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redslastlaugh wrote:I like it for both sides. I think Miami should get another pick since they get to overpay Kuminga. But it solves both teams main problem. So it’s a decent framework for a trade, IMO

MessiahUjiri wrote:This is inspired by a previous MIA thread. Here’s the supporting context:

- Neither Miami or Golden State are good enough to compete, but they are too good to tank. Hence a trade desire is there

- Golden State is considerably older, Miami younger. We can do an old for young trade to match core timelines

- Miami probably doesn’t wanna pay Jimmy Butler for his age 36+ contract. Golden State hasn’t come to an agreement with Kuminga, who shows all star potential.

GSW:
Steph / Buddy / Jimmy / Draymond / Looney

Miami:
Rozier / Robinson / Wiggins / Kuminga / Bam

Crymson wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:This is inspired by a previous MIA thread. Here’s the supporting context:

- Neither Miami or Golden State are good enough to compete, but they are too good to tank. Hence a trade desire is there

- Golden State is considerably older, Miami younger. We can do an old for young trade to match core timelines

- Miami probably doesn’t wanna pay Jimmy Butler for his age 36+ contract. Golden State hasn’t come to an agreement with Kuminga, who shows all star potential.

Miami will always be good enough to contend with Butler and Bam on the roster and Spoelstra at the helm. The Heat also don't own their 2025 and 2027 1sts, so getting significantly worse now makes absolutely no sense for them.

In any case, that's a terrible return for the Heat. Kuminga is still a bad shooter with an uncertain future and Wiggins is bad salary.

This would probably improve the Warriors, but Butler and Draymond are an awful fit.

GSW:
Steph / Buddy / Jimmy / Draymond / Looney

This is a very minor point in the context of the larger discussion, but Draymond would need to play center in this lineup. Two shooters is most certainly not going to cut it.

Miami:
Rozier / Robinson / Wiggins / Kuminga / Bam

Miami gets to be a bad team with no first-round pick.

MessiahUjiri wrote:The trade:

Jimmy Butler
for
Jonathan Kuminga, Andrew Wiggins, Gary Payton, ‘25 1st (lotto protected)

HornetJail wrote:who even makes plays for that new Heat lineup? Trying to force Bam into a Jokic/Sabonis role? As a division rival who owns a future Miami pick, I think they should try this for the next 4 years

Skybox wrote:People seem concerned about paying 21 year old Kuminga? How about 35 year old oft-injured Butler?

I think the OP is very interesting. Butler is a great player but you could easily find yourself paying him a 4 year max for one more run at a ring…and I’m not even sure he fits as an up and down, never high-volume floor spreader. I also value Wiggins for a rebound, especially as a bit of a throw-in. It could work out very well for either or both teams …I’m just saying I disagree with those suggesting that MIA should get more or hang up.

BBallFreak wrote:

Skybox wrote:People seem concerned about paying 21 year old Kuminga? How about 35 year old oft-injured Butler?

I think the OP is very interesting. Butler is a great player but you could easily find yourself paying him a 4 year max for one more run at a ring…and I’m not even sure he fits as an up and down, never high-volume floor spreader. I also value Wiggins for a rebound, especially as a bit of a throw-in. It could work out very well for either or both teams …I’m just saying I disagree with those suggesting that MIA should get more or hang up.

You're free to disagree, but Wiggins is not seen as a good contract by anyone. Part of this is them paying to get off of that deal. And then we have to pay Kuminga which explodes our cap sheet. That's where the problem lies. The one piece worth keeping is going to push us into the second apron because of Wiggins. We'd need a second first just to get off of Wiggins...

babyjax13 wrote:

BBallFreak wrote:

Skybox wrote:People seem concerned about paying 21 year old Kuminga? How about 35 year old oft-injured Butler?

I think the OP is very interesting. Butler is a great player but you could easily find yourself paying him a 4 year max for one more run at a ring…and I’m not even sure he fits as an up and down, never high-volume floor spreader. I also value Wiggins for a rebound, especially as a bit of a throw-in. It could work out very well for either or both teams …I’m just saying I disagree with those suggesting that MIA should get more or hang up.

You're free to disagree, but Wiggins is not seen as a good contract by anyone. Part of this is them paying to get off of that deal. And then we have to pay Kuminga which explodes our cap sheet. That's where the problem lies. The one piece worth keeping is going to push us into the second apron because of Wiggins. We'd need a second first just to get off of Wiggins...

I think you can get off him for one with the right team. Maybe Dallas or some other team desperately needing a 3+D wing should be included here. I suspect that, as unfortunate and sad as it is, there will be less mental and emotional energy for Wiggins in trying to take care of his father. Death can be like that. So, I think there is a reasonable chance he is better this year, even if he's not some homerun. I think someone would roll the dice (Dallas, LAL, etc.).