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With Jamal Murray’s extension most of Denver’s core is locked up long term. The only one who isn’t is Gordon. If Denver is worried about getting priced out and losing him for nobody they could look to trade him. They’ll likely not get a good 1 for 1 swap so the next best option would be turning their dollar into 2 50 cent pieces which should help their depth issue too.

With that in mind, who are some great targets for an AG trade that are under contract for a few more years?

Mamba4Goat wrote:With Jamal Murray’s extension most of Denver’s core is locked up long term. The only one who isn’t is Gordon. If Denver is worried about getting priced out and losing him for nobody they could look to trade him. They’ll likely not get a good 1 for 1 swap so the next best option would be turning their dollar into 2 50 cent pieces which should help their depth issue too.

With that in mind, who are some great targets for an AG trade that are under contract for a few more years?

I was thinking about this recently, it could make sense transforming Gordon into cheaper assets.

Gordon for Carter/Ellis/pick with either Huerter or Lyles/McDaniels

Fox/DDR/Murray/Gordon/Sabonis. Have to try that if possible for Sac.

Denver can package the pick for another upgrade.

Gordon is the key to their defense. They are trading MPJ before dealing him imo. It's alot easier/cheaper to find 3 pt shooters these days.

Godaddycurse wrote:Gordon is the key to their defense. They are trading MPJ before dealing him imo. It's alot easier/cheaper to find 3 pt shooters these days.

And it’s a lot harder to trade a player that is owed 115M with real career ending injury concerns.

Denver won't trade AG, but the topic is OK just to see his value on the market.

I would imagine they'd look really hard for deals for MPJ before entertaining AG. Even if trades that break up MPJ undoubtedly bring back worse players, the things he currently brings to the team are easier to recreate in the aggregate than AG and his defense.

DEN can probably get off Porter and alleviate their financial concerns.

However, in the event that Porter's value is equal to Zach Lavines... this thread is necessary.

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:Gordon is the key to their defense. They are trading MPJ before dealing him imo. It's alot easier/cheaper to find 3 pt shooters these days.

And it’s a lot harder to trade a player that is owed 115M with real career ending injury concerns.

I think the difficulty of trading MPJ is overstated on this board. There's a lot of teams who would like to add a 6-10 forward who can score 20 a night and shoots 40% from three on volume. His contract and/or injury history will scare some teams off, but it only takes one at the end of the day.

I'd rather give expirings for MPJ than expirings plus multiple assets for Cam Johnson

the_process wrote:DEN can probably get off Porter and alleviate their financial concerns.

However, in the event that Porter's value is equal to Zach Lavines... this thread is necessary.

How is Denver getting off Porter? (okay maybe the Pistons would do it). But I don't think I've seen a fan of a team proposing they trade for Porter here. Lavine is a better player, though the health is a very fair question. Bottom line, I think Porter is worth less/more negative.

I agree with Porter being the one who needs to be traded 1st, 4 team trade ( wizards , raptors, hawks , nuggets )

Raptors get - Porter

Hawks get - Bruce Brown

wizards get - Chris Boucher + Zeke Nnaji + Julian Stawther ( future draft compensation)

Nuggets get -
- Bogdon Bogdonovic
- Malcom Brogdon

SNPA wrote:

Mamba4Goat wrote:With Jamal Murray’s extension most of Denver’s core is locked up long term. The only one who isn’t is Gordon. If Denver is worried about getting priced out and losing him for nobody they could look to trade him. They’ll likely not get a good 1 for 1 swap so the next best option would be turning their dollar into 2 50 cent pieces which should help their depth issue too.

With that in mind, who are some great targets for an AG trade that are under contract for a few more years?

I was thinking about this recently, it could make sense transforming Gordon into cheaper assets.

Gordon for Carter/Ellis/pick with either Huerter or Lyles/McDaniels

Fox/DDR/Murray/Gordon/Sabonis. Have to try that if possible for Sac.

Denver can package the pick for another upgrade.

Quoting myself

Ellis, Carter and a Sac first plus rotation player converted into a piece like Beef Stew (Huerter/1st or Lyles/1st is a good deal for Detroit) actually makes sense for Denver at this point.

Porter for cheap quality assets will come with less assets and more bad salary. Porter is good, but the risk is very high for a non star. Teams won’t pay up the way Denver would need.

This would require some commitment from Gordon. He is a FA this summer. Sac is paying a very solid price, they’d need reassurance and to be prepared to go all in on that lineup. It’s a point of no return trade (PONRT).

I think MPJ could have a market.

He's young and fits teams as an offball guy

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:Gordon is the key to their defense. They are trading MPJ before dealing him imo. It's alot easier/cheaper to find 3 pt shooters these days.

And it’s a lot harder to trade a player that is owed 115M with real career ending injury concerns.

