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TOR out: Poeltl + Boucher (+ Fernando)
TOR in: Goga + Missi (+ Cole Anthony + G. Harris)

ORL out: Goga + Cole Anthony (+ G. Harris)
ORL in: McCullom + Theis

NOP out: McCullom + Missi + Theis
NOP in: Poeltl + Boucher (+ Fernando)
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TOR eyes long-term development rather than trying to win every game. Goga is a suitable replacement for Poeltl on a good contract, and Missi is an interesting, athletic C rookie prospect from Cameroon which Masai loves. They take on Cole A.'s contract, but it's a realtively manageable low number, and he could add an energizing scoring/playmaking pop off the bench. Harris comes in as a veteran expiring contract to make salary matching work, could be bought out/waived afterwards. *Note: this trade would put them at 16 players, so they would need to include another player (Temple or Achbaji) to NOP, or just cut them, to make this trade work.
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ORL gets a veteran scoring guard who's an elite off-ball 3 pt. shooter for the playoff stretch. With their well-managed cap sheet, they should be able to manage his inflated contract that becomes an expiring next season. After transitioning to a bench role in NOP, he comes in to ORL ready to serve as a high-level 6th man. CJ replaces Anthony's role at a higher level, and Harris outgoing clears way for more development roles for Jett, Black, and TDS. They give up no picks while shaving off the 3rd year of Anthony's contract. Theis comes in as Goga's replacement, boosting the team chemistry with the German bonds with the Wagner bros.
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NOP negiotiates favorable extensions with Ingram (reshapes his game to shoot more 3's) and Murphy, and clear out McCollum's contract before the offseason to make it happen. They cut about 15m in salary next year with CJ/Missi out in place of Poeltl, while gaining Poeltl's starting caliber Center production of setting hard screens, passing from the high post, and protecting the paint on D. Boucher and Fernando come in as expiring salary backups who could play solid depth roles.
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ORL:

WCJ/ Wagner/ Theis
Paulo/ Isaac
Wagner/ TDS
KCP/ CJ/ Jett/ Houstan
Suggs/ Black/ Joseph
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TOR:

Goga/ Olynyk/ Missi
Barnes/ Mogbo
Barrett/ Brown
Gradey/ Harris/ Walter
Quickley/ Anthony/ Davion/ Shead
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NOP:

Poeltl/ Fernando/ Matkovic
Zion/ Boucher/ JRE
Ingram/ Herb/ JeVonte
Murphy/ Hawkins/ Reeves
Murray/ Jose

ORL won't take on this much salary next year, they'll likely waive at least 2 of Wagner, Cole Anthony and Harris to make room fro Suggs extention.
I also don't see the point fro TOR, It's rather ride with Poeltl.

Mavrelous wrote:ORL won't take on this much salary next year, they'll likely waive at least 2 of Wagner, Cole Anthony and Harris to make room fro Suggs extention.
I also don't see the point fro TOR, It's rather ride with Poeltl.

Cole Anthony has a guaranteed salary of 13.1m next season... so it's unlikely they would waive him. And the other 2 players you mentioned have team options, so they wouldn't be waived-- their TO would be declined.

Next season, Franz Wagner goes up to 38.7m, KCP at 21.6m, then Isaac goes down to 15m, WCJ at 10.9, Black at 8m, Mo at 11m TO, Jett at 5.5...
On quick glance, minus Anthony and Goga salaries,
it seems like they could fit in Suggs around 25m and McCullom's expiring 30m and be just under the luxury tax. But maybe not.

The point for TOR would be to get younger and more developmental on their "rebuilding" timeline. Someone suggested two 2nds go to TOR to balance value, and maybe ORL sends those. Missi is from Cameroon, so Masai can't resist getting the next Siakam/Embiid hybrid.

YayBasketball wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:ORL won't take on this much salary next year, they'll likely waive at least 2 of Wagner, Cole Anthony and Harris to make room fro Suggs extention.
I also don't see the point fro TOR, It's rather ride with Poeltl.

Cole Anthony has a guaranteed salary of 13.1m next season... so it's unlikely they would waive him. And the other 2 players you mentioned have team options, so they wouldn't be waived-- their TO would be declined.

Next season, Franz Wagner goes up to 38.7m, KCP at 21.6m, then Isaac goes down to 15m, WCJ at 10.9, Black at 8m, Mo at 11m TO, Jett at 5.5...
On quick glance, minus Anthony and Goga salaries,
it seems like they could fit in Suggs around 25m and McCullom's expiring 30m and be just under the luxury tax. But maybe not.

