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With DLo and Gabe not working out, it’s clear the Lakers will make a move. Specifically, they need a POA defender, and a true big man (AD doesn’t like to play full time C)
The Raptors have a true C in Poeltl (avging 15/11), a defensive PG in Davion (avging 10/6). They are willing to take on bad contracts if they come with prospects/picks.
Here’s the trade:
Poeltl + Davion
for
Knecht + DLo + Gabe + 2 ‘25 2nds (LAC + LAL)
None of Knecht/DLo/Gabe are playing much in a championship quest. LAL cashes them, with Knecht being the incentive for TOR.
I roughly see this as: DLo+Knecht for Poeltl and Gabe+2 2nds for Davion, with some value cross over to balance things.
The Raptors have a true C in Poeltl (avging 15/11), a defensive PG in Davion (avging 10/6). They are willing to take on bad contracts if they come with prospects/picks.
Here’s the trade:
Poeltl + Davion
for
Knecht + DLo + Gabe + 2 ‘25 2nds (LAC + LAL)
None of Knecht/DLo/Gabe are playing much in a championship quest. LAL cashes them, with Knecht being the incentive for TOR.
I roughly see this as: DLo+Knecht for Poeltl and Gabe+2 2nds for Davion, with some value cross over to balance things.
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Feels like Dalton alone should be enough value for the returning package. Maybe too much, and it's 2-4 2nds instead? Or a far off, top 20 protected 1st? Who knows. But I wouldn't say that Vincent is a bad contract that needs payment to offload when it's relatively small, and Toronto is also shifting future money from Poeltl's deal. Historically, we've just seen guys like Vincent basically shrugged off as "whatever salary" in a trade when a team like the Lakers would be taking back more future salary, even if it's on a better player like Poeltl.
Just hard to visualize the valuations here, but feels like Knecht AND multiple 2nds are probably too much.
Just hard to visualize the valuations here, but feels like Knecht AND multiple 2nds are probably too much.
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Will raptirs do lakers any favours after messing around when kawhii were gonna be a free agent? Personally I highly doubt it
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LAL should be all over this, maybe switch Gabe with Vando, since they will be short on playable guards...
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Raptors traded a first for Poeltl and resigned him. For some reason they love that guy.
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Mavrelous wrote:LAL should be all over this, maybe switch Gabe with Vando, since they will be short on playable guards...
Vando actually works better for the Raps, because they don’t have much of a front court.
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BigGargamel wrote:Raptors traded a first for Poeltl and resigned him. For some reason they love that guy.
For some reason? He's a good center.
15, 11 and 3, with 2 stocks. Good passer, screen setting and defender. He's a good rebuild center that helps enable postivie play across the board.
I don't think the value is quite there for the Raps on this deal
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Think the value here is fine, but, concurrently, the Lakers shouldn't be trading away Knecht in a move like this.
For Toronto, eating the second year of Vincent sucks, but he can be used as good ballast while Knecht would be a great floor spreader for Barnes and RJ, along with Dick. However, they love Poeltl, so FO probably passes.
For Toronto, eating the second year of Vincent sucks, but he can be used as good ballast while Knecht would be a great floor spreader for Barnes and RJ, along with Dick. However, they love Poeltl, so FO probably passes.
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Knecht I think isn't what Toronto needs at all. Dick and Barrett are playing very well offensively and the perimeter defence looks abysmal.
If you take out Knecht and add a fairly juicy pick, it definitely gets interesting with Poeltl being gone helping the tank, and that pick being tradeable or usable for an eventual replacement center (or to trade up in the draft for one at some point).
If you take out Knecht and add a fairly juicy pick, it definitely gets interesting with Poeltl being gone helping the tank, and that pick being tradeable or usable for an eventual replacement center (or to trade up in the draft for one at some point).
Where's the D?
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I think Lakers are better off targeting 2 of Brown or Davion with Boucher.
Gabe+Christie for Davion+Boucher
DLo+Gabe+Christie for Bruce+Boucher
Gabe+Christie for Davion+Boucher
DLo+Gabe+Christie for Bruce+Boucher
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zimpy27 wrote:I think Lakers are better off targeting 2 of Brown or Davion with Boucher.
Gabe+Christie for Davion+Boucher
DLo+Gabe+Christie for Bruce+Boucher
Is christie supposed to be positive value? he looks more like the next Nnaji right now
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Scoot McGroot wrote:Feels like Dalton alone should be enough value for the returning package. Maybe too much, and it's 2-4 2nds instead? Or a far off, top 20 protected 1st? Who knows. But I wouldn't say that Vincent is a bad contract that needs payment to offload when it's relatively small, and Toronto is also shifting future money from Poeltl's deal. Historically, we've just seen guys like Vincent basically shrugged off as "whatever salary" in a trade when a team like the Lakers would be taking back more future salary, even if it's on a better player like Poeltl.
