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Trade 1


To Utah
Pacome Dadiet
Jericho Sims
Tyler Kolek
2028 OKC 2nd
2027 Minnesota 2nd


To NY
Walker Kessler



the Jazz add more young players and ensure their space in the Flagg race

the Knicks get a big guy who plays like a healthy Mitchell Robinson. The Knicks can use Robinson as a trade piece or keep both






Trade 2 :


to Washington
Precious Achiuwa
2026 Boston 2nd
2026 Golden State 2nd
2027 Minnesota 2nd
2028 Indiana 2nd


To New York
Corey Kispert
Anthony Gill


The Wizards stake their claim for Flagg and get a basket of 2nds, some of which may become something

the Knicks add a great 3 and D swing man off the bench that can easily slide into a starting spot.



Trade 3:

To Atlanta
Cam Payne
2030 2nd


To New York
Cody Zeller

Kessler/Zeller/Robinson
Towns/Gill
OG/Kispert
Bridges/Hart
Brunson/McBride


This is a much deeper and robust Knicks roster. a 9 man playoff rotation ofn Brunson/Bridges/OG/Towns/Kessler/Robinson/Deuce/Kispert can really make a hell of a lot of noise and potentially get to the finals

Have you been watching the preseason? The Knicks' bench has been great. (Much better than I expected, to be honest.)

We're not paying to dump our guys for at best marginal upgrades.

Trades #1 and #2 amount to the Knicks trading away their disposable trash for the other teams' valuable players. Trade #2 is also mechanically impossible given that taking back more salary than they send out would cap the Knicks at the first apron, though that's a moot point given that the Wizards would never even consider the offer in the first place.

Trade #3 is more realistic but could not be executed until December 15th, as Payne cannot be traded until that date. But the Knicks would probably be hesitant in any case to trade a somewhat serviceable bench point guard for a washed-up third string center the likes of Cody Zeller.

Crymson wrote:Trades #1 and #2 amount to the Knicks trading away their disposable trash for the other teams' valuable players. Trade #2 is also mechanically impossible given that taking back more salary than they send out would cap the Knicks at the first apron, though that's a moot point given that the Wizards would never even consider the offer in the first place.

Trade #3 is more realistic but could not be executed until December 15th, as Payne cannot be traded until that date. But the Knicks would probably be hesitant in any case to trade a somewhat serviceable bench point guard for a washed-up third string center the likes of Cody Zeller.

A recent first rounder with promise, a high 2nd rounder, 2 SRPs + a deep bench doesn't sound half bad to me. I just don't think Dadiet and Kolek are trash, and I don't think Kessler is that valuable either.
Cory Kispert isn't worth Achiuwa + 4 SRPs, that's just ridiculous as well...

I think your bias is pretty obvious and I'm not a Knicks fan.

taikibansei wrote:Have you been watching the preseason? The Knicks' bench has been great. (Much better than I expected, to be honest.)

We're not paying to dump our guys for at best marginal upgrades.

The word "paying" is a bit of a reach though

daoneandonly wrote:

taikibansei wrote:Have you been watching the preseason? The Knicks' bench has been great. (Much better than I expected, to be honest.)

We're not paying to dump our guys for at best marginal upgrades.

The word "paying" is a bit of a reach though

By the end of this season, Precious Achiuwa (much improved), Pacome Dadiet, Tyler Kolek, Cam Payne and Ariel Hukporti (who the OP doesn't mention) will likely be seen as the better deal over the group of guys we'd be getting back here. Heck, this bench core just easily beat the Charlotte starters in our most recent game. (Knicks starters didn't play a minute.) So yeah, us throwing in even 2nds in this deal seems to be paying--particularly in that outside of Kessler, the package back is not inspiring. (E.g., Zeller will likely be bought out by the Hawks soon, so no need to trade assets for him at all.)

Feel free to tell me that "it's just preseason" or whatever. I've watched the games, though, and my thinking has changed from "we have no bench" to "our bench might be even better this year"--the individual improvements have been that marked. I want to ride with this team and see where we can go.

taikibansei wrote:

daoneandonly wrote:

taikibansei wrote:Have you been watching the preseason? The Knicks' bench has been great. (Much better than I expected, to be honest.)

We're not paying to dump our guys for at best marginal upgrades.

The word "paying" is a bit of a reach though

By the end of this season, Precious Achiuwa (much improved), Pacome Dadiet, Tyler Kolek, Cam Payne and Ariel Hukporti (who the OP doesn't mention) will likely be seen as the better deal over the group of guys we'd be getting back here. Heck, this bench core just easily beat the Charlotte starters in our most recent game. (Knicks starters didn't play a minute.) So yeah, us throwing in even 2nds in this deal seems to be paying--particularly in that outside of Kessler, the package back is not inspiring. (E.g., Zeller will likely be bought out by the Hawks soon, so no need to trade assets for him at all.)

