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Warriors trade

Andrew Wiggins | 25 FRP (Top 5 Pro) Swap - turns into 29/30 SRPs if not swapped
($26m+28m+30m{p/o})

Raptors trade

Bruce Brown
($23m)

•

GSW add some grit n grind with the addition of another big playoff performer
Add more playmaking & versatility to the lineup in another low-usage player
Improve their cap situation tremendously ahead of big 25 off-season

Curry - Hield - Brown - Kuminga - Green

TOR brings their guy home
Not sure how much sense it makes basketball wise but the potential rebirth of Air Canada makes it all feel worth it
If all goes according to plan and Wiggins becomes a superstar, Raps get to swap their pick with GS, otherwise they'll receive 2 future 2nds

Quickley - Barrett - Wiggins - Barnes - Poeltl

Stop, stop, it's already dead!

Warriors aren't going to pay the cost to dump Wiggins until they know he can't play at the level he did a few years ago. At that point, though, they'll probably have larger problems and just enter a rebuild, anyway.

The only deal that makes sense is sending Brown to LA for Hachimura and Vincent. It saves the Lakers money and gives them a great role player.

Poeltl / Olynyk
Hachimura / Mogbo
Barnes / Agbaji
Barrett / Dick
Quickely / Mitchell / Vincent

Davis
James / Vanderbilt
Brown / Reddish
Reeves / Knecht
Russell / Christie

The Lakers would have 41M and picks to get another player. This could be LaVine or another buy low former all star still in his prime. They could also completely reset after Lebron retires after next season. They're a destination city that could reset after just 1 tanking season. AD + Top 5 pick + superstar signing.

The Raptors can develop Hachimura, he's a late bloomer who looks like he could be a good role player next to a center piece like Barnes.

To be honest, I'm all for Wiggs in Toronto, just for the storyline.

But I don't see GSW parting with picks, and I don't see TOR taking him on without some incentives.

Thaddy wrote:The only deal that makes sense is sending Brown to LA for Hachimura and Vincent. It saves the Lakers money and gives them a great role player.

Poeltl / Olynyk
Hachimura / Mogbo
Barnes / Agbaji
Barrett / Dick
Quickely / Mitchell / Vincent

Davis
James / Vanderbilt
Brown / Reddish
Reeves / Knecht
Russell / Christie

The Lakers would have 41M and picks to get another player. This could be LaVine or another buy low former all star still in his prime. They could also completely reset after Lebron retires after next season. They're a destination city that could reset after just 1 tanking season. AD + Top 5 pick + superstar signing.

The Raptors can develop Hachimura, he's a late bloomer who looks like he could be a good role player next to a center piece like Barnes.

I agree that a Brown to LA deal is more likely than a GSW 1st rounder deal. Warriors may well be a lotto team next year, and its conceivable that if they struggle until December, they will cash out on Steph.

The LA deal has to have more incentive coming back though, to incentivize a deal. Vincent is ugly. Rui is meh. Maybe they attach JHS? He's not getting any playing time in LA anytime soon.

Warriors cap situation is now in a place where moving Wiggins contract is not a priority. Certainly not one involving picks. It'd have to be something that improves the roster imo. Preferably one that adds a frontcourt player that fits alongside Dray and Kuminga.

I wonder if there's a deal that gets Wiggins to Toronto, Brown to Milwaukee (they need perimeter defense) and something of need to GS?

NW wrote:Warriors cap situation is now in a place where moving Wiggins contract is not a priority. Certainly not one involving picks. It'd have to be something that improves the roster imo. Preferably one that adds a frontcourt player that fits alongside Dray and Kuminga.

I wonder if there's a deal that gets Wiggins to Toronto, Brown to Milwaukee (they need perimeter defense) and something of need to GS?

MIL and the new CBA rules are a great example of why Bruce Brown hasn't been traded.

MIL active roster is at $192M for 15 players. Under the new CBA rules, they can't combine salaries, so to get Bruce Brown they'd have to trade one of the four players on their roster who make more than Brown (Giannis, Dame, Middleton, Lopez). There is no way that would ever make sense for MIL.

Would it make basketball sense for Bruce Brown to join MIL? Heck yeah, he'd be a phenomenal fit on the bench with Portis. But the salary numbers will never work because a team far over the 2nd apron can't trade multiple players for a guy like Brown making $23M.

