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POR Gets: Kevin Huerter, Keegan Murray, Trey Lyles, & Jalen McDaniels
POR Gives: Jerami Grant, Deni Avdija, & Toumani Camara
Why for POR? The Blazers land a blue chip prospect in Murray who they would have more control over than Avdija since Murray is still on his rookie contract. They also move off of Grant’s large deal and get a couple expirings and Huerter who only has 2 years left and could be flipped for some value. Oh and the Murray twins are united!

PG - Henderson / Banton
SG - Simons/ Thybulle / Rupert
SF - Sharpe / Huerter / Walker / McDaniels
PF - Murray / Lyles / Murray
C - Ayton / Clingan / Williams / Reath

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SAC Gets: Jerami Grant, Deni Avdija, & Toumani Camara
SAC Gives: Kevin Huerter, Keegan Murray, Trey Lyles, & Jalen McDaniels
Why for SAC? Grant could be a great fit next to Sabonis with his size, length, athleticism, shooting, rim protection, and defense (with a reduced offensive role). He’d also slot in as a secondary scorer behind guys like Fox & DeRozan. Avdija gives them another big wing defender who can do a bit of everything and at 24 years old, could continue to get better. I think SAC is due more compensation but I think this roster could actually be better this year than the one currently constructed. I could also see DeRozan moving to the bench in a year or two to be a super sub allowing Avdija to start at SF.

PG - Fox / Monk / McLaughlin
SG - Ellis / Carter / Jones
SF - DeRozan / Avdija
PF - Grant / Camara
C - Sabonis / Len / Robinson

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Not a chance with Deni (or Camara) in the trade.

Maybe Murray is more valuable than Deni but I think he fits less of what we need.

Deni is younger than Keegan, was the better player last year, and is a bit more dynamic of a player. He's locked up on a super cheap deal for the next 4 years.

Yeah, there's a chance he regresses from last year, but Keegan hasn't improved as much as people have hoped as well.

Weird trade, I'd have Deni as far more valuable given Keegan's next contract will likely be at least double Denis.

If we weren't trading Keegan in a Markannen deal, I doubt we will in a Grant/Avdija deal

Our FO highly believes in him, we will see if what they see comes to fruition

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Not a chance with Deni (or Camara) in the trade.

Maybe Murray is more valuable than Deni but I think he fits less of what we need.

We can swap Camara out for Walker. It was just to give SAC some more forward depth since we’re trading 4 SFs/PFs and only getting 2 back.

Waynearchetype wrote:Deni is younger than Keegan, was the better player last year, and is a bit more dynamic of a player. He's locked up on a super cheap deal for the next 4 years.

Yeah, there's a chance he regresses from last year, but Keegan hasn't improved as much as people have hoped as well.

Weird trade, I'd have Deni as far more valuable given Keegan's next contract will likely be at least double Denis.

Murray improved plenty for most Kings fans. I’m not sure what that comment is in relation too. His defensive improvement was by far the biggest change from his rookie year as he is easily a plus defender now who can guard multiple positions very well. He also showed improvements in finishing (he apparently added to his vertical the previous offseason and I believe it), midrange game, and iso game.

His 3PT% did drop last year which is maybe why a lot of people look at his box score and say he didn’t improve much. However, I think a lot of that had to do with the amount of energy he was exerting on the defensive end. He was essentially the only plus defender in the starting lineup (Fox was average until he dialed it up in crunch time, Huerter was below average, Barnes was below average, and Sabonis is average). Brown had Murray guarding the teams best offensive player most of the time. Even guys like Curry, D. Mitchell, etc.

On top of that huge increase in defensive energy/responsibility, he was also asked to increase his offensive role as well. I’m sure Murray is putting a lot of emphasis this offseason on his body and conditioning to be that 2 way monster we hope he becomes but he also has some more defensive help this year to help share the load. Starting Ellis at SG gives the Kings another elite defender who is perfect at guarding those quicker 1s and 2s which could allow Murray to reserve some of that energy for the offensive end. Also, Carter is another great defensive option to throw at teams best offensive players (when he’s back from injury) to help save Murray’s legs even more.

I’m excited to see Murray’s development this year as I think there is a lot going for him…

1.) A better understanding of the conditioning needed to be a 2 way monster
2.) Having more help defensively this year which should help save his legs for the offensive end more
3.) He was in the 92nd percentile in iso scoring last season but on small volume. With Fox and now DeRozan mentoring him, I’m excited to see what else he has added to his bag this year

I’m another Portland fan that doesn’t do this. I think Keegan’s next contract starting in 2 years will be more expensive than the the 4 year contract Deni is locked into, which gives Portland more time to figure out roster stuff on the cheap with Deni before having to commit to restrictive movements. Even ignoring that, I like Deni’s skill set more overall by a hair. Of the remaining players in the trade Toumani is the only one I would want to commit to the team’s future. So give me the 2 long term pieces of Deni and Camara over Keegan. I then think that despite the contract, Blazers are more likely to land a 1st with Grant than the remaining players in this trade.

