Lonzo to Grizz at Deadline

[QMemphis]

Lonzo manages to stay relatively healthy and plays 30 + games at 15-20 mins a game. Grizz decide to take a playoff gamble. Lonzo is expiring if healthy he provides Playmaking, Shooting and Defense that’s hard to find in one player. At worst he is 4 month expiring contract.

Bulls Trade: Lonzo Ball + Torrey Craig

Grizz Trade: Luke Kennard, John Konchar + Santi Aldama.

Bulls get a shot at Santi to see if his shooting can complement their current young guys. Also can flip Luke to another team for a 2nd or 2. Konchar is solid and can provide depth as a poor man’s Caruso.

[psman2]

There are no minutes for Ball in Memphis unless we trade Smart. Rather just keep our shooting specialist and our 7ft shooter.

[QMemphis]

There are no minutes for Ball in Memphis unless we trade Smart. Rather just keep our shooting specialist and our 7ft shooter.

70% of what Lonzo used to be is better than any PG not named Ja on the roster. Also at his size and skills he can play with Ja.

[Skybox]

I don't think CHI is that eager to dump the guy who, if he can play, makes their team go. MEM isn't offering anything of interest, imo. CHI is too talented to think like WAS, for now at least. If Lonzo is up for sale (after showing the ability to play at least limited minutes), he'll fetch more...he makes a whole team look better. CHI only crashed and burned when he went out a couple of years ago...even if CHI decides to race to the bottom, Lonzo can make the rest of the "assets" look more valuable to suitors in a few months of play. I love Lonzo's game and wish ORL had gambled on him this past summer when his future looked much bleaker.

Considering that he's, at worst, a good-sized expiring deal...he's worth more than this.

[ChettheJet]

Ball is expiring so does MEM really think he's worth giving something up to pay 35 games? I wouldn't. Is MEM going to see enough to want to resign him and for how much? The thread that was here for a long time called him the worst contract in the league because he wasn't playing. Realize he's only played two pre season games so that hasn't changed.

My crystal ball says nobody is going to want to risk signing Ball next summer based on part time play for the Bulls. I know I'm alone in thinking Lonzo is going to appreciate the Bulls sticking by him, the fans supporting him for 3 years of not playing and he resigns with them for a couple of years at a minimum number because he made $80 million dollars from the team and figures he might as well stick around with the building squad to see what happens.

[esvl]

There are no minutes for Ball in Memphis unless we trade Smart. Rather just keep our shooting specialist and our 7ft shooter.

70% of what Lonzo used to be is better than any PG not named Ja on the roster. Also at his size and skills he can play with Ja.

Lonzo doesn’t look like our guy from too many perspectives. We target hard-working, good people with a chip on the shoulder. I question his personality and motivation, and I don’t want Bane, Smart and Vince to stop using/developing their on-ball/playmaking skills.

[QMemphis]

There are no minutes for Ball in Memphis unless we trade Smart. Rather just keep our shooting specialist and our 7ft shooter.

70% of what Lonzo used to be is better than any PG not named Ja on the roster. Also at his size and skills he can play with Ja.

Lonzo doesn’t look like our guy from too many perspectives. We target hard-working, good people with a chip on the shoulder. I question his personality and motivation, and I don’t want Bane, Smart and Vince to stop using/developing their on-ball/playmaking skills.

I feel that and would’ve agreed had Lonzo not had the past few years of not playing. Bro is happy to just be playing ball now. His playmaking is miles better than Bane, Smart or Vince. Also like I mentioned he can play with them all and can make them all more effective on the court.

[QMemphis]

I don't think CHI is that eager to dump the guy who, if he can play, makes their team go. MEM isn't offering anything of interest, imo. CHI is too talented to think like WAS, for now at least. If Lonzo is up for sale (after showing the ability to play at least limited minutes), he'll fetch more...he makes a whole team look better. CHI only crashed and burned when he went out a couple of years ago...even if CHI decides to race to the bottom, Lonzo can make the rest of the "assets" look more valuable to suitors in a few months of play. I love Lonzo's game and wish ORL had gambled on him this past summer when his future looked much bleaker.


Chicago owes a top 5 pick to the Spurs by no means should they be looking to hold on to players who will not be apart of their future. No team would gamble on Lonzo without him showing he can play consistently and be effective. What team can match salaries at 22 million and would make sense for Lonzo putting him in a winning/contending situation other than the Grizz?

Considering that he's, at worst, a good-sized expiring deal...he's worth more than this.

[QMemphis]

Ball is expiring so does MEM really think he's worth giving something up to pay 35 games? I wouldn't. Is MEM going to see enough to want to resign him and for how much? The thread that was here for a long time called him the worst contract in the league because he wasn't playing. Realize he's only played two pre season games so that hasn't changed.

My crystal ball says nobody is going to want to risk signing Ball next summer based on part time play for the Bulls. I know I'm alone in thinking Lonzo is going to appreciate the Bulls sticking by him, the fans supporting him for 3 years of not playing and he resigns with them for a couple of years at a minimum number because he made $80 million dollars from the team and figures he might as well stick around with the building squad to see what happens.

