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Cleveland: Niang and Jerome

Orlando: Cole Anthony

Orland saves a few million immediately and more over the length of Anthony’s contract

Cavs get point guard depth and insurance if they move Garland.

magic would have no interest in this they would have to waive jerome and much rather pay cole then niang who would not see any min on magic ..some fans have soured on anthony but i think front office and team chemistry matters...cole will get his spot as 6th man to start season much more important then saving 5 mill next yr for player that wont fit and need to add asset or waive to move

I'd rather see what a healthy Jerome can do. I have Cole Anothy as a negative value contract. If the Cavs move off of Garland, they need to replace him with a more defense-oriented PG, and whatever else Anthony might be, he's not that.

I would rather move Strus for Anthony.
Give Magic a good backup SF. Thin out the SF glut of Cavs.

No…ORL just spent their summer re-upping and extending guys on team-friendly deals…ORL won’t take a step backwards on-court to save money. Cole may have an apparent ceiling, but he’s nowhere near negative value.

louc1970 wrote:I would rather move Strus for Anthony.
Give Magic a good backup SF. Thin out the SF glut of Cavs.

1 - Strus isnt a SF
2 - Magic just drafted their backup SF in the 1st round this past draft

Isn't COle Anthony's last year unguaranteed or a team option? If so, his deal isnt all that bad.

daoneandonly wrote:Isn't COle Anthony's last year unguaranteed or a team option? If so, his deal isnt all that bad.

It’s a club option. So only 2 years at $26m total are truly guaranteed.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

daoneandonly wrote:Isn't COle Anthony's last year unguaranteed or a team option? If so, his deal isnt all that bad.

It’s a club option. So only 2 years at $26m total are truly guaranteed.

Beat me to it! If Cole Anthony is a negative contract, holy crap there aren't a ton of positive ones.

Doesn't seem like there's much chance CLE is moving Garland, but if they do they don't need to replace him with another 6'2 combo card that doesn't defend all that much.

jbk1234 wrote:I'd rather see what a healthy Jerome can do. I have Cole Anothy as a negative value contract. If the Cavs move off of Garland, they need to replace him with a more defense-oriented PG, and whatever else Anthony might be, he's not that.

Want to hear a funny stat?

There were only x7 point guards that had a better D-LEBRON than Cole Anthony last season.

6 of those 7 point guards are on near max/max contracts.

He isn’t a defensive savant, but understands defensive assignments and holds his own for the most part especially considering his stature limitations.

Lastly, he’s on a 2+1 essentially a little over MLE money. Malik Monk just got nearly 80M and put up somewhat similar stats playing a similar role and being a lot less of a defender than Cole.

Again, not a 6MOTY candidate but understands his role and plays within it.

For his production even in a down season one can argue he is actually a valued contract with all things considered.

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:I'd rather see what a healthy Jerome can do. I have Cole Anothy as a negative value contract. If the Cavs move off of Garland, they need to replace him with a more defense-oriented PG, and whatever else Anthony might be, he's not that.

Want to hear a funny stat?

There were only x7 point guards that had a better D-LEBRON than Cole Anthony last season.

6 of those 7 point guards are on near max/max contracts.

He isn’t a defensive savant, but understands defensive assignments and holds his own for the most part especially considering his stature limitations.

Lastly, he’s on a 2+1 essentially a little over MLE money. Malik Monk just got nearly 80M and put up somewhat similar stats playing a similar role and being a lot less of a defender than Cole.

Again, not a 6MOTY candidate but understands his role and plays within it.

For his production even in a down season one can argue he is actually a valued contract with all things considered.

Do you have a link for the D-LEBRON stats? When I go out to the database filtering for PGs in 2023-24, Cole Anthony is something like 28th.

mcfly1204 wrote:

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:I'd rather see what a healthy Jerome can do. I have Cole Anothy as a negative value contract. If the Cavs move off of Garland, they need to replace him with a more defense-oriented PG, and whatever else Anthony might be, he's not that.

Want to hear a funny stat?

There were only x7 point guards that had a better D-LEBRON than Cole Anthony last season.

6 of those 7 point guards are on near max/max contracts.

He isn’t a defensive savant, but understands defensive assignments and holds his own for the most part especially considering his stature limitations.

Lastly, he’s on a 2+1 essentially a little over MLE money. Malik Monk just got nearly 80M and put up somewhat similar stats playing a similar role and being a lot less of a defender than Cole.

Again, not a 6MOTY candidate but understands his role and plays within it.

