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[Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:36 pm
by bondom34
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Not sure if this fits in the general thread, but a waive and stretch

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:40 pm
by gswhoops
Said this in the general thread, but it seems like a missed opportunity not to use Little in a trade for an upgrade somewhere, even if it was just a marginal one. He's one of their only deals that falls between a vet min and a max.

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:42 pm
by JRoy
Little is terrible.

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:42 pm
by zimpy27
Seems like they just lost their best filler for trade..

But I guess now you can't aggregate so could've only got a low salary player back.

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:55 pm
by Scoot McGroot
gswhoops wrote:Said this in the general thread, but it seems like a missed opportunity not to use Little in a trade for an upgrade somewhere, even if it was just a marginal one. He's one of their only deals that falls between a vet min and a max.



With what incentive? They’re basically out of draft compensation…. :dontknow:

But I still would’ve probably kept Little an extra year and just not signed Bol Bol instead? Or something similar. I would’ve taken one more year to see if it works out, or if his contract turns into easier filler?

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:56 pm
by Scoot McGroot
But can we talk about how amazing his agent is? Also reps Zeke Nnaji! Got a bad to maybe ok player a multi year deal that didn't seem terrible at first just because it was below the MLE. :lol:

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:42 pm
by Devilanche
Scoot McGroot wrote:But can we talk about how amazing his agent is? Also reps Zeke Nnaji! Got a bad to maybe ok player a multi year deal that didn't seem terrible at first just because it was below the MLE. :lol:

That’s an agent that more than earned his share of the contract.

2 players who probably going play for the minimum going forward who both secured generational money.

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:49 pm
by gswhoops
Scoot McGroot wrote:But can we talk about how amazing his agent is? Also reps Zeke Nnaji! Got a bad to maybe ok player a multi year deal that didn't seem terrible at first just because it was below the MLE. :lol:

Thinking about giving him a call tbh. Sure I'm 34 and never made it past JV high school ball, but...

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:51 pm
by JayTWill
I actually wanted the Knicks to draft Liddell a couple years ago but then he tore his ACL in summer league before the start of his rookie season and I haven't seen him play since. I felt like he had the potential to be a solid bench player coming out of college.

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:54 pm
by Godaddycurse
zimpy27 wrote:Seems like they just lost their best filler for trade..

But I guess now you can't aggregate so could've only got a low salary player back.


No that would be Okogie

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 11:09 pm
by LV-Suns
Godaddycurse wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Seems like they just lost their best filler for trade..

But I guess now you can't aggregate so could've only got a low salary player back.


No that would be Okogie

Yeah, Okogie is there to do that on a 1+1 year contract. Nobody wants to take on Little for 3 years.

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 12:38 am
by Scoot McGroot
JayTWill wrote:I actually wanted the Knicks to draft Liddell a couple years ago but then he tore his ACL in summer league before the start of his rookie season and I haven't seen him play since. I felt like he had the potential to be a solid bench player coming out of college.


He tore his ACL predraft in workouts, I believe. I liked him in the first round that year! :lol:

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:08 am
by Myth
That Little contract had 3 years left on it and over $20M. And now it is being stretched, so maybe 6 years or something, and can never be traded. That is real bad. Suns must have been really desperate to get the savings now.

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:29 am
by chrbal
Myth wrote:That Little contract had 3 years left on it and over $20M. And now it is being stretched, so maybe 6 years or something, and can never be traded. That is real bad. Suns must have been really desperate to get the savings now.


7. Double the years left plus one, I think that’s how it is

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:37 am
by Colbinii
chrbal wrote:
Myth wrote:That Little contract had 3 years left on it and over $20M. And now it is being stretched, so maybe 6 years or something, and can never be traded. That is real bad. Suns must have been really desperate to get the savings now.


7. Double the years left plus one, I think that’s how it is


I'm pretty sure it saves like $20+ Million in Tax every year.

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:52 am
by K_chile22
Myth wrote:That Little contract had 3 years left on it and over $20M. And now it is being stretched, so maybe 6 years or something, and can never be traded. That is real bad. Suns must have been really desperate to get the savings now.
Owner outright said in three years they'll be out of the tax one way or another, so significant savings in the long run since most of that salary will no longer be taxed

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:23 am
by giberish
K_chile22 wrote:
Myth wrote:That Little contract had 3 years left on it and over $20M. And now it is being stretched, so maybe 6 years or something, and can never be traded. That is real bad. Suns must have been really desperate to get the savings now.
Owner outright said in three years they'll be out of the tax one way or another, so significant savings in the long run since most of that salary will no longer be taxed


So in 3 years the plan is Booker + cheaper vets (without being able to draft much). Tough to see Booker one-man carrying them to the playoffs.

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:36 am
by Myth
K_chile22 wrote:
Myth wrote:That Little contract had 3 years left on it and over $20M. And now it is being stretched, so maybe 6 years or something, and can never be traded. That is real bad. Suns must have been really desperate to get the savings now.
Owner outright said in three years they'll be out of the tax one way or another, so significant savings in the long run since most of that salary will no longer be taxed

I’m not saying it was dumb or they shouldn’t have done it, but simply it speaks volumes of the situation that were in and didn’t see other options when you have to fully waive a contract with that much money and years left.

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:40 am
by HornetJail
guess 2 DEN 2nds wasn't enough to get off his deal because that's all the Suns have. This does save them some significant money now stretching it out

Re: [Charania]: Suns Waive and Stretch Little/Waive Liddell

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:07 am
by Chuck Everett
Who knew that Little was on a 3 year/22 million dollar deal? What a horrible contract. He's a minimum player at best.