Lonzo for 20 minutes a game would be worth it come playoff time. He provides additional playmaking and shooting on offense that compliments Ja and the rest of our roster. Regarding a followup contract depends on the number. Grizz are trading two expiring ones of which is a RFA and a small contract for two expiring deals. I value the cap flexibility as our front office would to do extension with our other players like Jaren, GG and Vince when that next contract comes.

[Dez]

There are no minutes for Ball in Memphis unless we trade Smart. Rather just keep our shooting specialist and our 7ft shooter.

70% of what Lonzo used to be is better than any PG not named Ja on the roster. Also at his size and skills he can play with Ja.

Lonzo doesn’t look like our guy from too many perspectives. We target hard-working, good people with a chip on the shoulder. I question his personality and motivation, and I don’t want Bane, Smart and Vince to stop using/developing their on-ball/playmaking skills.

The dude has literally worked his ass off for 2.5 years to get back, what backwards ass take is this?

[toooskies]

If Lonzo shows enough in the regular season he might be a trade target for a lot of teams and Aldama/2nds may not be enough. But if he shows enough in the regular season, he might also lift the Bulls to a play-in spot and reach the point where they don't trade him.

[QMemphis]

If Lonzo shows enough in the regular season he might be a trade target for a lot of teams and Aldama/2nds may not be enough. But if he shows enough in the regular season, he might also lift the Bulls to a play-in spot and reach the point where they don't trade him.

What teams do you believe will offer value for Lonzo? The Bulls will not be a good team no matter how many minutes he plays, they have too many flaws. Their best course is to target development and get assets for older players that don’t fit longterm view.

[esvl]

70% of what Lonzo used to be is better than any PG not named Ja on the roster. Also at his size and skills he can play with Ja.

Lonzo doesn’t look like our guy from too many perspectives. We target hard-working, good people with a chip on the shoulder. I question his personality and motivation, and I don’t want Bane, Smart and Vince to stop using/developing their on-ball/playmaking skills.

The dude has literally worked his ass off for 2.5 years to get back, what backwards ass take is this?

So beyond failing at each of his 3 teams, his biggest achievement is one big ass off workout 2,5 years long?

OK

[Dez]

Lonzo doesn’t look like our guy from too many perspectives. We target hard-working, good people with a chip on the shoulder. I question his personality and motivation, and I don’t want Bane, Smart and Vince to stop using/developing their on-ball/playmaking skills.

The dude has literally worked his ass off for 2.5 years to get back, what backwards ass take is this?

So beyond failing at each of his 3 teams, his biggest achievement is one big ass off workout 2,5 years long?

OK

I can't tell if you're serious or just clueless?

"We target hard-working, good people with a chip on their shoulder"

You just described Lonzo.

Also how has he failed at 3 teams? His body failed but he was elite when healthy for the Bulls.

Your post is just completely ignorant and misguided.

[toooskies]

If Lonzo shows enough in the regular season he might be a trade target for a lot of teams and Aldama/2nds may not be enough. But if he shows enough in the regular season, he might also lift the Bulls to a play-in spot and reach the point where they don't trade him.

What teams do you believe will offer value for Lonzo? The Bulls will not be a good team no matter how many minutes he plays, they have too many flaws. Their best course is to target development and get assets for older players that don’t fit longterm view.

This has been true for as long as Lonzo has been hurt, though. With LaVine coming back and taking DeRozan's scoring load, and if Lonzo approximates Caruso, with adding Giddey... They won't be a threat in the playoffs but they might make the playoffs. Which is what this front office has appeared to be shooting for.

Cleveland could be interested if Lonzo proves healthy-- a tall PG with good defense would be a great addition to their short guard rotation, particularly if they sell on Garland. The Lakers might want to swap him with D'Lo. Lonzo's game fits around stars better than most PGs, if he gets all the way back from his injury.

[jbk1234]

If Lonzo shows enough in the regular season he might be a trade target for a lot of teams and Aldama/2nds may not be enough. But if he shows enough in the regular season, he might also lift the Bulls to a play-in spot and reach the point where they don't trade him.

What teams do you believe will offer value for Lonzo? The Bulls will not be a good team no matter how many minutes he plays, they have too many flaws. Their best course is to target development and get assets for older players that don’t fit longterm view.

This has been true for as long as Lonzo has been hurt, though. With LaVine coming back and taking DeRozan's scoring load, and if Lonzo approximates Caruso, with adding Giddey... They won't be a threat in the playoffs but they might make the playoffs. Which is what this front office has appeared to be shooting for.

Cleveland could be interested if Lonzo proves healthy-- a tall PG with good defense would be a great addition to their short guard rotation, particularly if they sell on Garland. The Lakers might want to swap him with D'Lo. Lonzo's game fits around stars better than most PGs, if he gets all the way back from his injury.

Count me among those who say that the most appealing aspect of Ball is the expiring contract. Even in the 4 years he was on the court before his knee injury, he averaged around 50 games a season because he couldn't stay healthy. I think that he probably needs to be the third guard going forward just so he can stay on the court (e.g. Sean Livingston), which raises the question as far as his expectations regarding his next contract and future role.