For his production even in a down season one can argue he is actually a valued contract with all things considered.

Do you have a link for the D-LEBRON stats? When I go out to the database filtering for PGs in 2023-24, Cole Anthony is something like 28th.

No link, all can be seen from the database.

I just filtered point guards exclusively and minutes played (equal or more to Cole).

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Want to hear a funny stat?

There were only x7 point guards that had a better D-LEBRON than Cole Anthony last season.

6 of those 7 point guards are on near max/max contracts.

He isn’t a defensive savant, but understands defensive assignments and holds his own for the most part especially considering his stature limitations.

Lastly, he’s on a 2+1 essentially a little over MLE money. Malik Monk just got nearly 80M and put up somewhat similar stats playing a similar role and being a lot less of a defender than Cole.

Again, not a 6MOTY candidate but understands his role and plays within it.

For his production even in a down season one can argue he is actually a valued contract with all things considered.

Do you have a link for the D-LEBRON stats? When I go out to the database filtering for PGs in 2023-24, Cole Anthony is something like 28th.

No link, all can be seen from the database.

I just filtered point guards exclusively and minutes played (equal or more to Cole).

Thanks for the clarification on minutes played, but is that even a credible stat? Above Anthony you have Harden and Luka, just behind Anthony you have CJ McCollum...

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:I'd rather see what a healthy Jerome can do. I have Cole Anothy as a negative value contract. If the Cavs move off of Garland, they need to replace him with a more defense-oriented PG, and whatever else Anthony might be, he's not that.

Want to hear a funny stat?

There were only x7 point guards that had a better D-LEBRON than Cole Anthony last season.

6 of those 7 point guards are on near max/max contracts.

He isn’t a defensive savant, but understands defensive assignments and holds his own for the most part especially considering his stature limitations.

Lastly, he’s on a 2+1 essentially a little over MLE money. Malik Monk just got nearly 80M and put up somewhat similar stats playing a similar role and being a lot less of a defender than Cole.

Again, not a 6MOTY candidate but understands his role and plays within it.

For his production even in a down season one can argue he is actually a valued contract with all things considered.

One can argue anything, but in a down year Cole Anthony wasn't a positive player on either end of the court. The bigger problem is that Anthony's *down year* came in his 4th season, and once the Magic finally got competitive. He got paid based upon a positive projection coming off his 3rd season and once the Magic started competing in real regular season games, he looked bad.

He's still young. He could improve. But if I were making the calculus as a trade partner, I'd have him as a tank commander until he demonstrates otherwise. He doesn't make as much as a guy like Poole, and therefore isn't as negative, but it doesn't follow that he's positive. He wouldn't have gotten that contract this summer.

jbk1234 wrote:

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:I'd rather see what a healthy Jerome can do. I have Cole Anothy as a negative value contract. If the Cavs move off of Garland, they need to replace him with a more defense-oriented PG, and whatever else Anthony might be, he's not that.

Want to hear a funny stat?

There were only x7 point guards that had a better D-LEBRON than Cole Anthony last season.

6 of those 7 point guards are on near max/max contracts.

He isn’t a defensive savant, but understands defensive assignments and holds his own for the most part especially considering his stature limitations.

Lastly, he’s on a 2+1 essentially a little over MLE money. Malik Monk just got nearly 80M and put up somewhat similar stats playing a similar role and being a lot less of a defender than Cole.

Again, not a 6MOTY candidate but understands his role and plays within it.

For his production even in a down season one can argue he is actually a valued contract with all things considered.

One can argue anything, but in a down year Cole Anthony wasn't a positive player on either end of the court. The bigger problem is that Anthony's *down year* came in his 4th season, and once the Magic finally got competitive. He got paid based upon a positive projection coming off his 3rd season and once the Magic started competing in real regular season games, he looked bad.

He's still young. He could improve. But if I were making the calculus as a trade partner, I'd have him as a tank commander until he demonstrates otherwise. He doesn't make as much as a guy like Poole, and therefore isn't as negative, but it doesn't follow that he's positive. He wouldn't have gotten that contract this summer.

Eh, Cole wasn't even that bad last year. Worse than 2022-23 but better than his career numbers.

The better reason for the Cavs to avoid this deal-- since Niang is almost certainly a worse contract than Anthony-- is that they have Mitchell, Jerome, CPJ, and LeVert to play at PG even if they trade Garland (and don't get a PG coming back), and all their SFs can fill in the vacated SG minutes.

toooskies wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Want to hear a funny stat?

