Anfernee Simons to Detroit

[babyjax13]

Adapting an idea from posters in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2413015&start=20

DET trades: Tim Hardaway Jr., Marcus Sasser, 2025 TOR 2nd, 2027 BRK/DAL 2nd (less favorable), 2028 NYK 2nd
POR trades: Anfernee Simons

Portland saves some money, gets a young backup point guard and multiple seconds including a high 2025 2nd.

Detroit gets some floor spacing and creates a nice 3-guard lineup of Cade-Ivey-Simons. They can also play Cade at small forward some and run three guard lineups that don't sacrifice too much size.

[MessiahUjiri]

I like it for both.

Cade and Ant would look great. Ants 3 point shooting would open up the floor for their non shooters.

[JRoy]

Works for me.

[Butter]

I'd be down

[Myth]

Pass for me. I don’t value Simons much, but I value him more than this. 2nds don’t really interest me. They are about as interesting as finding a nickel in a parking lot. THJ is going to take away as many minutes and shots as Simons, but at over 30 years of age he truly has no chance of a future role with the team. As for Sasser, I really don’t understand the intrigue there. A 24 year old sophomore who got a significant demotion in minutes on a team about as bad as Portland is somehow being viewed as a prize get here. The most valuable thing and only argument for Portland making this trade is the capspace. I get why people want that and I would consider it more if we are getting pure capspace back, but that is not what is happening here.

[babyjax13]

Pass for me. I don’t value Simons much, but I value him more than this. 2nds don’t really interest me. They are about as interesting as finding a nickel in a parking lot. THJ is going to take away as many minutes and shots as Simons, but at over 30 years of age he truly has no chance of a future role with the team. As for Sasser, I really don’t understand the intrigue there. A 24 year old sophomore who got a significant demotion in minutes on a team about as bad as Portland is somehow being viewed as a prize get here. The most valuable thing and only argument for Portland making this trade is the capspace. I get why people want that and I would consider it more if we are getting pure capspace back, but that is not what is happening here.

THJ is expiring and you save $9 million immediately. THJ the player is not supposed to have any appeal. The appeal with Sasser is that he is a competent backup under 25 and on a rookie deal, no one thinks he is a franchise changer. Won't disagree on value if you are hoping for a first or better prospect.

[Myth]

Pass for me. I don’t value Simons much, but I value him more than this. 2nds don’t really interest me. They are about as interesting as finding a nickel in a parking lot. THJ is going to take away as many minutes and shots as Simons, but at over 30 years of age he truly has no chance of a future role with the team. As for Sasser, I really don’t understand the intrigue there. A 24 year old sophomore who got a significant demotion in minutes on a team about as bad as Portland is somehow being viewed as a prize get here. The most valuable thing and only argument for Portland making this trade is the capspace. I get why people want that and I would consider it more if we are getting pure capspace back, but that is not what is happening here.

THJ is expiring and you save $9 million immediately. THJ the player is not supposed to have any appeal. The appeal with Sasser is that he is a competent backup under 25 and on a rookie deal, no one thinks he is a franchise changer. Won't disagree on value if you are hoping for a first or better prospect.

Define competent. Is there a reason he can’t get minutes in Detroit? I’m not convinced he is worth more than another 2nd rounder. This looks like capspace (the best part of the package as I already mentioned), 2nds, and unappealing players. Unless Portland has a plan in place to land a 1st with the capspace, I’d rather hold onto Simons and see if he can get back to 1st rounder value rather than selling low on him, which I believe this trade is.

[Mr Peanut]

Easy pass from Detroit. We're finally building a defensive mentality and bringing Simons in goes against that heavily. He's already had a poor start to the season and is owed 53M over the next two years which he's not worth.

Jaden Ivey has taken a step forward this season and is averaging 18.7/4.6/3.6 shooting 39% from three and deserves the starting SG position.

Then factor in having to give up Sasser and the second rounders and this makes little sense for the Pistons.

[Skybox]

I really hope Simons brings back more than srps and “salary relief” one year ahead of his expiring deal…POR shouldn’t have that sense of urgency to dump him for, essentially, nothing of value, considering where they are at in their rebuild.

ORL should be throwing multiple frps, imo, even if the filler isn’t expiring immediately

[Skybox]

Easy pass from Detroit. We're finally building a defensive mentality and bringing Simons in goes against that heavily. He's already had a poor start to the season and is owed 53M over the next two years which he's not worth.