Feel free to tell me that "it's just preseason" or whatever. I've watched the games, though, and my thinking has changed from "we have no bench" to "our bench might be even better this year"--the individual improvements have been that marked. I want to ride with this team and see where we can go.

I think Kolek is going to be solid, really wanted Dallas to target him. But im not high on any of those other guys

Saul Goodman wrote:Trade 1


To Utah
Pacome Dadiet
Jericho Sims
Tyler Kolek
2028 OKC 2nd
2027 Minnesota 2nd


To NY
Walker Kessler



the Jazz add more young players and ensure their space in the Flagg race

the Knicks get a big guy who plays like a healthy Mitchell Robinson. The Knicks can use Robinson as a trade piece or keep both






Trade 2 :


to Washington
Precious Achiuwa
2026 Boston 2nd
2026 Golden State 2nd
2027 Minnesota 2nd
2028 Indiana 2nd


To New York
Corey Kispert
Anthony Gill


The Wizards stake their claim for Flagg and get a basket of 2nds, some of which may become something

the Knicks add a great 3 and D swing man off the bench that can easily slide into a starting spot.



Trade 3:

To Atlanta
Cam Payne
2030 2nd


To New York
Cody Zeller

Kessler/Zeller/Robinson
Towns/Gill
OG/Kispert
Bridges/Hart
Brunson/McBride


This is a much deeper and robust Knicks roster. a 9 man playoff rotation ofn Brunson/Bridges/OG/Towns/Kessler/Robinson/Deuce/Kispert can really make a hell of a lot of noise and potentially get to the finals

I didn’t do the math but are they able to stay under the hard cap at the se one apron with all those moves, and are not taking back more salary (which would trigger a hard cap at 1st apron)?

daoneandonly wrote:

taikibansei wrote:

daoneandonly wrote:
The word "paying" is a bit of a reach though

By the end of this season, Precious Achiuwa (much improved), Pacome Dadiet, Tyler Kolek, Cam Payne and Ariel Hukporti (who the OP doesn't mention) will likely be seen as the better deal over the group of guys we'd be getting back here. Heck, this bench core just easily beat the Charlotte starters in our most recent game. (Knicks starters didn't play a minute.) So yeah, us throwing in even 2nds in this deal seems to be paying--particularly in that outside of Kessler, the package back is not inspiring. (E.g., Zeller will likely be bought out by the Hawks soon, so no need to trade assets for him at all.)

Feel free to tell me that "it's just preseason" or whatever. I've watched the games, though, and my thinking has changed from "we have no bench" to "our bench might be even better this year"--the individual improvements have been that marked. I want to ride with this team and see where we can go.

I think Kolek is going to be solid, really wanted Dallas to target him. But im not high on any of those other guys

Again, you need to have actually watched the games to understand. E.g., while Kolek has been nice, Precious just went for 20/16/3 (shooting .556, including 2-3 from beyond the arc) against the Hornets starters, often looking like the best player out there...for both teams. Payne, Dadiet, Hukporti also have shown themselves to be much better than advertised.

How well will this translate to the regular season? Who knows? But outside of Precious (who likely will get significant time from the start), these are to be our 9-12 players on the roster. While the Shamet injury kind of sucks, both he and Robinson are coming back, and Mcbride and Sims are also there and are proven contributors. That's shaping up to be a good bench (at a cheap price, which is all we can afford). I doubt we're looking to make major changes now (unless something too good to turn down becomes available).

wemby wrote:

Crymson wrote:Trades #1 and #2 amount to the Knicks trading away their disposable trash for the other teams' valuable players. Trade #2 is also mechanically impossible given that taking back more salary than they send out would cap the Knicks at the first apron, though that's a moot point given that the Wizards would never even consider the offer in the first place.

Trade #3 is more realistic but could not be executed until December 15th, as Payne cannot be traded until that date. But the Knicks would probably be hesitant in any case to trade a somewhat serviceable bench point guard for a washed-up third string center the likes of Cody Zeller.

A recent first rounder with promise, a high 2nd rounder, 2 SRPs + a deep bench doesn't sound half bad to me. I just don't think Dadiet and Kolek are trash, and I don't think Kessler is that valuable either.
Cory Kispert isn't worth Achiuwa + 4 SRPs, that's just ridiculous as well...

I think your bias is pretty obvious and I'm not a Knicks fan.

Just because a prospect isn't an elite prospect doesn't mean the player is trash.

