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Nets trade:

Cam Johnson & Dennis Schroder


Jazz trade:

Colin Sexton & Jordan Clarkson
26 1st - 2nd best of MIN/CLE/UTA
27 1st - 2nd best of LAL/MIN/CLE/UTA

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Brooklyn throw more into their vault, so that one day when it opens up... it'll be good hopefully
Sexton/Clarkson/Thomas makes for a pretty ecstatic backcourt for this era of Nets bball

Sexton / Simmons
Thomas / Clarkson
Bogdanovic / Williams
Finney-Smith / Clowney
Claxton / Sharpe

Utah adds a majestic running mate next to Lauri, and creates a better cap situation going forward for added flexibility in the offseason to further bolster the roster
Schroder can teach their guards a lot & feels like a great fit here if they make a run for the Playoffs this year

George / Schroder
Williams / Juzang
Johnson / Hendricks
Markkannen / Collins
Kessler / Eubanks

We'd win a similar number of games but be out picks, no thanks. Sexton is probably the best player in this deal, too. Just very unappealing.

I have Sexton as better player than CamJ, and CamJ is more injury prone, you can argue CamJ is more valuable because of position, but not by a lot...
Clarkson/1st for CamJ is intersting though.

Syko_boB wrote:
Utah adds a majestic running mate next to Lauri

Lol

Why is utah adding picks?

Ainge isn't giving up any picks at this point although I'm sure Clarkson could be had for a SRP or maybe even an expiring. Sexton was low key their best player last season mainly due to all of Lauri's injuries but Ainge would still likely deal him for decent pick(s) coming back. They do not want to win many games this coming season.

Cam J does nothing for the Jazz. I could see them trade picks next summer (or the summer afterward) for an all star type player if they land a stud such as Flagg/Ace/Dybantsa in the next 2 drafts.

Johnson is the perfect 6th man to any team.

louc1970 wrote:Johnson is the perfect 6th man to any team.

If then, will you downgrade your starter, add 2 more 1st round pick and trade a gd sixth man for a so call perfect 6th man？

sunevisions wrote:

louc1970 wrote:Johnson is the perfect 6th man to any team.

If then, will you downgrade your starter, add 2 more 1st round pick and trade a gd sixth man for a so call perfect 6th man？

I don't think Johnson is worth any picks. If Utah is including Sexton, that is the prize and worth. Everything else is filler.

Also going after Johnson, what does that do to Hendricks? He needs playing time.

I think the trade also depends on what the goal is. If Utah is looking to lose, send Sexton/Collins for Simmons/Schroeder. Fanspro says this is a 5 game loser for Utah. It also clears a lot of money off the books going forward.
Brooklyn would probably be against it as rumor is they want financial flexibility moving forward.

Mavrelous wrote:I have Sexton as better player than CamJ, and CamJ is more injury prone, you can argue CamJ is more valuable because of position, but not by a lot...
Clarkson/1st for CamJ is intersting though.

Cam Johnson is EASILY the most valuable player in this deal, undersized shooting guards like Sexton who benefit from an enlarged role aren't all that valuable. Clarkson is negative value at this point, so unless it's a good first I wouldn't do it for the Nets.

wemby wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:I have Sexton as better player than CamJ, and CamJ is more injury prone, you can argue CamJ is more valuable because of position, but not by a lot...
Clarkson/1st for CamJ is intersting though.

Cam Johnson is EASILY the most valuable player in this deal, undersized shooting guards like Sexton who benefit from an enlarged role aren't all that valuable. Clarkson is negative value at this point, so unless it's a good first I wouldn't do it for the Nets.

As opposed to tweener forwards who aren't really fit to guard quick perimeter players or strong players and don't rebound well?
Both players have flaws, both have utility, both are best used as 6th men and not starters.
I value Sexton rim pressure and 3 level scoring more than CamJo shooting and size.

Mavrelous wrote:

wemby wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:I have Sexton as better player than CamJ, and CamJ is more injury prone, you can argue CamJ is more valuable because of position, but not by a lot...
Clarkson/1st for CamJ is intersting though.

Cam Johnson is EASILY the most valuable player in this deal, undersized shooting guards like Sexton who benefit from an enlarged role aren't all that valuable. Clarkson is negative value at this point, so unless it's a good first I wouldn't do it for the Nets.

As opposed to tweener forwards who aren't really fit to guard quick perimeter players or strong players and don't rebound well?
Both players have flaws, both have utility, both are best used as 6th men and not starters.
I value Sexton rim pressure and 3 level scoring more than CamJo shooting and size.

Yes, 6'7" combo forwards who can shoot the 3 at an elite rate with good volume and aren't defensive liabilities are much more valuable than 6'0.5" shooting guards who stat pad on bad teams, it's a hell of a lot easier to slot Cam Johnson into any winning team than it is to do the same with Sexton, in fact only one of them has proven he can be a contributor on a very good team, and it isn't the one you're advocating for. Not particularly close either.

wemby wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:

wemby wrote:Cam Johnson is EASILY the most valuable player in this deal, undersized shooting guards like Sexton who benefit from an enlarged role aren't all that valuable. Clarkson is negative value at this point, so unless it's a good first I wouldn't do it for the Nets.

As opposed to tweener forwards who aren't really fit to guard quick perimeter players or strong players and don't rebound well?
Both players have flaws, both have utility, both are best used as 6th men and not starters.
I value Sexton rim pressure and 3 level scoring more than CamJo shooting and size.

Yes, 6'7" combo forwards who can shoot the 3 at an elite rate with good volume and aren't defensive liabilities are much more valuable than 6'0.5" shooting guards who stat pad on bad teams, it's a hell of a lot easier to slot Cam Johnson into any winning team than it is to do the same with Sexton, in fact only one of them has proven he can be a contributor on a very good team, and it isn't the one you're advocating for. Not particularly close either.

I don't credit Suns success for their 6th man, it's more probable that Suns would have success with Sexton as their 6th man than CamJo being the difference make, as evident by his not spectaular result in Brooklyn.
I disagree with your take, while I don't feel that strongly about it, and do understand if someone prefers CamJo, I am confident you were hyperbolic in declaring CamJo as easily the best player and in upper case nonetheless.

wemby wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:

wemby wrote:Cam Johnson is EASILY the most valuable player in this deal, undersized shooting guards like Sexton who benefit from an enlarged role aren't all that valuable. Clarkson is negative value at this point, so unless it's a good first I wouldn't do it for the Nets.

As opposed to tweener forwards who aren't really fit to guard quick perimeter players or strong players and don't rebound well?
Both players have flaws, both have utility, both are best used as 6th men and not starters.
I value Sexton rim pressure and 3 level scoring more than CamJo shooting and size.

Yes, 6'7" combo forwards who can shoot the 3 at an elite rate with good volume and aren't defensive liabilities are much more valuable than 6'0.5" shooting guards who stat pad on bad teams, it's a hell of a lot easier to slot Cam Johnson into any winning team than it is to do the same with Sexton, in fact only one of them has proven he can be a contributor on a very good team, and it isn't the one you're advocating for. Not particularly close either.

If you are calling out warts, let's not forget that Cam Johnson is a very poor rebounder.