Jaden Ivey has taken a step forward this season and is averaging 18.7/4.6/3.6 shooting 39% from three and deserves the starting SG position.

Then factor in having to give up Sasser and the second rounders and this makes little sense for the Pistons.

Agree. I really like Ivey and glad to see things clicking. I would have loved ORL to take a swing for him while he was being so criticized earlier in his career.

[daoneandonly]

I dont think Det should have to give up Sasser (or all those 2nds) here. SImons is a microwave scorer off the bench making good starter money, he's overpaid and that should be factored in.

[Billl]

Detroit isn't in a position to take on long term money for a 6th man.

[BlazersBroncos]

Detroit isn't in a position to take on long term money for a 6th man.

His deal expires after next season - the same time as Toby.

[gswhoops]

If Ivey had continued to struggle this year, this would have been worth pursuing from Detroit's POV. But given that he's playing well and showing improvement in some of his more problematic areas (aka 3pt shooting), I think they just feed him those minutes instead.

[Billl]

Detroit isn't in a position to take on long term money for a 6th man.

His deal expires after next season - the same time as Toby.

And? We overpaid for Tobias to get a legit NBA starting forward out there next to cade for developmental purposes. We aren't in a position to do that for a 6th man.

[Pattycakes]

Adapting an idea from posters in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2413015&start=20

DET trades: Tim Hardaway Jr., Marcus Sasser, 2025 TOR 2nd, 2027 BRK/DAL 2nd (less favorable), 2028 NYK 2nd
POR trades: Anfernee Simons

Portland saves some money, gets a young backup point guard and multiple seconds including a high 2025 2nd.

Detroit gets some floor spacing and creates a nice 3-guard lineup of Cade-Ivey-Simons. They can also play Cade at small forward some and run three guard lineups that don't sacrifice too much size.

We’re not straight dumping Ant. Someone will pay. Might not be a lot but we’re def not dumping him to Detroit just to say we did

[Walton1one]

That is selling too low on Simons for my taste. I don't like him on POR, but the guy is a 22ppg scorer, 38% from 3pFG, only 25yrs old, 2yrs left on a deal that is only slightly higher than some recent contemporaries signed for.

Also, absolutely no need for Sasser on this team, if that is the young player coming back, no interest\no thanks. Now, if POR wants to roll the dice on Ausar Thompson and that his blood clot issue won't totally derail his career and the (3) 2nd's are a hedge against that it does (ala Bosh), then maybe.

[BlazersBroncos]

That is selling too low on Simons for my taste. I don't like him on POR, but the guy is a 22ppg scorer, 38% from 3pFG, only 25yrs old, 2yrs left on a deal that is only slightly higher than some recent contemporaries signed for.

Also, absolutely no need for Sasser on this team, if that is the young player coming back, no interest\no thanks. Now, if POR wants to roll the dice on Ausar Thompson and that his blood clot issue won't totally derail his career and the (3) 2nd's are a hedge against that it does (ala Bosh), then maybe.

Bro - you cant think even with the blood clot issue that DET would include Ausar in a Simons deal.

[Walton1one]

I have no idea if they would or not. You do realize there is a chance he could not play again, right? Or if he does be severely impacted?

Quite frankly, If I were POR I would very hesitant on trading FOR him.

So far as blood clotting, Hall of Fame forward Chris Bosh is the most well-known NBA player to have had their career sidetracked by the condition.

Bosh actually survived through multiple blood clotting incidents during his career. The initial diagnosis occurred in Feb. 2015, leading to him being ruled out for the remainder of the season. The clot was found to have traveled to one of his lungs.

Around the 2016 All-Star Break, Bosh was diagnosed with deep vein thrombosis; a blood clot in his leg. He eventually agreed to sit out for the remainder of the season. However, he took to Twitter, denying that his medical concerns were life-threatening.

That being said, he was prescribed blood thinners that he’ll be taking for the rest of his life. The problem for Bosh is that playing contact sports is dangerous for people on blood thinners. In even a best-case scenario, his career may have been significantly impacted.

Though Bosh wanted to cycle on and off his blood thinners, a medical expert suggested that it would be safer for him to do so if playing “twice a week—while skipping all full-contact practices,” per former Bleacher Report writer Howard Beck.

This might be a situation that teams would be willing to work with, but it’s obviously not ideal. So far as the Pistons are concerned, the question is how important it is for Thompson to play part-time at the risk of his life?

[Walton1one]

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