I’ve been saying this exactly and PJ will likely get broken into smaller chunks...ideally with some component of expiring salary.


The idea I put out was:

Michael Porter Jr
for
Bruce Brown + Kelly Olynyk + Ochai Agbaji

You get a supersub back, a backup 4/5, and a young bench 2/3 defender.

MPJ is super expensive for Toronto given the rest of their guys are locked up. But the talent is there.


Another version is also available, if Denver wants to duck the tax and free up space for a minimum vet:

Michael Porter Jr + Zeke Nnaji + DaRon Holmes
for
Bruce Brown + Kelly Olynyk + ‘26 IND 1st

You dump the contracts of Nnaji/Holmes and the tax.
You get a supersub back, a backup 4/5, and a future 1st.
Free up space for a strategic vet min signing.




I think deal #2 is more of a chess play. If they get the right vet min, that can really pay off both this year, but also in future years in terms of salary cap + draft flexibility.

Laimbeer wrote:

the_process wrote:DEN can probably get off Porter and alleviate their financial concerns.

However, in the event that Porter's value is equal to Zach Lavines... this thread is necessary.

How is Denver getting off Porter? (okay maybe the Pistons would do it). But I don't think I've seen a fan of a team proposing they trade for Porter here. Lavine is a better player, though the health is a very fair question. Bottom line, I think Porter is worth less/more negative.

I would disagree with this. MPJ is an offball player, which means he can fit on a lot more teams and be effective than Lavine can. Lavine is a classic case of a guy who raises your floor but lowers your ceiling because he needs the ball in his hands to be effective but isn't good enough to be the #1 guy on a contender (and doesn't do enough other things well to succeed lower in the pecking order).

We've seen MPJ be a key part of a championship team. We haven't seen Lavine be a key part of a team that makes a deep playoff run.

I actually like all of Grant Williams, Josh Green, Vasilije Micic as targets for Denver to build up their depth, but they just have nothing to offer a rebuilding team and I don't think we're a good Gordon destination. more likely you get a 3rd team offering something nice for Gordon/MPJ and then a portion of the package goes our way for some combo of role players. I have no idea what a Gordon or Porter trade gets Denver that actually improves their team however. Gordon has kind of proven to be a perfect fit in a limited role with Jokic but not that good elsewhere. And of course Porter's value is limited at best with his injury history.

I don't think it would happen, but I think it's interesting.

Aaron Gordon for Jaden McDaniels

gswhoops wrote:

Laimbeer wrote:

the_process wrote:DEN can probably get off Porter and alleviate their financial concerns.

However, in the event that Porter's value is equal to Zach Lavines... this thread is necessary.

How is Denver getting off Porter? (okay maybe the Pistons would do it). But I don't think I've seen a fan of a team proposing they trade for Porter here. Lavine is a better player, though the health is a very fair question. Bottom line, I think Porter is worth less/more negative.

I would disagree with this. MPJ is an offball player, which means he can fit on a lot more teams and be effective than Lavine can. Lavine is a classic case of a guy who raises your floor but lowers your ceiling because he needs the ball in his hands to be effective but isn't good enough to be the #1 guy on a contender (and doesn't do enough other things well to succeed lower in the pecking order).

We've seen MPJ be a key part of a championship team. We haven't seen Lavine be a key part of a team that makes a deep playoff run.

Lavine is deadly on open threes and a great cutter. He plays on ball because of the team he's on. He'd be amazing with Jokic, much more so than MPJ who is basically a $40M spot up shooter. I mean, are you seriously going to rank MPJ higher because he's gone farther in the playoffs?

Laimbeer wrote:

the_process wrote:DEN can probably get off Porter and alleviate their financial concerns.

However, in the event that Porter's value is equal to Zach Lavines... this thread is necessary.

How is Denver getting off Porter? (okay maybe the Pistons would do it). But I don't think I've seen a fan of a team proposing they trade for Porter here. Lavine is a better player, though the health is a very fair question. Bottom line, I think Porter is worth less/more negative.

He, he funny thing is not one trade idea with MPJ here was made by Denver fans for a long time. And on every one of them you comment how you don't wan't him in Detroit. OK, we don't want to trade him. But if no one wanted MPJ how we had so many trade ideas in which you commented.

Ah, and MPJ is way better player than Lavine. MPJ was starting small forward on championship winning team, Lavine is carrier stat padder, losing player. Not many players could contribute to championship winning team.

Klomp wrote:I don't think it would happen, but I think it's interesting.

Aaron Gordon for Jaden McDaniels

It won't happen, neither Nuggets nor Wolfes fans would want this to happen, but I think this is a fair trade proposal

Klomp wrote:I don't think it would happen, but I think it's interesting.

Aaron Gordon for Jaden McDaniels

dont think wolves can afford gordon's next contract along w/ Reid's