Kolek looks the part of a very capable backup point guard who can step in and give a team 15-20 MPG. With 4 years on a rookie scale salary, your looking at production above salary slot with years of team control at that level. The Knicks need a backup playmaker and with their payroll and draft pick situation need cost controlled talent. Far from a blue chip prospect but a player with a TJ McConnell level ceiling on a 4 year 2nd rd deal is an asset.

Dadiet is a different story. He has more upside than Kolek, but he's not ready to be a rotation player. His size and shooting combination is interesting and there is a chance he develops into a 25 MPG 3 and D guy off the bench towards the back of his rookie scale deal. Not a blue chip prospect but not trash.

wemby wrote:A recent first rounder with promise, a high 2nd rounder, 2 SRPs + a deep bench doesn't sound half bad to me. I just don't think Dadiet and Kolek are trash, and I don't think Kessler is that valuable either.

Ah, yes, "a recent first rounder." You mean the 25th pick in a remarkably weak draft, on the border of the second round and almost certainly a second-round pick in the average draft. Beyond that, it's a near-24-year-old from the second round of that same draft and two more second-round picks, essentially lottery tickets, that are, to make matters worse, likely to fall in the 50s (or at the very least the high 40s) given that the teams in question are highly likely to still be successful when those drafts come around. I didn't call those players trash; "trash for treasure" is a saying, and it applies in this instance in that the Knicks would be trading disposable parts for actual value.

Ainge has been asking multiple 1sts for Kessler. What, exactly, would he gain from this trade? Whatever it is, it'll be far less than he's asking -- and exactly none of it would be tangible value at this point.

Cory Kispert isn't worth Achiuwa + 4 SRPs, that's just ridiculous as well...

In what universe are you living that an undersized and unathletic bench big who can't shoot and plays blah defense plus three probably bad second-round picks plus one possibly decent second-round pick is worth an elite perimeter shooter who plays serviceable defense and could start for a decent team under the proper conditions? What value is being provided to the Wizards here?

Believe it or not, a big number of second-round picks isn't an automatic ticket to value, and -- like first-round picks -- second-round picks are not all created equal in the first place.

I think your bias is pretty obvious and I'm not a Knicks fan.

You should consider establishing foundation and motive prior to future accusations of bias. I am a Pistons fan. I have no horse in this race.

Saul Goodman wrote:Trade 1


To Utah
Pacome Dadiet
Jericho Sims
Tyler Kolek
2028 OKC 2nd
2027 Minnesota 2nd


To NY
Walker Kessler



the Jazz add more young players and ensure their space in the Flagg race

the Knicks get a big guy who plays like a healthy Mitchell Robinson. The Knicks can use Robinson as a trade piece or keep both






Trade 2 :


to Washington
Precious Achiuwa
2026 Boston 2nd
2026 Golden State 2nd
2027 Minnesota 2nd
2028 Indiana 2nd


To New York
Corey Kispert
Anthony Gill


The Wizards stake their claim for Flagg and get a basket of 2nds, some of which may become something

the Knicks add a great 3 and D swing man off the bench that can easily slide into a starting spot.



Trade 3:

To Atlanta
Cam Payne
2030 2nd


To New York
Cody Zeller

Kessler/Zeller/Robinson
Towns/Gill
OG/Kispert
Bridges/Hart
Brunson/McBride


This is a much deeper and robust Knicks roster. a 9 man playoff rotation ofn Brunson/Bridges/OG/Towns/Kessler/Robinson/Deuce/Kispert can really make a hell of a lot of noise and potentially get to the finals

This is nothing but overvaluing everyone's bench players and undervaluing the Knicks.
Giving up Dadiet, Sims, Kolek, Achiuwa, Payne & 9 2nds for Kessler, Kispert, & Zeller is a freaking joke.

Crymson wrote:Trades #1 and #2 amount to the Knicks trading away their disposable trash for the other teams' valuable players. Trade #2 is also mechanically impossible given that taking back more salary than they send out would cap the Knicks at the first apron, though that's a moot point given that the Wizards would never even consider the offer in the first place.

Trade #3 is more realistic but could not be executed until December 15th, as Payne cannot be traded until that date. But the Knicks would probably be hesitant in any case to trade a somewhat serviceable bench point guard for a washed-up third string center the likes of Cody Zeller.

You must be thinking about most of your DET team being disposable trash.

Rockazoids wrote:You must be thinking about most of your DET team being disposable trash.

You must be thinking about not having a counterargument with a leg to stand on if this is the best answer you could muster.

Believe it or not, there isn't a ton of value to pick 25 in a notably weak draft class; a 23.5-year-old second-round pick in the same class; an undersized, unathletic bench center who can't shoot; and six future second-round picks which are almost all exceedingly likely to fall at 50 or lower.