The point for TOR would be to get younger and more developmental on their "rebuilding" timeline. Someone suggested two 2nds go to TOR to balance value, and maybe ORL sends those. Missi is from Cameroon, so Masai can't resist getting the next Siakam/Embiid hybrid.

Sorry, you're right, he's non guaranteed in the year after it...

NO shouldn't be able to unload one of the worst contracts in the league, not give up a pick, and address their biggest need in one swoop

YayBasketball wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:ORL won't take on this much salary next year, they'll likely waive at least 2 of Wagner, Cole Anthony and Harris to make room fro Suggs extention.
I also don't see the point fro TOR, It's rather ride with Poeltl.

Cole Anthony has a guaranteed salary of 13.1m next season... so it's unlikely they would waive him. And the other 2 players you mentioned have team options, so they wouldn't be waived-- their TO would be declined.

Next season, Franz Wagner goes up to 38.7m, KCP at 21.6m, then Isaac goes down to 15m, WCJ at 10.9, Black at 8m, Mo at 11m TO, Jett at 5.5...
On quick glance, minus Anthony and Goga salaries,
it seems like they could fit in Suggs around 25m and McCullom's expiring 30m and be just under the luxury tax. But maybe not.

The point for TOR would be to get younger and more developmental on their "rebuilding" timeline. Someone suggested two 2nds go to TOR to balance value, and maybe ORL sends those. Missi is from Cameroon, so Masai can't resist getting the next Siakam/Embiid hybrid.

I can see a trade between these teams.

NOP probably wants to trade Ingram before CJ though.

And Toronto needs another minor incentive like you mentioned. Toronto can also take on salaries (eg Isaac). Maybe Orlando sends them the worse of ‘25 Orl/Den 1st, or New Orleans sends them a pick.

MessiahUjiri wrote:

YayBasketball wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:ORL won't take on this much salary next year, they'll likely waive at least 2 of Wagner, Cole Anthony and Harris to make room fro Suggs extention.
I also don't see the point fro TOR, It's rather ride with Poeltl.

Cole Anthony has a guaranteed salary of 13.1m next season... so it's unlikely they would waive him. And the other 2 players you mentioned have team options, so they wouldn't be waived-- their TO would be declined.

Next season, Franz Wagner goes up to 38.7m, KCP at 21.6m, then Isaac goes down to 15m, WCJ at 10.9, Black at 8m, Mo at 11m TO, Jett at 5.5...
On quick glance, minus Anthony and Goga salaries,
it seems like they could fit in Suggs around 25m and McCullom's expiring 30m and be just under the luxury tax. But maybe not.

The point for TOR would be to get younger and more developmental on their "rebuilding" timeline. Someone suggested two 2nds go to TOR to balance value, and maybe ORL sends those. Missi is from Cameroon, so Masai can't resist getting the next Siakam/Embiid hybrid.

I can see a trade between these teams.

NOP probably wants to trade Ingram before CJ though.

And Toronto needs another minor incentive like you mentioned. Toronto can also take on salaries (eg Isaac). Maybe Orlando sends them the worse of ‘25 Orl/Den 1st, or New Orleans sends them a pick.

just wondering how isaac name fits that you wrote? are you saying cap dump? for cj? and/or magic add first for cj also?

daoneandonly wrote:NO shouldn't be able to unload one of the worst contracts in the league, not give up a pick, and address their biggest need in one swoop

I don't see CJ as one of the worst contract in the NBA, when you have Zach Lavine, Bradley Beal, Jordan Poole as SG's right off the
top of my head. Now I don't see why ORL would want CJ as a $30 M backup. And in NOP is counting on Poeltl to protect the paint
they are in for a long year.

orlando_joe wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

YayBasketball wrote:Cole Anthony has a guaranteed salary of 13.1m next season... so it's unlikely they would waive him. And the other 2 players you mentioned have team options, so they wouldn't be waived-- their TO would be declined.

Next season, Franz Wagner goes up to 38.7m, KCP at 21.6m, then Isaac goes down to 15m, WCJ at 10.9, Black at 8m, Mo at 11m TO, Jett at 5.5...
On quick glance, minus Anthony and Goga salaries,
it seems like they could fit in Suggs around 25m and McCullom's expiring 30m and be just under the luxury tax. But maybe not.

The point for TOR would be to get younger and more developmental on their "rebuilding" timeline. Someone suggested two 2nds go to TOR to balance value, and maybe ORL sends those. Missi is from Cameroon, so Masai can't resist getting the next Siakam/Embiid hybrid.

I can see a trade between these teams.

