Lakers get Vuc -bulls get Ayton

[scottyg]

Bulls get -
- Deandre Ayton
Why? Vuc needs to go and take a flier on Ayton
-2 2nd rd pics ( 1 LA and one Por)

Lakers get -
- Nikola Vucevic
- Javon Carter
- Torrey Craig

Why? Gain some depth and veterans who can all play with Lebron and AD

Blazers get -
-Gabe Vincent
- Jarred Vanderbilt
- Hood-schifino or whoever they choose ( )
-1st rd pic back from chi

Why? Get Ayton out of the way for the young players, get there pic back to make it easier for trade, would of been 2nd round pics conveying later anyways,

[pipfan]

Looks good to this Bulls’ fan

[JRoy]

2 bad contracts, a SRP and a mediocre prospect.

Pass for POR.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I don't love taking back Vincent, but that extra year of salary beyond Ayton's is not so large as to be cap-clogging, really. I do this to move on from Ayton and free up that pick. On the unlikely chance that Portland's youth blows up into something special, they'd do well to have control of all their picks.

I do not like this for LA, however. Vuc may be somewhat underappreciated, but he is not what the Lakers need to vault higher in the standings, and they cannot afford to make a move on the margins like this that expends any of their assets.

[tacos]

2 bad contracts, a SRP and a mediocre prospect.

Pass for POR.

I very much agree

Don't want Vincent... Don't want to be paying Vanderbilt (who has been out with a foot injury since march amungst his laundry list of injuries) until june of 2028 also he has no offensive skills

a 2nd round pick does not make it feel better

[Tim Lehrbach]

Unless Vanderbilt totally declines to useless or has a career-threatening injury, he should be opting out of his last year. That deal will have him as one of the lower-paid 27/28 year olds in the league by summer 2027. He's going to want to shoot for a multiyear deal, too. I did forget his player option is for 2027-2028 and not the prior year, so my earlier remark about the salary of Vincent not being significant is negated.

I really don't like having that pick tied up, though -- it's for sure not a "second round pick" if the Blazers own it, and it still has a small chance of conveying to the Bulls as a first, for that matter. I dunno, I haven't done the salary projections for '27, but surely the Blazers can afford that extra salary and still give out rookie-contract extensions?

[brackdan70]

2 bad contracts, a SRP and a mediocre prospect.

Pass for POR.

Don’t they get a first? Or did I read it wrong.

Edit: never mind, I see what you mean the way it is protected. .

[dcstanley]

If I'm LA, I would much rather have Vincent and Vanderbilt than any of those guys from Chicago.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Not that the laker players have value. But our bad players fit better than Vuc lol

[babyjax13]

I honestly don't see why Chicago would do this to themselves. Right now if Vucevic gets less minutes it is pretty understandable given his age and that he isn't in the future plans. Do the same with Ayton and I think you are creating a larger media/lockerroom problem. He's also just not good and paid more and they are adding rotation players that might return some 2nd(s) somewhere later in the season. Maybe if a prospect came back with Ayton I could get onboard, but then the value would be off for everyone else.

For Portland, I think they should take it and run - just about any trade that moves Ayton for the same or less salary is fine, and if you get an asset - even a marginal one - on top of it I think you've won the trade.

For the Lakers, I don't think it is CBA legal, but even if it were I think Vanderbilt is the best player in this deal by a significant margin if he is healthy.

[JRoy]

I honestly don't see why Chicago would do this to themselves. Right now if Vucevic gets less minutes it is pretty understandable given his age and that he isn't in the future plans. Do the same with Ayton and I think you are creating a larger media/lockerroom problem. He's also just not good and paid more and they are adding rotation players that might return some 2nd(s) somewhere later in the season. Maybe if a prospect came back with Ayton I could get onboard, but then the value would be off for everyone else.

For Portland, I think they should take it and run - just about any trade that moves Ayton for the same or less salary is fine, and if you get an asset - even a marginal one - on top of it I think you've won the trade.

For the Lakers, I don't think it is CBA legal, but even if it were I think Vanderbilt is the best player in this deal by a significant margin if he is healthy.

You think Vanderbilt is better than Ayton?

Taking salary into account I could see the argument.

[babyjax13]

I honestly don't see why Chicago would do this to themselves. Right now if Vucevic gets less minutes it is pretty understandable given his age and that he isn't in the future plans. Do the same with Ayton and I think you are creating a larger media/lockerroom problem. He's also just not good and paid more and they are adding rotation players that might return some 2nd(s) somewhere later in the season. Maybe if a prospect came back with Ayton I could get onboard, but then the value would be off for everyone else.

For Portland, I think they should take it and run - just about any trade that moves Ayton for the same or less salary is fine, and if you get an asset - even a marginal one - on top of it I think you've won the trade.

For the Lakers, I don't think it is CBA legal, but even if it were I think Vanderbilt is the best player in this deal by a significant margin if he is healthy.

You think Vanderbilt is better than Ayton?

Taking salary into account I could see the argument.

I do. He is a switchable POA defender, elite rebounder, and developing shooter. He can't score at volume like Ayton and is certainly less valuable at that, but he is a good playmaker. Having Ayton score at volume isn't a winning strategy. TBH I think that unless he changes a lot about his game that Portland would be best benching him in favor of Clingan and Williams.

