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Nets trade Johnson
Cavs trade Niang/LeVert

Nets move off of Johnson to maximize money for 25 off-season (Simmons, LeVert, Bogdanovic, Shroeder, Williams, Watford all expire). Sharpe and Thomas do as well but will be resigned most likely. Payroll drops to $63M before resigns. Plus have 4 FRPs next year to restock the cupboard.

Cavs get an excellent outside shooter since they continue to fail at getting a SF to do it. Cavs also move under the tax.

I assume the Cavs do this, although I'd argue that adding a player like Cam, on that contract, to come off the bench in the playoffs, isn't good cap management.

The Nets pass however. This early in the season rebuilding teams don't make cut-your-losses type trades. My personal preference would be to target DFS with LeVert's expiring contract.

Needs a 3rd team to offer some value for LeVert, if not then I think the Nets will wait for a better offer especially with them eating another year of Niang. If I could get a late 1st or just some 2nds and expiring for Johnson I would do it.

Yeah, the incoming value isn't there for BRK.

If there is a 3rd team willing to pay for an expiring Levert, and send us useless expirings + youth assets, then maybe. But I see CJ staying this season unless someone bowls us over with an offer, we'll prioritize moving DFS, Bogs and Schröder first anyway.

Could probably throw in Emoni Bates and it solves Brooklyns problem for receiving a youth asset.

bgrep14 wrote:Could probably throw in Emoni Bates and it solves Brooklyns problem for receiving a youth asset.

If Bates had value, someone would've offered him at least a minimum NBA contract while he was an RFA this offseason.

Didn't the Nets already pass on Bates?

I do not see anywhere near the correct value here for BK. Of course CLE wants this. I do not see BK making this move unless multiple 1st round picks were involved.

JKiddy wrote:Didn't the Nets already pass on Bates?

I do not see anywhere near the correct value here for BK. Of course CLE wants this. I do not see BK making this move unless multiple 1st round picks were involved.

Cam is going to need to have an amazing bounce-back season to pull multiple 1st round picks from any trade partner. Right now there's a fair debate to be had as to whether he can start for a playoff team, and if not, whether he makes to much for a playoff team.

I would want Tyson, or at minimum Porter and a 2nd, to listen to this offer for Cam J. Or, switch the outgoing SF to DFS.

JKiddy wrote:Didn't the Nets already pass on Bates?

I do not see anywhere near the correct value here for BK. Of course CLE wants this. I do not see BK making this move unless multiple 1st round picks were involved.

I think everyone agrees the value is good for Cleveland/bad for Brooklyn, but you're having a laugh if you think you're getting multiple 1sts for Cam Johnson.

ecuhus1981 wrote:I would want Tyson, or at minimum Porter and a 2nd, to listen to this offer for Cam J. Or, switch the outgoing SF to DFS.

Adding Porter and a 2nd I'd probably do. But is Cam J a 3 or a 4 nowadays? I ask, because I haven't seen many Nets games the last year or 2. I might agree with JBK that the sensible compromise is to pivot to DFS who is apparently more available anyway.

axeman23 wrote:

ecuhus1981 wrote:I would want Tyson, or at minimum Porter and a 2nd, to listen to this offer for Cam J. Or, switch the outgoing SF to DFS.

Adding Porter and a 2nd I'd probably do. But is Cam J a 3 or a 4 nowadays? I ask, because I haven't seen many Nets games the last year or 2. I might agree with JBK that the sensible compromise is to pivot to DFS who is apparently more available anyway.

His best role on both sides is as a stretch 4. He can credibly guard PFs, as long as he plays in a drop scheme where he can funnel to a rim protecting C. And he can really shoot it, good for a SF but great for a PF.

ecuhus1981 wrote:

axeman23 wrote:

ecuhus1981 wrote:I would want Tyson, or at minimum Porter and a 2nd, to listen to this offer for Cam J. Or, switch the outgoing SF to DFS.

Adding Porter and a 2nd I'd probably do. But is Cam J a 3 or a 4 nowadays? I ask, because I haven't seen many Nets games the last year or 2. I might agree with JBK that the sensible compromise is to pivot to DFS who is apparently more available anyway.

His best role on both sides is as a stretch 4. He can credibly guard PFs, as long as he plays in a drop scheme where he can funnel to a rim protecting C. And he can really shoot it, good for a SF but great for a PF.

Thanks for the info. So from what you've said, and with the money he's on, looks like he'd either have to be starting 4 (Allen would have to be traded or be backup, which I'm not sure is justified), or with Cam J as the backup 4, that moves Dean Wade to more a full-time 3 which then probably puts too much on Mobley's shoulders defensively. Maybe DFS is the better target for everyone.

The purpose is not necessarily to get equal value back for the Nets. They are tanking this season and by the time they are decent, Johnson will be long gone. If it helps to tank while not adding money, that is the win for Brooklyn.