MIL was woeful defending the exterior last year. They have dropped Beasley, Crowder and Beverly, and added Delon Wright, Taurean Prince and Gary Trent all on vet minimum salaries. Under the new CBA, it's hard to see how they could have done any better.

Syko_boB wrote:Warriors trade

Andrew Wiggins | 25 FRP (Top 5 Pro) Swap - turns into 29/30 SRPs if not swapped
($26m+28m+30m{p/o})

Raptors trade

Bruce Brown
($23m)

•

GSW add some grit n grind with the addition of another big playoff performer
Add more playmaking & versatility to the lineup in another low-usage player
Improve their cap situation tremendously ahead of big 25 off-season

Curry - Hield - Brown - Kuminga - Green

TOR brings their guy home
Not sure how much sense it makes basketball wise but the potential rebirth of Air Canada makes it all feel worth it
If all goes according to plan and Wiggins becomes a superstar, Raps get to swap their pick with GS, otherwise they'll receive 2 future 2nds

Quickley - Barrett - Wiggins - Barnes - Poeltl

I think there's a potential deal here, but this isn't it.

let's try this.

Golden State trades: Wiggins - Looney - Payton II - 2025 1st round pick (top 4 protected)

Toronto trades: Brown - Pöltl

Golden State
Curry - Melton
Podziemski - Hield
Kuminga - Brown
Green - Anderson
Pöltl - Jackson-Davis

Toronto
Quickley - Mitchell
Barrett - Walter
Wiggins - Dick
Barnes - Agbaji
Olynyk - (Looney / Boucher)

wegotthabeet wrote:

Syko_boB wrote:Warriors trade

Andrew Wiggins | 25 FRP (Top 5 Pro) Swap - turns into 29/30 SRPs if not swapped
($26m+28m+30m{p/o})

Raptors trade

Bruce Brown
($23m)

•

GSW add some grit n grind with the addition of another big playoff performer
Add more playmaking & versatility to the lineup in another low-usage player
Improve their cap situation tremendously ahead of big 25 off-season

Curry - Hield - Brown - Kuminga - Green

TOR brings their guy home
Not sure how much sense it makes basketball wise but the potential rebirth of Air Canada makes it all feel worth it
If all goes according to plan and Wiggins becomes a superstar, Raps get to swap their pick with GS, otherwise they'll receive 2 future 2nds

Quickley - Barrett - Wiggins - Barnes - Poeltl

I think there's a potential deal here, but this isn't it.

let's try this.

Golden State trades: Wiggins - Looney - Payton II - 2025 1st round pick (top 4 protected)

Toronto trades: Brown - Pöltl

Golden State
Curry - Melton
Podziemski - Hield
Kuminga - Brown
Green - Anderson
Pöltl - Jackson-Davis

Toronto
Quickley - Mitchell
Barrett - Walter
Wiggins - Dick
Barnes - Agbaji
Olynyk - (Looney / Boucher)

This is definitely an improvement. It at least gets us something we need (a legitimate starter at the 5), though I'd be worried about the spacing of a JK-Dray-Poeltl front court. I'd probably do it though.

wegotthabeet wrote:

Syko_boB wrote:Warriors trade

Andrew Wiggins | 25 FRP (Top 5 Pro) Swap - turns into 29/30 SRPs if not swapped
($26m+28m+30m{p/o})

Raptors trade

Bruce Brown
($23m)

•

GSW add some grit n grind with the addition of another big playoff performer
Add more playmaking & versatility to the lineup in another low-usage player
Improve their cap situation tremendously ahead of big 25 off-season

Curry - Hield - Brown - Kuminga - Green

TOR brings their guy home
Not sure how much sense it makes basketball wise but the potential rebirth of Air Canada makes it all feel worth it
If all goes according to plan and Wiggins becomes a superstar, Raps get to swap their pick with GS, otherwise they'll receive 2 future 2nds

Quickley - Barrett - Wiggins - Barnes - Poeltl

I think there's a potential deal here, but this isn't it.

let's try this.