[JRoy]

I honestly don't see why Chicago would do this to themselves. Right now if Vucevic gets less minutes it is pretty understandable given his age and that he isn't in the future plans. Do the same with Ayton and I think you are creating a larger media/lockerroom problem. He's also just not good and paid more and they are adding rotation players that might return some 2nd(s) somewhere later in the season. Maybe if a prospect came back with Ayton I could get onboard, but then the value would be off for everyone else.

For Portland, I think they should take it and run - just about any trade that moves Ayton for the same or less salary is fine, and if you get an asset - even a marginal one - on top of it I think you've won the trade.

For the Lakers, I don't think it is CBA legal, but even if it were I think Vanderbilt is the best player in this deal by a significant margin if he is healthy.

You think Vanderbilt is better than Ayton?

Taking salary into account I could see the argument.

I do. He is a switchable POA defender, elite rebounder, and developing shooter. He can't score at volume like Ayton and is certainly less valuable at that, but he is a good playmaker. Having Ayton score at volume isn't a winning strategy. TBH I think that unless he changes a lot about his game that Portland would be best benching him in favor of Clingan and Williams.

That’s pretty optimistic. Seems a solid defensive player, good enough rebounder and pretty weak on offense.

Good playmaker and developing shooter too? Sounds like the total package.

[babyjax13]

You think Vanderbilt is better than Ayton?

Taking salary into account I could see the argument.

I do. He is a switchable POA defender, elite rebounder, and developing shooter. He can't score at volume like Ayton and is certainly less valuable at that, but he is a good playmaker. Having Ayton score at volume isn't a winning strategy. TBH I think that unless he changes a lot about his game that Portland would be best benching him in favor of Clingan and Williams.

That’s pretty optimistic. Seems a solid defensive player, good enough rebounder and pretty weak on offense.

Good playmaker and developing shooter too? Sounds like the total package.

He is a good playmaker, averaged 2.7apg in Utah when we put the ball in his hands in the high post. He also started hitting open corner threes, though he'll never be a plus shooter, just someone who might hit a wide open shot at a critical moment. He's extremely low volume as a scorer and that won't change.

Shooting: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jarred-vanderbilt-shot-chart

[JRoy]

I do. He is a switchable POA defender, elite rebounder, and developing shooter. He can't score at volume like Ayton and is certainly less valuable at that, but he is a good playmaker. Having Ayton score at volume isn't a winning strategy. TBH I think that unless he changes a lot about his game that Portland would be best benching him in favor of Clingan and Williams.

That’s pretty optimistic. Seems a solid defensive player, good enough rebounder and pretty weak on offense.

Good playmaker and developing shooter too? Sounds like the total package.

He is a good playmaker, averaged 2.7apg in Utah when we put the ball in his hands in the high post. He also started hitting open corner threes, though he'll never be a plus shooter, just someone who might hit a wide open shot at a critical moment. He's extremely low volume as a scorer and that won't change.

Shooting: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jarred-vanderbilt-shot-chart

Wonder if he might be a sneaky good bi low candidate if your estimation of him is true.

[babyjax13]

That’s pretty optimistic. Seems a solid defensive player, good enough rebounder and pretty weak on offense.

Good playmaker and developing shooter too? Sounds like the total package.

He is a good playmaker, averaged 2.7apg in Utah when we put the ball in his hands in the high post. He also started hitting open corner threes, though he'll never be a plus shooter, just someone who might hit a wide open shot at a critical moment. He's extremely low volume as a scorer and that won't change.

Shooting: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jarred-vanderbilt-shot-chart

Wonder if he might be a sneaky good bi low candidate if your estimation of him is true.

I think he could be, but he has a similar issue as Robert Williams - really high injury risk, and the injury is a repeated injury (foot). Perhaps RWill for Vanderbilt could have some legs lol

[JRoy]

He is a good playmaker, averaged 2.7apg in Utah when we put the ball in his hands in the high post. He also started hitting open corner threes, though he'll never be a plus shooter, just someone who might hit a wide open shot at a critical moment. He's extremely low volume as a scorer and that won't change.

Shooting: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jarred-vanderbilt-shot-chart

Wonder if he might be a sneaky good bi low candidate if your estimation of him is true.

I think he could be, but he has a similar issue as Robert Williams - really high injury risk, and the injury is a repeated injury (foot). Perhaps RWill for Vanderbilt could have some legs lol

I’d rather keep RW and hope (vainly) he shows enough to be moved for picks.

[Chi town]

No way to Ayton

[ChettheJet]

The Bulls do it and ask for 2 2nd round picks, gladly take one, don't care if there are no picks coming back.

It's not like Ayton is a big upgrade over Vuc for the money but he's more active and in motion more than the older veteran who isn't part of the trying to get younger Bulls. Because Aytin isn't looking for the three point shots that Vuc drifts out to get he's better in the lane for the Bulls

I see why the Lakers want to move 3 guys who don't matter to them. Probably attractive to get Carter at half the price for Vincent since they're basically the same player. I'm sure Vucevic will happily give up stats for playing on a contending team and have his flaws covered by two stars.

PORT glad to have their pick back but they seem to get 3 players who aren't going to break into the 10 man rotation so if getting rid of Ayton to give their rookie more minutes is the goal, this accomplishes that.

[scottyg]

How bout the bulls take Robert Williams and Jeremy Grant instead ?