Just don't see any picks moving unless they are 2nds.

axeman23 wrote:

ecuhus1981 wrote:

axeman23 wrote:
Adding Porter and a 2nd I'd probably do. But is Cam J a 3 or a 4 nowadays? I ask, because I haven't seen many Nets games the last year or 2. I might agree with JBK that the sensible compromise is to pivot to DFS who is apparently more available anyway.

His best role on both sides is as a stretch 4. He can credibly guard PFs, as long as he plays in a drop scheme where he can funnel to a rim protecting C. And he can really shoot it, good for a SF but great for a PF.

Thanks for the info. So from what you've said, and with the money he's on, looks like he'd either have to be starting 4 (Allen would have to be traded or be backup, which I'm not sure is justified), or with Cam J as the backup 4, that moves Dean Wade to more a full-time 3 which then probably puts too much on Mobley's shoulders defensively. Maybe DFS is the better target for everyone.

I think Wade at the 3 would be fine if he could stay healthy. He is more mobile than Markkanen, who played the 3 in Cleveland, and plays very good Individual and team D imo. He just can't stay healthy.
I would definitely do Levert, Porter and a 2nd for Cam J yesterday.

gflem wrote:

axeman23 wrote:

ecuhus1981 wrote:His best role on both sides is as a stretch 4. He can credibly guard PFs, as long as he plays in a drop scheme where he can funnel to a rim protecting C. And he can really shoot it, good for a SF but great for a PF.

Thanks for the info. So from what you've said, and with the money he's on, looks like he'd either have to be starting 4 (Allen would have to be traded or be backup, which I'm not sure is justified), or with Cam J as the backup 4, that moves Dean Wade to more a full-time 3 which then probably puts too much on Mobley's shoulders defensively. Maybe DFS is the better target for everyone.

I think Wade at the 3 would be fine if he could stay healthy. He is more mobile than Markkanen, who played the 3 in Cleveland, and plays very good Individual and team D imo. He just can't stay healthy.
I would definitely do Levert, Porter and a 2nd for Cam J yesterday.

His defense isn't good enough to start in the playoffs. He didn't start for the Suns. In fact, he's never started even 50 regular season games for a team, including the Nets after they waved the white flag last season. He's already 28. You'd be commiting $21M per to him. He's better than Niang in that you could at least bring him in off the bench in the postseason, but the Cavs would have both on their roster.

I would hope the Cavs would think long and hard. I'd pass. Just trade LeVert's expiring for DFS.

jbk1234 wrote:

gflem wrote:

axeman23 wrote:
Thanks for the info. So from what you've said, and with the money he's on, looks like he'd either have to be starting 4 (Allen would have to be traded or be backup, which I'm not sure is justified), or with Cam J as the backup 4, that moves Dean Wade to more a full-time 3 which then probably puts too much on Mobley's shoulders defensively. Maybe DFS is the better target for everyone.

I think Wade at the 3 would be fine if he could stay healthy. He is more mobile than Markkanen, who played the 3 in Cleveland, and plays very good Individual and team D imo. He just can't stay healthy.
I would definitely do Levert, Porter and a 2nd for Cam J yesterday.

His defense isn't good enough to start in the playoffs. He didn't start for the Suns. In fact, he's never started even 50 regular season games for a team, including the Nets after they waved the white flag last season. He's already 28. You'd be commiting $21M per to him. He's better than Niang in that you could at least bring him in off the bench in the postseason, but the Cavs would have both on their roster.

I would hope the Cavs would think long and hard. I'd pass. Just trade LeVert's expiring for DFS.

I BELIEVE Gflem is talking about Dean Wade, not Cam J. But yeah, I'd probably still agree the smaller deal around Levert for DFS might be better for all.

axeman23 wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:

gflem wrote:I think Wade at the 3 would be fine if he could stay healthy. He is more mobile than Markkanen, who played the 3 in Cleveland, and plays very good Individual and team D imo. He just can't stay healthy.
I would definitely do Levert, Porter and a 2nd for Cam J yesterday.

His defense isn't good enough to start in the playoffs. He didn't start for the Suns. In fact, he's never started even 50 regular season games for a team, including the Nets after they waved the white flag last season. He's already 28. You'd be commiting $21M per to him. He's better than Niang in that you could at least bring him in off the bench in the postseason, but the Cavs would have both on their roster.

I would hope the Cavs would think long and hard. I'd pass. Just trade LeVert's expiring for DFS.

I BELIEVE Gflem is talking about Dean Wade, not Cam J. But yeah, I'd probably still agree the smaller deal around Levert for DFS might be better for all.

Yeah, definitely talking about Wade, but I think Cam J at the 4 would give the team flexibility when Allen is on the bench or out, and would open the floor up for Mobley or Allen when one or the other sits. Also, Wade and Cam would be kind of interchangeable on the floor together and give us better depth at the 3/4 positions. We have enough in the backcourt to not miss Porter and Levert imo.

Nets are not moving Cam Johnson for free unless they really want cap space for 2025, which I doubt is the case, given that FA class has been depleted with all the extensions. Cam J is a very good role player who happens to be injury prone and incapable of playing heavy minutes, but he's a player who fits on any roster out there and he's a coach/front office's dream in terms of character.