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Lakers trade: DLo, Gabe Vincent, LAC 25 second-round pick
Wizards trade: Jordan Poole

The Lakers take a gamble on Poole being an awesome scorer playing off Lebron.
Wizards save a ton of long-term money, opening up more time for Bub.

Money matches up perfectly, thoughts?

Lakers are not bailing out the Wizards.

Lakers are not going to be fooled by 10 games of outlier shooting. They can get a better player with far less financial risk attached to him. Or you know, just keep Russell.

Lakers may be forced into something like this if they want to compete.
No one is taking their calls where DLo is concerned. So they either ride it out or take a chance.

louc1970 wrote:Lakers may be forced into something like this if they want to compete.
No one is taking their calls where DLo is concerned. So they either ride it out or take a chance.

I’d rather have D’Angelo and his expiring contact than Jordan Poole and his contract. And I’d venture that 32 GMs would agree.

Maybe at the deadline this is something that could be considered if the trends on Poole and DLo continue, too early right now.

The 2nd is going the wrong way

Thats a horrible contract

Poole was a big negative last year, Dlo was solid in the season at least

If we want to take a big shot like that, rather just push in Vando and JHS or Rui and go get Lavine

I doubt Was would compensate us with much

But if they want to throw in one of their "meh" young guys and 1-2 2nds in a 3 teamer (routing to Utah) and then we send Utah a 1st and salary filler for Kessler, I would be more intrigued

Reaves, Vando/Reddish, Rui, Bron, AD
Poole, Christie, Knecht, Vando/Reddish, Kessler
Wood

Can also look to still upgrade the SG spot with whatever is left over

Karmaloop wrote:

louc1970 wrote:Lakers may be forced into something like this if they want to compete.
No one is taking their calls where DLo is concerned. So they either ride it out or take a chance.

I’d rather have D’Angelo and his expiring contact than Jordan Poole and his contract. And I’d venture that 32 GMs would agree.

That may very well be what the Lakers do - let DLo expire and move on next year. But if the Lakers want to improve and have a chnce this year, they will have to take on someone's yard sale members. Who it is, is anyone's guess.

Yeah, the Wiz have no incentive to make this deal.

Maybe the outside perception is that the Wiz are just dying to move on from Poole...but personally, I haven't seen any evidence of that.

His contract isn't that bad imo.....especially where the Wizards are in their team development.

No reason for the Wizards to do this. They do not want to be good for at least another year after this season. They need to reach the 90% salary floor. Poole helps them do that and he's been playing well this. They already have a ton of expirings anyways.

mhd wrote:No reason for the Wizards to do this. They do not want to be good for at least another year after this season. They need to reach the 90% salary floor. Poole helps them do that and he's been playing well this. They already have a ton of expirings anyways.

I mean this trade probably doesn't make a difference to their win total, it's not like DLo or Vincent are singlehandedly going to win you 30 games. Cuts a bunch of future salary and adds a pick. If they think JPoo is gonna be a 44% 3 point shooter for the rest of his career they shouldn't do it, but based on his past, why wouldn't they?

So you could have this specific bad contract on the books to hit the floor. Or you could have more space next year to sell for bad contracts to still hit the salary floor but also get an asset.

Yeah I can't think of a single reason either....

Russell, Vincent, Vanderbilt, and top 6 protected 29 1st for Brogdon, Valanciunas, and Johnny Davis

Texas Chuck wrote:So you could have this specific bad contract on the books to hit the floor. Or you could have more space next year to sell for bad contracts to still hit the salary floor but also get an asset.

Yeah I can't think of a single reason either....

There are very few bad contracts for sale, and the compensation to buy them is really mediocre. GM's are smarter now. Also, the Wizards already project to have $34M in cap room next season (assuming $10M going to their lotto pick). It's going to be hard enough to find contracts to buy with that space. They don't need even more space.

If the Wizards shop players, they will look to move Brogdon, Kuzma and JV, who have contracts that are easier to swallow, as well as two-way ability that a contending team might give up real value to acquire.

the_process wrote:Russell, Vincent, Vanderbilt, and top 6 protected 29 1st for Brogdon, Valanciunas, and Johnny Davis

Yes. This is the type of deal that makes much more sense for both teams.

I'm not saying the Wizards would automatically be able to do anything. But they might. Or they might be able to sign a player better than Poole.

So yeah I can think of a single reason(I can think of multiple obviously).

I can find objective reasons why not having his full contract on the books might be positive even if nothing immediately great comes to fruition. I'd certainly prefer the optionality.

nate33 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:So you could have this specific bad contract on the books to hit the floor. Or you could have more space next year to sell for bad contracts to still hit the salary floor but also get an asset.

