Robert Williams III Trade Value
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Robert Williams III Trade Value
What is his value right now, given the injury history? What do you think he would be worth right now vs. at the deadline if he can stay healthy this season?
What would your team give up to get him?
What would your team give up to get him?
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Right now, he is worth bad expirings.
Deadline with decent health, bad expirings and a 2nd or two.
Memphis might do something like Kennard and a 2nd at the deadline. No one is going to pay much for a guy that you cannot depend on.
Deadline with decent health, bad expirings and a 2nd or two.
Memphis might do something like Kennard and a 2nd at the deadline. No one is going to pay much for a guy that you cannot depend on.
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I think his trade value is less than Portland would give him up for (2nd rounders only and the amounts depends on who/what salary comes back). Which is why the speculated plan is to play him until he has a stretch of good looking games to recoup some value.
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Cody Martin and a pick in the mid-to-late 50s next season
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I'd move him for just about anything. I like him, but the Blazers are very likely stuck with Ayton and will want to feature Clingan. Reath -- if he's kept around -- is a perfectly adequate third center. I think it's hard to find a deal because there isn't a whole lot of dead salary out there, and few teams if any would sacrifice a rotation player for the Timelord risk. But any expendable salary plus any pick or, if I may be so greedy, any couple of picks sounds nifty to me.
I'd trade nearly half the team for some second rounders, and it's only in part because I think so little of the roster. The other part is that these guys just don't figure to be in Portland beyond the season, anyway. Simons and Grant are worth keeping around for the duration of their contracts if they can't fetch a first or a younger player, but Ayton, Thybulle, Williams, Reath, Murray, Walker, Banton... not one of these guys figures into the Blazers' long-term plans. If nobody else wants 'em, either, that's cool -- I mean, in this scenario they are castoffs from the worst team in the league
-- but I'd hope the Blazers at least make some calls. Open roster spots mean a chance to bring in some veteran mentors (if any are left out there) or different, young long shots to replace the ones that aren't working out.
I'd trade nearly half the team for some second rounders, and it's only in part because I think so little of the roster. The other part is that these guys just don't figure to be in Portland beyond the season, anyway. Simons and Grant are worth keeping around for the duration of their contracts if they can't fetch a first or a younger player, but Ayton, Thybulle, Williams, Reath, Murray, Walker, Banton... not one of these guys figures into the Blazers' long-term plans. If nobody else wants 'em, either, that's cool -- I mean, in this scenario they are castoffs from the worst team in the league

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Hopefully he can rehab his value enough to move him.
Guys who can’t stay healthy aren’t worth much.
Guys who can’t stay healthy aren’t worth much.
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In fact, I was forgetting that Williams has another year after this one on his contract. Any team trading for him is very likely going to want to dump 2+ years of salary back on Portland, then, making this needle even harder to thread.
For example, this...
... could very well be what an offer looks like, in which case, I may have to rethink accepting "just about anything." There are indeed players out there whom the Blazers have even less use for. But this is about what I'm expecting because, again, teams just won't gamble meaningful assets on Williams (IMO).
For example, this...
HornetJail wrote:Cody Martin and a pick in the mid-to-late 50s next season
... could very well be what an offer looks like, in which case, I may have to rethink accepting "just about anything." There are indeed players out there whom the Blazers have even less use for. But this is about what I'm expecting because, again, teams just won't gamble meaningful assets on Williams (IMO).
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Tim Lehrbach wrote:In fact, I was forgetting that Williams has another year after this one on his contract. Any team trading for him is very likely going to want to dump 2+ years of salary back on Portland, then, making this needle even harder to thread.
For example, this...HornetJail wrote:Cody Martin and a pick in the mid-to-late 50s next season
... could very well be what an offer looks like, in which case, I may have to rethink accepting "just about anything." There are indeed players out there whom the Blazers have even less use for. But this is about what I'm expecting because, again, teams just won't gamble meaningful assets on Williams (IMO).
Cody’s last year is non guaranteed, so he’s expiring, and he clears an immediate $4m from the books, putting the team a more comfortable $8m from the tax line (maybe allowing them to eat a salary dump for some pick value?)
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Scoot McGroot wrote:Tim Lehrbach wrote:In fact, I was forgetting that Williams has another year after this one on his contract. Any team trading for him is very likely going to want to dump 2+ years of salary back on Portland, then, making this needle even harder to thread.
For example, this...HornetJail wrote:Cody Martin and a pick in the mid-to-late 50s next season
... could very well be what an offer looks like, in which case, I may have to rethink accepting "just about anything." There are indeed players out there whom the Blazers have even less use for. But this is about what I'm expecting because, again, teams just won't gamble meaningful assets on Williams (IMO).