Golden State trades: Wiggins - Looney - Payton II - 2025 1st round pick (top 4 protected)

Toronto trades: Brown - Pöltl

Golden State
Curry - Melton
Podziemski - Hield
Kuminga - Brown
Green - Anderson
Pöltl - Jackson-Davis

Toronto
Quickley - Mitchell
Barrett - Walter
Wiggins - Dick
Barnes - Agbaji
Olynyk - (Looney / Boucher)

Neither Brown nor Poetl worth a first rounder with that limited protection imo. That’s an ugly frontcourt from a spacing perspective too. My guess is, if GS is getting a big from Toronto, they’d want Olynk

NW wrote:

wegotthabeet wrote:

Syko_boB wrote:Warriors trade

Andrew Wiggins | 25 FRP (Top 5 Pro) Swap - turns into 29/30 SRPs if not swapped
($26m+28m+30m{p/o})

Raptors trade

Bruce Brown
($23m)

•

GSW add some grit n grind with the addition of another big playoff performer
Add more playmaking & versatility to the lineup in another low-usage player
Improve their cap situation tremendously ahead of big 25 off-season

Curry - Hield - Brown - Kuminga - Green

TOR brings their guy home
Not sure how much sense it makes basketball wise but the potential rebirth of Air Canada makes it all feel worth it
If all goes according to plan and Wiggins becomes a superstar, Raps get to swap their pick with GS, otherwise they'll receive 2 future 2nds

Quickley - Barrett - Wiggins - Barnes - Poeltl

I think there's a potential deal here, but this isn't it.

let's try this.

Golden State trades: Wiggins - Looney - Payton II - 2025 1st round pick (top 4 protected)

Toronto trades: Brown - Pöltl

Golden State
Curry - Melton
Podziemski - Hield
Kuminga - Brown
Green - Anderson
Pöltl - Jackson-Davis

Toronto
Quickley - Mitchell
Barrett - Walter
Wiggins - Dick
Barnes - Agbaji
Olynyk - (Looney / Boucher)

Neither Brown nor Poetl worth a first rounder with that limited protection imo. That’s an ugly frontcourt from a spacing perspective too. My guess is, if GS is getting a big from Toronto, they’d want Olynk

that's valid, but you're getting both Brown + Pöltl, not one or the other. i'd do top 8 or even 10 protection, but there's got to be some upside. i think the above lineup wins around 50 games either way.

wegotthabeet wrote:

NW wrote:

wegotthabeet wrote:
I think there's a potential deal here, but this isn't it.

let's try this.

Golden State trades: Wiggins - Looney - Payton II - 2025 1st round pick (top 4 protected)

Toronto trades: Brown - Pöltl

Golden State
Curry - Melton
Podziemski - Hield
Kuminga - Brown
Green - Anderson
Pöltl - Jackson-Davis

Toronto
Quickley - Mitchell
Barrett - Walter
Wiggins - Dick
Barnes - Agbaji
Olynyk - (Looney / Boucher)

Neither Brown nor Poetl worth a first rounder with that limited protection imo. That’s an ugly frontcourt from a spacing perspective too. My guess is, if GS is getting a big from Toronto, they’d want Olynk

that's valid, but you're getting both Brown + Pöltl, not one or the other. i'd do top 8 or even 10 protection, but there's got to be some upside. i think the above lineup wins around 50 games either way.

Top 10 protected and I’d be more open. Just don’t see GS dipping into the first rounders in a deal that doesn’t bring back a legit number 2 scorer. Team looks good on paper but seems easy to defend-swarm Steph and dare anyone else to beat you

NW wrote:

wegotthabeet wrote:

NW wrote:
Neither Brown nor Poetl worth a first rounder with that limited protection imo. That’s an ugly frontcourt from a spacing perspective too. My guess is, if GS is getting a big from Toronto, they’d want Olynk

that's valid, but you're getting both Brown + Pöltl, not one or the other. i'd do top 8 or even 10 protection, but there's got to be some upside. i think the above lineup wins around 50 games either way.

Top 10 protected and I’d be more open. Just don’t see GS dipping into the first rounders in a deal that doesn’t bring back a legit number 2 scorer. Team looks good on paper but seems easy to defend-swarm Steph and dare anyone else to beat you

They are also dumping Payton (negative value) and Looney (neutral).

