, only salary cap holder for like 2 months.

In a scenario when a team wants to send an unhappy player with MLE amount of contract out of their hands, zero financial cost trades like PJ Tucker and Cash considerations are the targets hence will be valuable. Clippers won't need to send any draft rights for these type of trades if happens. Also, If that unhappy player has more than one year left on his deal, then Clippers might be the team to get compensate with future draft rights.

In a PJ Tucker trade, waiting for february is the right move for Clippers, unless other teams asks Clippers to be the third wheel in a big trade to provide expiring salaries.

[Mr Peanut]

As others have said, more draft capital would need to come to the Pistons. For the salary they're taking on, probably three second rounders which the Clippers don't really have, and even if so would rather preserve for other trades. So it's not going to work.

[shrink]

Agree that it takes more than a distant second, but I don't think adding cash is enough.

I think it would take more draft compensation.

Cash should be enough, especially when you are an owner of a bad team.

The desire to take cash probably has a lot more to do with the owners balance sheet than the team's roster or record.

Gores' leadership choices have been shaky, and he can't utter a sentence without spouting meaningless MBA-speak platitudes, but financially he's in fine shape, and he hasn't been cheap. It remains to be seen whether or not the TWolves current/future ownership has the wherewithal to keep the team together, or whether they will be forced to sacrifice roster depth for financial reasons as Taylor has in the past.

Taylor catching strays.

To be fair, Taylor has been a fairly typical spender compared to most GMs. He pays when he thinks his team is a contender - the team just hasn’t been there for so many years. In fact, it could be argued that he is an over-spender, since he’s gone over the lux four times, and he hasn’t had four contenders. He gets some flack for selling a pick once a decade ago to force Kahn to pay to buy out Rambis, but don’t forget this is the guy that changed the NBA, when owners demanded max deal language in the CBA after he paid the young Kevin Garnett the highest contract ever at the time.

Still, this year’s tax bill will be far greater than anything he (or virtually anyone else else) has paid before. Leading up to this, it looks promising though. He paid Tim Connelly, approved a trade for Gobert’s max deal, approved max extensions for Towns and Ant, and the money to keep the teams top seven players in the face of those daunting lux taxes. He also agreed for the opulent owner’s suite ARod and Lore wanted, even though it offended his small town Minnesota sensibilities. The checkbook has been wide open lately for the richest man in Minnesota ($2.8 bil), and at 83, is probably more willing to spend. I am far more concerned with ARod and Lore paying lux taxes than Taylor, especially with their questionable net worth, and presenting their plan to the other NBA owners and their lender to take the Wolves payroll under the lux.

[oldncreaky]

Cash should be enough, especially when you are an owner of a bad team.

The desire to take cash probably has a lot more to do with the owners balance sheet than the team's roster or record.

Gores' leadership choices have been shaky, and he can't utter a sentence without spouting meaningless MBA-speak platitudes, but financially he's in fine shape, and he hasn't been cheap. It remains to be seen whether or not the TWolves current/future ownership has the wherewithal to keep the team together, or whether they will be forced to sacrifice roster depth for financial reasons as Taylor has in the past.

Taylor catching strays.

To be fair, Taylor has been a fairly typical spender compared to most GMs. He pays when he thinks his team is a contender - the team just hasn’t been there for so many years. In fact, it could be argued that he is an over-spender, since he’s gone over the lux four times, and he hasn’t had four contenders. He gets some flack for selling a pick once a decade ago to force Kahn to pay to buy out Rambis, but don’t forget this is the guy that changed the NBA, when owners demanded max deal language in the CBA after he paid the young Kevin Garnett the highest contract ever at the time.

Still, this year’s tax bill will be far greater than anything he (or virtually anyone else else) has paid before. Leading up to this, it looks promising though. He paid Tim Connelly, approved a trade for Gobert’s max deal, approved max extensions for Towns and Ant, and the money to keep the teams top seven players in the face of those daunting lux taxes. He also agreed for the opulent owner’s suite ARod and Lore wanted, even though it offended his small town Minnesota sensibilities. The checkbook has been wide open lately for the richest man in Minnesota ($2.8 bil), and at 83, is probably more willing to spend. I am far more concerned with ARod and Lore paying lux taxes than Taylor, especially with their questionable net worth, and presenting their plan to the other NBA owners and their lender to take the Wolves payroll under the lux.

Informative take, thanks.

I agree that the concern is with ARod and Lore, with concern about Taylor's age looming on the horizon. Ownership transitions with ageing owners can be tricky, as Detroit experienced transitioning from Bill Davidson ==> his widow ==> Gores, and as Portland seems to be going through rn as well.

[Mavrelous]

Clippers are only 2.5M above tax, when push come to shove, they can trade PJT for 8 mil player and duck tax, he's acutally more useful on the books than off of them.
DET shouldn't take 11M for this little also.

[chrbal]

To me it would make more sense to find a team that would take Bones Hyland into cap space for like a second round pick swap or something like that.