Murray is a fine player. Hard to say no to that kind of talent but Avdija is a very solid 2 way tslent and in a great contract.

JRoy wrote:Murray is a fine player. Hard to say no to that kind of talent but Avdija is a very solid 2 way tslent and in a great contract.

Have you ever accepted a proposed Blazers deal? If so please post a link. I mean that someone else proposed, not you or another Blazers fan.

wegotthabeet wrote:

JRoy wrote:Murray is a fine player. Hard to say no to that kind of talent but Avdija is a very solid 2 way tslent and in a great contract.

Have you ever accepted a proposed Blazers deal? If so please post a link. I mean that someone else proposed, not you or another Blazers fan.

It's rare, but Ive seen it.

wegotthabeet wrote:

JRoy wrote:Murray is a fine player. Hard to say no to that kind of talent but Avdija is a very solid 2 way tslent and in a great contract.

Have you ever accepted a proposed Blazers deal? If so please post a link. I mean that someone else proposed, not you or another Blazers fan.

I have, on the rare occasions I have seen a deal that helps my team.

Over 90% of the deals involving my team do not, or do not help enough to offset the cost.

Maybe more than 90%.

wegotthabeet wrote:

JRoy wrote:Murray is a fine player. Hard to say no to that kind of talent but Avdija is a very solid 2 way tslent and in a great contract.

Have you ever accepted a proposed Blazers deal? If so please post a link. I mean that someone else proposed, not you or another Blazers fan.

I don't know about trades as I haven't paid enough attention to his responses or blazer trades, but ive seen him post some serious non homer stuff. He was downplaying Simons like year and a half ago when he was first going off offensively, and was even somewhat despondent on Scoot last summer when he was the talk of the town and 95% of the board was laughing at Charlotte. I don't know how many Blazer fans would do that. Trades are a different animal though on what you perceive as the market and not just your player

Waynearchetype wrote:Deni is younger than Keegan, was the better player last year, and is a bit more dynamic of a player. He's locked up on a super cheap deal for the next 4 years.

Yeah, there's a chance he regresses from last year, but Keegan hasn't improved as much as people have hoped as well.

Weird trade, I'd have Deni as far more valuable given Keegan's next contract will likely be at least double Denis.

Keegan broke the three point record for rookies than proceeded to show all nba level defense and is able to defend 1-5. Keegan fits any system he’s in the mood of klay thompson nobody would trade Keegan for Deni


The same Keegan that showed all nba defensive play last year, can defend 1-4, shot 41% his rookie year breaking the rookie record, and can be a potential second scorer without needing the ball like klay thompson

BoogieTime wrote:

wegotthabeet wrote:

JRoy wrote:Murray is a fine player. Hard to say no to that kind of talent but Avdija is a very solid 2 way tslent and in a great contract.

Have you ever accepted a proposed Blazers deal? If so please post a link. I mean that someone else proposed, not you or another Blazers fan.

I don't know about trades as I haven't paid enough attention to his responses or blazer trades, but ive seen him post some serious non homer stuff. He was downplaying Simons like year and a half ago when he was first going off offensively, and was even somewhat despondent on Scoot last summer when he was the talk of the town and 95% of the board was laughing at Charlotte. I don't know how many Blazer fans would do that. Trades are a different animal though on what you perceive as the market and not just your player

JRoy is a great poster agreed. Hard to impress but fair and not bias.

The title of the thread states this is an unrealistic trade, and someone gets upset because JROY disapproved the trade? Hilarious! The guy has approved many trades over the years. Granted, he has declined more (just off the top of my head) but he's either more realistic or a homer. It doesn't really matter.

Blazers trading way too much value here for Keegan Murray. No thank you

I'd rather keep Keegan if I were the Kings.

For me what tips this trade too far in SAC's favor is including Camara in the deal. He's an older second year player, but he was impactful as a rookie and he'll be an extremely valuable player if the outside shooting he showed after the all-star break continues this season. Like someone else said, if you replace Camara with Jabari Walker, this trade looks more even.

That being said, I don't think Portland would be interested in giving minutes to Huerter, Lyles, or McDaniels. I bet Cronin would prefer just flipping Grant for a FRP when the time comes. Really just depends on how the FO views Murray compared to Avdija as a prospect. I personally think the talent gap between them is too narrow to warrant this kind of trade considering Avdija's contract.

Deni is younger than Keegan and will be much cheaper once Keegan gets his next deal. I also strongly believe he is better in all facets of the game outside 3PT shooting.

PDX also really likes Camara.

Realistically Debi isn’t getting moved right after we traded 2 FRP for him. And I doubt SAC wants to move Murray either.

BlazersBroncos wrote:Deni is younger than Keegan and will be much cheaper once Keegan gets his next deal. I also strongly believe he is better in all facets of the game outside 3PT shooting.

PDX also really likes Camara.

Realistically Debi isn’t getting moved right after we traded 2 FRP for him. And I doubt SAC wants to move Murray either.

Seriously do people just not watch games or something Keegan is one of the best wing defenders in the league