There were only x7 point guards that had a better D-LEBRON than Cole Anthony last season.

6 of those 7 point guards are on near max/max contracts.

He isn’t a defensive savant, but understands defensive assignments and holds his own for the most part especially considering his stature limitations.

Lastly, he’s on a 2+1 essentially a little over MLE money. Malik Monk just got nearly 80M and put up somewhat similar stats playing a similar role and being a lot less of a defender than Cole.

Again, not a 6MOTY candidate but understands his role and plays within it.

For his production even in a down season one can argue he is actually a valued contract with all things considered.

One can argue anything, but in a down year Cole Anthony wasn't a positive player on either end of the court. The bigger problem is that Anthony's *down year* came in his 4th season, and once the Magic finally got competitive. He got paid based upon a positive projection coming off his 3rd season and once the Magic started competing in real regular season games, he looked bad.

He's still young. He could improve. But if I were making the calculus as a trade partner, I'd have him as a tank commander until he demonstrates otherwise. He doesn't make as much as a guy like Poole, and therefore isn't as negative, but it doesn't follow that he's positive. He wouldn't have gotten that contract this summer.

Eh, Cole wasn't even that bad last year. Worse than 2022-23 but better than his career numbers.

The better reason for the Cavs to avoid this deal-- since Niang is almost certainly a worse contract than Anthony-- is that they have Mitchell, Jerome, CPJ, and LeVert to play at PG even if they trade Garland (and don't get a PG coming back), and all their SFs can fill in the vacated SG minutes.

In terms of efficiency, he was significantly below average across the board last season. His career averages are that of someone no longer on an NBA roster so saying they're better than that isn't impressive at all.

I don't get how you think he's less negative than Niang given the fact that Niang has an actual role during the regulars season and makes less.

jbk1234 wrote:

toooskies wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:
One can argue anything, but in a down year Cole Anthony wasn't a positive player on either end of the court. The bigger problem is that Anthony's *down year* came in his 4th season, and once the Magic finally got competitive. He got paid based upon a positive projection coming off his 3rd season and once the Magic started competing in real regular season games, he looked bad.

He's still young. He could improve. But if I were making the calculus as a trade partner, I'd have him as a tank commander until he demonstrates otherwise. He doesn't make as much as a guy like Poole, and therefore isn't as negative, but it doesn't follow that he's positive. He wouldn't have gotten that contract this summer.

Eh, Cole wasn't even that bad last year. Worse than 2022-23 but better than his career numbers.

The better reason for the Cavs to avoid this deal-- since Niang is almost certainly a worse contract than Anthony-- is that they have Mitchell, Jerome, CPJ, and LeVert to play at PG even if they trade Garland (and don't get a PG coming back), and all their SFs can fill in the vacated SG minutes.

In terms of efficiency, he was significantly below average across the board last season. His career averages are that of someone no longer on an NBA roster so saying they're better than that isn't impressive at all.

I don't get how you think he's less negative than Niang given the fact that Niang has an actual role during the regulars season and makes less.

Not to mention that in reality we have Mitchell and LeVert to play PG if Garland leaves. Who knows what Jerome can provide if he is healthy, and the verdict is still out on if CPJ should be seeing meaningful minutes.

mcfly1204 wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:

toooskies wrote:Eh, Cole wasn't even that bad last year. Worse than 2022-23 but better than his career numbers.

The better reason for the Cavs to avoid this deal-- since Niang is almost certainly a worse contract than Anthony-- is that they have Mitchell, Jerome, CPJ, and LeVert to play at PG even if they trade Garland (and don't get a PG coming back), and all their SFs can fill in the vacated SG minutes.

In terms of efficiency, he was significantly below average across the board last season. His career averages are that of someone no longer on an NBA roster so saying they're better than that isn't impressive at all.

I don't get how you think he's less negative than Niang given the fact that Niang has an actual role during the regulars season and makes less.

Not to mention that in reality we have Mitchell and LeVert to play PG if Garland leaves. Who knows what Jerome can provide if he is healthy, and the verdict is still out on if CPJ should be seeing meaningful minutes.

Not making too much of a case here for Anthony because I don't see a reason for the Cavs to pay assets here, but he's more efficient than LeVert and was pretty close to Strus. He does less all-around than those guys, but he's also paid less.

Niang has one above-average NBA skill and it disappeared in the playoffs.

Suggs for Garland is much more interesting and would better address roster issues for both teams