Crymson wrote:Trades #1 and #2 amount to the Knicks trading away their disposable trash for the other teams' valuable players. Trade #2 is also mechanically impossible given that taking back more salary than they send out would cap the Knicks at the first apron, though that's a moot point given that the Wizards would never even consider the offer in the first place.

Trade #3 is more realistic but could not be executed until December 15th, as Payne cannot be traded until that date. But the Knicks would probably be hesitant in any case to trade a somewhat serviceable bench point guard for a washed-up third string center the likes of Cody Zeller.

Achiuwa has been very good for NY, he’s certainly not disposable…even if we overpaid for Kessler.

And though Payne or Kolek could be moved, moving both would leave deuce as the only backup guard on our roster.

All in all not a fan of trades two or three, and #1 would be easier to swallow without including Kolek.

Though our FO will probably want to see how our kids look in the regular season before making a decision.

cgf wrote:Achiuwa has been very good for NY, he’s certainly not disposable…even if we overpaid for Kessler.

He certainly wasn't "very good" for them last season, and at no point in his NBA career has he been a positive-value rotation player. His poor size and athleticism -- not to mention his relatively poor touch around the basket -- are a major hindrance to him at center, and contributing effectively at power forward is all but ruled out by his combination of poor mobility and bad shooting.

It wasn't for no reason that he got only a one-year contract at a very modest NBA salary.

Crymson wrote:

cgf wrote:Achiuwa has been very good for NY, he’s certainly not disposable…even if we overpaid for Kessler.

He certainly wasn't "very good" for them last season, and at no point in his NBA career has he been a positive-value rotation player. His poor size and athleticism -- not to mention his relatively poor touch around the basket -- are a major hindrance to him at center, and contributing effectively at power forward is all but ruled out by his combination of poor mobility and bad shooting.

It wasn't for no reason that he got only a one-year contract at a very modest NBA salary.

I see

Rockazoids wrote:

Crymson wrote:Trades #1 and #2 amount to the Knicks trading away their disposable trash for the other teams' valuable players. Trade #2 is also mechanically impossible given that taking back more salary than they send out would cap the Knicks at the first apron, though that's a moot point given that the Wizards would never even consider the offer in the first place.

Trade #3 is more realistic but could not be executed until December 15th, as Payne cannot be traded until that date. But the Knicks would probably be hesitant in any case to trade a somewhat serviceable bench point guard for a washed-up third string center the likes of Cody Zeller.

You must be thinking about most of your DET team being disposable trash.

This is not an argument, and exposes your inability to have a conversation.

Kessler is worth more then is being offered, I think that much is obvious.

zeebneeb wrote:

Rockazoids wrote:

Crymson wrote:Trades #1 and #2 amount to the Knicks trading away their disposable trash for the other teams' valuable players. Trade #2 is also mechanically impossible given that taking back more salary than they send out would cap the Knicks at the first apron, though that's a moot point given that the Wizards would never even consider the offer in the first place.

Trade #3 is more realistic but could not be executed until December 15th, as Payne cannot be traded until that date. But the Knicks would probably be hesitant in any case to trade a somewhat serviceable bench point guard for a washed-up third string center the likes of Cody Zeller.

You must be thinking about most of your DET team being disposable trash.

This is not an argument, and exposes your inability to have a conversation.

Kessler is worth more then is being offered, I think that much is obvious.

Eh, Dadiet + Sims + WSH FRP is plenty fair for Kessler if we end up needing to upgrade our center depth...and I'm not sure it's a stretch to argue that Kolek + 2 SRPs is at least equivalent to that WSH FRP

Crymson wrote:
You must be thinking about not having a counterargument with a leg to stand on if this is the best answer you could muster.

zeebneeb wrote:

Rockazoids wrote:

Crymson wrote:Trades #1 and #2 amount to the Knicks trading away their disposable trash for the other teams' valuable players. Trade #2 is also mechanically impossible given that taking back more salary than they send out would cap the Knicks at the first apron, though that's a moot point given that the Wizards would never even consider the offer in the first place.

Trade #3 is more realistic but could not be executed until December 15th, as Payne cannot be traded until that date. But the Knicks would probably be hesitant in any case to trade a somewhat serviceable bench point guard for a washed-up third string center the likes of Cody Zeller.

You must be thinking about most of your DET team being disposable trash.

This is not an argument, and exposes your inability to have a conversation.

Kessler is worth more then is being offered, I think that much is obvious.

Well how about DET trade for Kessler if he is worth so much ordo you think you guys don't need a such a great player like
Kessler. If Kessler is so good he be traded by now and the Jazz would basking in a wealth of asset right now. It seem that
no GM is drinking that Kool-Aid that you two have. Also lets be clear, It was a DET fan calling Knicks players disposable trash.
Maybe DET can muster more than 54 wins in the next 4 years before calling Knicks player disposable trash.