[toooskies]

What teams do you believe will offer value for Lonzo? The Bulls will not be a good team no matter how many minutes he plays, they have too many flaws. Their best course is to target development and get assets for older players that don’t fit longterm view.

This has been true for as long as Lonzo has been hurt, though. With LaVine coming back and taking DeRozan's scoring load, and if Lonzo approximates Caruso, with adding Giddey... They won't be a threat in the playoffs but they might make the playoffs. Which is what this front office has appeared to be shooting for.

Cleveland could be interested if Lonzo proves healthy-- a tall PG with good defense would be a great addition to their short guard rotation, particularly if they sell on Garland. The Lakers might want to swap him with D'Lo. Lonzo's game fits around stars better than most PGs, if he gets all the way back from his injury.

Count me among those who say that the most appealing aspect of Ball is the expiring contract. Even in the 4 years he was on the court before his knee injury, he averaged around 50 games a season because he couldn't stay healthy. I think that he probably needs to be the third guard going forward just so he can stay on the court (e.g. Sean Livingston), which raises the question as far as his expectations regarding his next contract and future role.

Yeah, I imagine his contract expectations are that a significant portion will be non-guaranteed-- like Jonathan Isaac's last contract.

[jbk1234]

This has been true for as long as Lonzo has been hurt, though. With LaVine coming back and taking DeRozan's scoring load, and if Lonzo approximates Caruso, with adding Giddey... They won't be a threat in the playoffs but they might make the playoffs. Which is what this front office has appeared to be shooting for.

Cleveland could be interested if Lonzo proves healthy-- a tall PG with good defense would be a great addition to their short guard rotation, particularly if they sell on Garland. The Lakers might want to swap him with D'Lo. Lonzo's game fits around stars better than most PGs, if he gets all the way back from his injury.

Count me among those who say that the most appealing aspect of Ball is the expiring contract. Even in the 4 years he was on the court before his knee injury, he averaged around 50 games a season because he couldn't stay healthy. I think that he probably needs to be the third guard going forward just so he can stay on the court (e.g. Sean Livingston), which raises the question as far as his expectations regarding his next contract and future role.

Yeah, I imagine his contract expectations are that a significant portion will be non-guaranteed-- like Jonathan Isaac's last contract.

The problem with partially guaranteed contracts is they don't really address a situation where a player misses 30 games a season on average. They're usually drafted in such a way that the team either cuts the player, or not. If you give bonuses based on availability, that's difficult to manage in terms of the cap, tax, and aprons.

[psman2]

If Lonzo shows enough in the regular season he might be a trade target for a lot of teams and Aldama/2nds may not be enough. But if he shows enough in the regular season, he might also lift the Bulls to a play-in spot and reach the point where they don't trade him.

What teams do you believe will offer value for Lonzo? The Bulls will not be a good team no matter how many minutes he plays, they have too many flaws. Their best course is to target development and get assets for older players that don’t fit longterm view.

This has been true for as long as Lonzo has been hurt, though. With LaVine coming back and taking DeRozan's scoring load, and if Lonzo approximates Caruso, with adding Giddey... They won't be a threat in the playoffs but they might make the playoffs. Which is what this front office has appeared to be shooting for.

Cleveland could be interested if Lonzo proves healthy-- a tall PG with good defense would be a great addition to their short guard rotation, particularly if they sell on Garland. The Lakers might want to swap him with D'Lo. Lonzo's game fits around stars better than most PGs, if he gets all the way back from his injury.

I cannot see the Lakers even offering DLO. Just too much risk. The best the Bulls can expect in any Ball trade is expiring and 2nd(s), and as you alluded to if they are in the playoff hunt they are likely just to hold than take that offer. No team is going to give up much value to rent him with his injury history.

What is Clev offering? I don't even think they would risk the LeVert swap right now, maybe at the deadline they would do it but likely not add much more that filler and a 2nd. Maybe LeVert gets flip for a 2nd from a 3rd team for expirings. So net is expiring and 2 2nds for Ball yet again.

[ConSarnit]

Ball is expiring so does MEM really think he's worth giving something up to pay 35 games? I wouldn't. Is MEM going to see enough to want to resign him and for how much? The thread that was here for a long time called him the worst contract in the league because he wasn't playing. Realize he's only played two pre season games so that hasn't changed.

My crystal ball says nobody is going to want to risk signing Ball next summer based on part time play for the Bulls. I know I'm alone in thinking Lonzo is going to appreciate the Bulls sticking by him, the fans supporting him for 3 years of not playing and he resigns with them for a couple of years at a minimum number because he made $80 million dollars from the team and figures he might as well stick around with the building squad to see what happens.

The only way this happens is if Lonzo plays <40 games this year. If he shows anything he might take a 1 year min deal as a prove it deal and then he'll get back on the market to cash in. Zero chance he takes a multi-year deal at the min if he shows anything this season. He's still only 26 (well, pretty much 27) and the opportunity to cash in is too great. There is far too much upside to lock himself into a min deal even for 2 years.