NOP probably wants to trade Ingram before CJ though.

And Toronto needs another minor incentive like you mentioned. Toronto can also take on salaries (eg Isaac). Maybe Orlando sends them the worse of ‘25 Orl/Den 1st, or New Orleans sends them a pick.

just wondering how isaac name fits that you wrote? are you saying cap dump? for cj? and/or magic add first for cj also?

Isaac gets paid $25M this year to be the backup of the #1 option in Orlando (Banchero). He is also injury prone, and his contract is structured to be an ideal trade bait (declining in future years).

He can be the perfect outgoing salary piece. Then they have flexibility in who else they want to send out, between Cole Anthony, Gary Harris, and Goga

MessiahUjiri wrote:

orlando_joe wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

I can see a trade between these teams.

NOP probably wants to trade Ingram before CJ though.

And Toronto needs another minor incentive like you mentioned. Toronto can also take on salaries (eg Isaac). Maybe Orlando sends them the worse of ‘25 Orl/Den 1st, or New Orleans sends them a pick.

just wondering how isaac name fits that you wrote? are you saying cap dump? for cj? and/or magic add first for cj also?

Isaac gets paid $25M this year to be the backup of the #1 option in Orlando (Banchero). He is also injury prone, and his contract is structured to be an ideal trade bait (declining in future years).

He can be the perfect outgoing salary piece. Then they have flexibility in who else they want to send out, between Cole Anthony, Gary Harris, and Goga

i think magic structured it for long term with injury protection more then ideal trade bait..had room under tax to overpay this season ..and see no way trade him for cj..i do not see them even trading cole and goga,harris for him ..am sure board see cole as neg value but do not think magic do at all at this point..do not think goga or harris are neg value as well and see how they would trade for cj negative contract ..yet you say magic may need to add a first ? were you saying isaac and goga plus a first? thats just crazy talk for cj

daoneandonly wrote:NO shouldn't be able to unload one of the worst contracts in the league, not give up a pick, and address their biggest need in one swoop

The problem with this trade is that Missi and Goga are probably the two best assets once you factor in salary, and they're both going to the Raptors.

Assuming that the Magic were willing to take back CJ, the Raptors would get cut out pretty quickly.

Rockazoids wrote:

daoneandonly wrote:NO shouldn't be able to unload one of the worst contracts in the league, not give up a pick, and address their biggest need in one swoop

I don't see CJ as one of the worst contract in the NBA, when you have Zach Lavine, Bradley Beal, Jordan Poole as SG's right off the
top of my head. Now I don't see why ORL would want CJ as a $30 M backup. And in NOP is counting on Poeltl to protect the paint
they are in for a long year.

CJ is in the mold of Lou Williams and Hamal Crawford. Fine to have off the bench, nowhere near 30 mil a year. So I'd personally put him in albatross territory

orlando_joe wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

orlando_joe wrote:just wondering how isaac name fits that you wrote? are you saying cap dump? for cj? and/or magic add first for cj also?

Isaac gets paid $25M this year to be the backup of the #1 option in Orlando (Banchero). He is also injury prone, and his contract is structured to be an ideal trade bait (declining in future years).

He can be the perfect outgoing salary piece. Then they have flexibility in who else they want to send out, between Cole Anthony, Gary Harris, and Goga

i think magic structured it for long term with injury protection more then ideal trade bait..had room under tax to overpay this season ..and see no way trade him for cj..i do not see them even trading cole and goga,harris for him ..am sure board see cole as neg value but do not think magic do at all at this point..do not think goga or harris are neg value as well and see how they would trade for cj negative contract ..yet you say magic may need to add a first ? were you saying isaac and goga plus a first? thats just crazy talk for cj

Yeah I think the trade is actually Ingram out of NOP, not CJ. Route him to Cleveland for Darius Garland.

Garland would look SO good in Orlando next to Suggs & Anthony Black. All young too.


Make it something like Isaac, 1st, and someone else like Goga/Cole.

Cool replies, dudes. Yea all the focus is on Ingram trades and that makes the most sense from a roster standpoint, but I can see BI lowering his contract demands to secure the money and stick with the group he likes-- and can see the Pels extending him to maintain the asset like they did with Jrue Holiday years ago. Which then they would need to offload McCullom's contract. Could do in the offseason, but then they lose any leverage if teams know they HAVE to trade CJM to make room for Murphy and Ingram's deals.

And sure CJM has an inflated contract, but he was one of the top 3 pt. shooters in attempts and percentage last season. That's valuable to a lit of teams. Contract becomes a moveable expiring next season.