Just hard to visualize the valuations here, but feels like Knecht AND multiple 2nds are probably too much.
I think OP has Poeltl = Knecht + DAR and Davion = Vincent + 2nds. I would say the 1st part favors Toronto slightly (may be more if you are high on knecht) and the latter part favors the lakers slightly (should cost more than 2 2nds to dump the extra 15.5M guaranteed imo)
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Raps are not trading Yak leaving them no starting level C....rebuild or not.
They are far more likely to re-sign Yak when the time comes.
They are far more likely to re-sign Yak when the time comes.
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Godaddycurse wrote:zimpy27 wrote:I think Lakers are better off targeting 2 of Brown or Davion with Boucher.
Gabe+Christie for Davion+Boucher
DLo+Gabe+Christie for Bruce+Boucher
Is christie supposed to be positive value? he looks more like the next Nnaji right now
Yeah I'd say he has neutral value.
None of these players in the deal are positive value though, neutral to negative.
It's more a choice of Raptors to go for the younger piece and Lakers to go for more experienced piece.
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zimpy27 wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:zimpy27 wrote:I think Lakers are better off targeting 2 of Brown or Davion with Boucher.
Gabe+Christie for Davion+Boucher
DLo+Gabe+Christie for Bruce+Boucher
Is christie supposed to be positive value? he looks more like the next Nnaji right now
Yeah I'd say he has neutral value.
None of these players in the deal are positive value though, neutral to negative.
It's more a choice of Raptors to go for the younger piece and Lakers to go for more experienced piece.
I rather keep our expirings
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Scoot McGroot wrote:Feels like Dalton alone should be enough value for the returning package. Maybe too much, and it's 2-4 2nds instead? Or a far off, top 20 protected 1st? Who knows. But I wouldn't say that Vincent is a bad contract that needs payment to offload when it's relatively small, and Toronto is also shifting future money from Poeltl's deal. Historically, we've just seen guys like Vincent basically shrugged off as "whatever salary" in a trade when a team like the Lakers would be taking back more future salary, even if it's on a better player like Poeltl.
Just hard to visualize the valuations here, but feels like Knecht AND multiple 2nds are probably too much.
Plus 1. I'd find other ways to incentivise Toronto (more 2nds or another young guy, or walking away if Knecht is insisted on.
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zimpy27 wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:zimpy27 wrote:I think Lakers are better off targeting 2 of Brown or Davion with Boucher.
Gabe+Christie for Davion+Boucher
DLo+Gabe+Christie for Bruce+Boucher
Is christie supposed to be positive value? he looks more like the next Nnaji right now
Yeah I'd say he has neutral value.
None of these players in the deal are positive value though, neutral to negative.
It's more a choice of Raptors to go for the younger piece and Lakers to go for more experienced piece.
Poeltl definitely has positive value. At 15/11/3, he can be the starting C on a championship contender.
None of the other pieces here have as much value as him, although Knecht is the closest. Knecht hasn’t proven to be a starting quality player on a championship team, although his shooting is very interesting.
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MessiahUjiri wrote:zimpy27 wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:
Is christie supposed to be positive value? he looks more like the next Nnaji right now
Yeah I'd say he has neutral value.
None of these players in the deal are positive value though, neutral to negative.
It's more a choice of Raptors to go for the younger piece and Lakers to go for more experienced piece.
Poeltl definitely has positive value. At 15/11/3, he can be the starting C on a championship contender.
None of the other pieces here have as much value as him, although Knecht is the closest. Knecht hasn’t proven to be a starting quality player on a championship team, although his shooting is very interesting.
Yeah Poeltl and Knecht have postiive value, I was referring to my post that had DLo, Gabe, Christie, Bruce Brown, Davion, Boucher.
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Duffman100 wrote:BigGargamel wrote:Raptors traded a first for Poeltl and resigned him. For some reason they love that guy.
For some reason? He's a good center.
15, 11 and 3, with 2 stocks. Good passer, screen setting and defender. He's a good rebuild center that helps enable postivie play across the board.
I don't think the value is quite there for the Raps on this deal

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The Lakers would be overpaying, but this isn't a Masai trade either. He'd look bad for moving Poeltl for one thing.
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