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Let's do a little knee-jerk reaction on this Wednesday morning. The Klay experiment has been the garbage D many predicted that Kidd/Nico did not want to see. What can Dallas get for Klay after Dec. 15 to see if they can get this team back to formidable playoff-caliber

Would Philly do a deal centered around Caleb Martin?
Is there a 3 team trade where Dallas sends Klay/filler to Team X, gets Jerami Grant from PDX?

I think Dallas would be best suited to move PJ to the 3 and get a 3&D 4, but offers for a SF or PF are welcome.

Klay + Kleber + Omax match Jerami Grant's salary exactly. Add a first and maybe a 2nd. I dont think Klay and Kleber's contracts are viewed as positive value.

daoneandonly wrote:Let's do a little knee-jerk reaction on this Wednesday morning. The Klay experiment has been the garbage D many predicted that Kidd/Nico did not want to see. What can Dallas get for Klay after Dec. 15 to see if they can get this team back to formidable playoff-caliber

Would Philly do a deal centered around Caleb Martin?
Is there a 3 team trade where Dallas sends Klay/filler to Team X, gets Jerami Grant from PDX?

I think Dallas would be best suited to move PJ to the 3 and get a 3&D 4, but offers for a SF or PF are welcome.

POR has no problem moving Grant for value. Good luck finding a team willing to give value for him.

Klay has no trade value.

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If the no or negative trade value is indeed true, perhaps Dal is stuck. What is Keldon Johnson's trade value across the league? Negative, positive, neutral?

Would a 3-way of Klay to Orl? Cole Anthony to SA? Keldon to Dal work? With the appropriate filler to make the $ work?

Klay is shooting 40% from 3, on good volume with double digit on/off swing, he's the least of Mavs problems...

Mavrelous wrote:Klay is shooting 40% from 3, on good volume with double digit on/off swing, he's the least of Mavs problems...

Well 41 from the field, 37 from 3. Is that good? Sure, for him with his terrible defense now, not so much. He just doesnt work with Luka/Kyrie IMO.

daoneandonly wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:Klay is shooting 40% from 3, on good volume with double digit on/off swing, he's the least of Mavs problems...

Well 41 from the field, 37 from 3. Is that good? Sure, for him with his terrible defense now, not so much. He just doesnt work with Luka/Kyrie IMO.

He's mostly shooting 3s, that's why his FG% is low, 37% is fine at this volume.
He's working great with Luka, bench minutes are the problem, and late game execution...

What about Kleber + Prosper for Thybulle + Walker.

MT can give around 15-20 minutes of high energy play off the bench, was a 35% 3PT guy last year, great locker room add, etc.

PDX takes a swing on Prosper and hopefully Ayton is moved and Kleber can be a swing 3rd string PF/C.

daoneandonly wrote:Let's do a little knee-jerk reaction on this Wednesday morning. The Klay experiment has been the garbage D many predicted that Kidd/Nico did not want to see. What can Dallas get for Klay after Dec. 15 to see if they can get this team back to formidable playoff-caliber

Would Philly do a deal centered around Caleb Martin?
Is there a 3 team trade where Dallas sends Klay/filler to Team X, gets Jerami Grant from PDX?

I think Dallas would be best suited to move PJ to the 3 and get a 3&D 4, but offers for a SF or PF are welcome.

PJ does not have the ability to play the 3 except in very specific matchups.

With that said, yall want Grant Williams or Josh Green back for Klay?

DJJ was a better fit.

Maybe target him?

i'd trade an irresponsible amount of assets to give Josh Green back to Dallas for Klay. yall were totally wrong about Grant but we got extremely tricked on this guy. he's worse than garbage

KembaWalker wrote:i'd trade an irresponsible amount of assets to give Josh Green back to Dallas for Klay. yall were totally wrong about Grant but we got extremely tricked on this guy. he's worse than garbage

thats illegal until offseason

KembaWalker wrote:i'd trade an irresponsible amount of assets to give Josh Green back to Dallas for Klay. yall were totally wrong about Grant but we got extremely tricked on this guy. he's worse than garbage

I tried to tell the world and they called me hater

zimpy27 wrote:DJJ was a better fit.

Maybe target him?

He's tearing it up in LA, they'd be stupid to trade him...

As sad as I was when he left, no way the Warriors trade for him given the torrid start and the fact that Buddy Hield has filled the Bahamian sharpshooter role Klay vacated quite nicely.

Thompson + filler for KCP? Magic had interest in thompson before i think

daoneandonly wrote:If the no or negative trade value is indeed true, perhaps Dal is stuck. What is Keldon Johnson's trade value across the league? Negative, positive, neutral?

Would a 3-way of Klay to Orl? Cole Anthony to SA? Keldon to Dal work? With the appropriate filler to make the $ work?

Spurs aren't moving Keldon for Cole Anthony, they don't need that archetype.

The best route is to do what a lot of Warrior fans have said would be the best role for Klay: off the bench microwave guy. Easier match ups on O and D, if the shot is falling you play him a few more minutes. I think he's a + guy in that role. Let one of the younger guys grow in the starting lineup/closing. You do have to deal with Klay potentially sulking unfortunately, (which was part of why I was happy when Dallas signed him) but it's the best route. At minimum take him out of the closing group.

As for trades, I can't think of anything that would work. Klay is a defensively challenged guy off multiple injuries, and there are a lot of guys in the NBA now that can hit 37-40% from 3 without good defense. At 18 million you're just getting filler back, so tough to improve anything with a trade. Still crazy to me though that Dallas was not willing to pay DJJ the $9,523,810 is making this year.

Dallas has just hit an early season rough patch, Luka hasn't shot his normal % and Lively missed some games where he could have swung the balance. +3.4 point differential says to me this team will be climbing the standings soon, though I question whether they can be in the top 4.

DonaldSanders wrote: Still crazy to me though that Dallas was not willing to pay DJJ the $9,523,810 is making this year.

By all accounts they were. Niko came out and said he was priority one, two, and three. Then he changed agents the day before free agency meaning he couldn't sign anywhere immediately and Dallas didn't want to risk putting everything in that basket only for him to sign elsewhere so they quickly pivoted to Marshall(who is the DJJ replacement btw, not Klay. Klay is the Tim Hardaway replacement and its hard to argue the THJ of the past two seasons is a better option for the same annual salary as Klay...)

Lots of ways to look at Dallas. Is it Luka is shooting poorly coming off no pre-season? Is it working the new guys into the rotation and figuring out who is getting backup guard minutes (Grimes, Hardy, Dinwiddie have all gotten run with no real consistent rotation). Is it simply variance where they have lost a bunch of games in the last possession? Is it having Kleber, Lively, Washington all out at the same time severely testing their big man depth? Or it is something more fundamental wrong?

I don't see how we can know yet so Dallas doesn't need to be panic trading Klay(or anyone else atm). I think ideally they'd convert Kleber/Powell's money into a more reliable spacing big, but with such limited assets I suspect thats a deadline move if at all.

but what I know they don't do is pick a scapegoat like we get tempted to as fans and just look to dump them ASAP.