A top 5 protection makes sense, and both teams say yes, I think. Beyond that we’re eroding value.

Steph - Melton
Brown - Podz - Moody
Kuminga - Buddy
Dray - SlowMo
Poeltl - TJD

^You can play around with the lineups to solve for shooting/defense...But this is 11 deep. Realistically, this is one of GSWs best paths to become a 50+win team this year.

MessiahUjiri wrote:

NW wrote:

wegotthabeet wrote:
that's valid, but you're getting both Brown + Pöltl, not one or the other. i'd do top 8 or even 10 protection, but there's got to be some upside. i think the above lineup wins around 50 games either way.

Top 10 protected and I’d be more open. Just don’t see GS dipping into the first rounders in a deal that doesn’t bring back a legit number 2 scorer. Team looks good on paper but seems easy to defend-swarm Steph and dare anyone else to beat you

They are also dumping Payton (negative value) and Looney (neutral).

A top 5 protection makes sense, and both teams say yes, I think. Beyond that we’re eroding value.

Steph - Melton
Brown - Podz - Moody
Kuminga - Buddy
Dray - SlowMo
Poeltl - TJD

^You can play around with the lineups to solve for shooting/defense...But this is 11 deep. Realistically, this is one of GSWs best paths to become a 50+win team this year.

GP2, when healthy, is one of the best POA defenders in the league and is an expiring contract of just $9 mil. I don’t see where the negative value is. Toronto couldn’t get a first rounder for either guy and I doubt both that wasn’t better protected than top 5 (seems fans question giving up a first to get Poetl back in the first place from the looks of the Raps board).

That deal makes it pretty contingent that Kuminga makes one heck of a leap

Kuminga at 3 is a disaster waiting to happen.

BK_2020 wrote:Kuminga at 3 is a disaster waiting to happen.

Brown can play the three.

NW wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

NW wrote:
Top 10 protected and I’d be more open. Just don’t see GS dipping into the first rounders in a deal that doesn’t bring back a legit number 2 scorer. Team looks good on paper but seems easy to defend-swarm Steph and dare anyone else to beat you

They are also dumping Payton (negative value) and Looney (neutral).

A top 5 protection makes sense, and both teams say yes, I think. Beyond that we’re eroding value.

Steph - Melton
Brown - Podz - Moody
Kuminga - Buddy
Dray - SlowMo
Poeltl - TJD

^You can play around with the lineups to solve for shooting/defense...But this is 11 deep. Realistically, this is one of GSWs best paths to become a 50+win team this year.

GP2, when healthy, is one of the best POA defenders in the league and is an expiring contract of just $9 mil. I don’t see where the negative value is. Toronto couldn’t get a first rounder for either guy and I doubt both that wasn’t better protected than top 5 (seems fans question giving up a first to get Poetl back in the first place from the looks of the Raps board).

That deal makes it pretty contingent that Kuminga makes one heck of a leap

A healthy GP2 is not a real thing.

In 8 years in the NBA, GP2 has played more than 44 games only 1 time. You know he’s getting bought out, so it’s empty salary.

NW wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

NW wrote:
Top 10 protected and I’d be more open. Just don’t see GS dipping into the first rounders in a deal that doesn’t bring back a legit number 2 scorer. Team looks good on paper but seems easy to defend-swarm Steph and dare anyone else to beat you

They are also dumping Payton (negative value) and Looney (neutral).

A top 5 protection makes sense, and both teams say yes, I think. Beyond that we’re eroding value.

Steph - Melton
Brown - Podz - Moody
Kuminga - Buddy
Dray - SlowMo
Poeltl - TJD

^You can play around with the lineups to solve for shooting/defense...But this is 11 deep. Realistically, this is one of GSWs best paths to become a 50+win team this year.

GP2, when healthy, is one of the best POA defenders in the league and is an expiring contract of just $9 mil. I don’t see where the negative value is. Toronto couldn’t get a first rounder for either guy and I doubt both that wasn’t better protected than top 5 (seems fans question giving up a first to get Poetl back in the first place from the looks of the Raps board).

That deal makes it pretty contingent that Kuminga makes one heck of a leap

Toronto never tried to sell Poeltl or at least there hasnt been any rumors.

What about Payton, Looney, and Moody for Brown?