Cody’s last year is non guaranteed, so he’s expiring, and he clears an immediate $4m from the books, putting the team a more comfortable $8m from the tax line (maybe allowing them to eat a salary dump for some pick value?)
Hmm. That's something. Plus HornetJail offered a pick. Works for me if nobody else wants to pay more for Williams.
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The potential with this guy is so tantalizing that it's hard to understate just how frustrating his inability to stay on the court is.
If I'm the GM of a team that isn't struggling with the aprons, I'd take him for free/expiring contracts and hope to flip him in between injuries to a contending team willing to roll the dice. If he's healthy around the deadline, he's the kind of cheap but highly impactful piece that a team in that 2nd tier of contender's might take a chance on. Worst case scenario he goes down again and ends up as expiring dead weight going into next summer. Best case scenario you get a guy for free who could give you somewhere between 15-25 minutes of elite play.
Hard to find a match though.
Charlotte and Cody Martin makes a lot of sense.
Detroit/Washington both can afford to take a swing on him for basically nothing.
The Clippers with PJ Tucker, if the Blazers were willing to take a straight expiring that's likely to go the buyout route.
According to Fanspo the Grizz could swap him for Konchar who makes half as much.
Toronto for Boucher if they wanted to gamble on the higher upside player.
Until I saw him back on the court playing 15+ minutes for a while, I'd be asking for incentives back from PDX, but if he's healthy and playing for 15-20 games the way he did in Boston I'd get carried away real quick and the script would flip.
If I'm the GM of a team that isn't struggling with the aprons, I'd take him for free/expiring contracts and hope to flip him in between injuries to a contending team willing to roll the dice. If he's healthy around the deadline, he's the kind of cheap but highly impactful piece that a team in that 2nd tier of contender's might take a chance on. Worst case scenario he goes down again and ends up as expiring dead weight going into next summer. Best case scenario you get a guy for free who could give you somewhere between 15-25 minutes of elite play.
Hard to find a match though.
Charlotte and Cody Martin makes a lot of sense.
Detroit/Washington both can afford to take a swing on him for basically nothing.
The Clippers with PJ Tucker, if the Blazers were willing to take a straight expiring that's likely to go the buyout route.
According to Fanspo the Grizz could swap him for Konchar who makes half as much.
Toronto for Boucher if they wanted to gamble on the higher upside player.
Until I saw him back on the court playing 15+ minutes for a while, I'd be asking for incentives back from PDX, but if he's healthy and playing for 15-20 games the way he did in Boston I'd get carried away real quick and the script would flip.
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cl2117 wrote:The potential with this guy is so tantalizing that it's hard to understate just how frustrating his inability to stay on the court is.
If I'm the GM of a team that isn't struggling with the aprons, I'd take him for free/expiring contracts and hope to flip him in between injuries to a contending team willing to roll the dice. If he's healthy around the deadline, he's the kind of cheap but highly impactful piece that a team in that 2nd tier of contender's might take a chance on. Worst case scenario he goes down again and ends up as expiring dead weight going into next summer. Best case scenario you get a guy for free who could give you somewhere between 15-25 minutes of elite play.
Hard to find a match though.
Charlotte and Cody Martin makes a lot of sense.
Detroit/Washington both can afford to take a swing on him for basically nothing.
The Clippers with PJ Tucker, if the Blazers were willing to take a straight expiring that's likely to go the buyout route.
According to Fanspo the Grizz could swap him for Konchar who makes half as much.
Toronto for Boucher if they wanted to gamble on the higher upside player.
Until I saw him back on the court playing 15+ minutes for a while, I'd be asking for incentives back from PDX, but if he's healthy and playing for 15-20 games the way he did in Boston I'd get carried away real quick and the script would flip.
Yeah it's sad, he was such an absolute freak defensively. Not sure he even has what he once was, even when he's on the court. Looked like he was playing with one leg at the end there.
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The site keeps crashing and loosing my wall of text brilliant analysis. Oh well. He could be a steal if he can get healthy. Look at 2022 for the standard if he is healthy.
As for value now, I think he has minimal positive value. Maybe a similar contract and a second.
He is a positive impact if he can stay on the floor .
As for value now, I think he has minimal positive value. Maybe a similar contract and a second.
He is a positive impact if he can stay on the floor .
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I doubt anyone trades for him before seeing him on the floor, best case for the Blazers is he comes back looking well, and some pretender throws them a 2nd round pick and expiring filler by the trade deadline.
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Right now? Essentially zero value, potentially negative given the contract. He's been in the league 6 years and averaged 36 games played. And he's coming off an entire missed season. The "if he can get healthy" value angle isn't very convincing at this point. He's going to have to show something before anyone would even offer an expiring.
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