Yeah I can't think of a single reason either....

There are very few bad contracts for sale, and the compensation to buy them is really mediocre. GM's are smarter now. Also, the Wizards already project to have $34M in cap room next season (assuming $10M going to their lotto pick). It's going to be hard enough to find contracts to buy with that space. They don't need even more space.

If the Wizards shop players, they will look to move Brogdon, Kuzma and JV, who have contracts that are easier to swallow, as well as two-way ability that a contending team might give up real value to acquire.

Historically Have we ever seen an offseason where not one team salary dumped ? The opportunity to take on some money will always present itself.

I don’t see it being that hard. There is always overpaid players, teams with tax problems or teams that want to pivot.

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:

nate33 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:So you could have this specific bad contract on the books to hit the floor. Or you could have more space next year to sell for bad contracts to still hit the salary floor but also get an asset.

Yeah I can't think of a single reason either....

There are very few bad contracts for sale, and the compensation to buy them is really mediocre. GM's are smarter now. Also, the Wizards already project to have $34M in cap room next season (assuming $10M going to their lotto pick). It's going to be hard enough to find contracts to buy with that space. They don't need even more space.

If the Wizards shop players, they will look to move Brogdon, Kuzma and JV, who have contracts that are easier to swallow, as well as two-way ability that a contending team might give up real value to acquire.

Historically Have we ever seen an offseason where not one team salary dumped ? The opportunity to take on some money will always present itself.

I don’t see it being that hard. There is always overpaid players, teams with tax problems or teams that want to pivot.

There haven't been any major salary dumps in a long time. Name one recent trade where a team gave up a first round pick just to unload a bad contract.

The only recent deal I can think of is San Antonio acquiring Barnes' $18m/yr contract from SAC to facilitate the DeRozan deal. And in that deal, all San Antonio got was a swap. And as I pointed out in my post, the Wizards ALREADY HAVE $34M in cap room to make such a deal. There is virtually no chance that a situation will arise where having $50M in cap room is going to be more helpful than having $34M in cap room. No team is going to give up value to dump a $50M player. Teams with $50M players at the twilight of their careers either have no picks to trade, or aren't willing to give away picks because they know they are entering a rebuild soon.

Seriously. Look through the contracts of luxtax teams next year and find a deal that makes sense. The deals just aren't out there.

nate33 wrote:

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:

nate33 wrote:There are very few bad contracts for sale, and the compensation to buy them is really mediocre. GM's are smarter now. Also, the Wizards already project to have $34M in cap room next season (assuming $10M going to their lotto pick). It's going to be hard enough to find contracts to buy with that space. They don't need even more space.

If the Wizards shop players, they will look to move Brogdon, Kuzma and JV, who have contracts that are easier to swallow, as well as two-way ability that a contending team might give up real value to acquire.

Historically Have we ever seen an offseason where not one team salary dumped ? The opportunity to take on some money will always present itself.

I don’t see it being that hard. There is always overpaid players, teams with tax problems or teams that want to pivot.

There haven't been any major salary dumps in a long time. Name one recent trade where a team gave up a first round pick just to unload a bad contract.

The only recent deal I can think of is San Antonio acquiring Barnes' $18m/yr contract from SAC to facilitate the DeRozan deal. And in that deal, all San Antonio got was a swap. And as I pointed out in my post, the Wizards ALREADY HAVE $34M in cap room to make such a deal. There is virtually no chance that a situation will arise where having $50M in cap room is going to be more helpful than having $34M in cap room. No team is going to give up value to dump a $50M player. Teams with $50M players at the twilight of their careers either have no picks to trade, or aren't willing to give away picks because they know they are entering a rebuild soon.

Seriously. Look through the contracts of luxtax teams next year and find a deal that makes sense. The deals just aren't out there.

Holmes + #24 for cap space in 2023 draft.

Mavrelous wrote:

nate33 wrote:

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Historically Have we ever seen an offseason where not one team salary dumped ? The opportunity to take on some money will always present itself.

I don’t see it being that hard. There is always overpaid players, teams with tax problems or teams that want to pivot.

There haven't been any major salary dumps in a long time. Name one recent trade where a team gave up a first round pick just to unload a bad contract.

The only recent deal I can think of is San Antonio acquiring Barnes' $18m/yr contract from SAC to facilitate the DeRozan deal. And in that deal, all San Antonio got was a swap. And as I pointed out in my post, the Wizards ALREADY HAVE $34M in cap room to make such a deal. There is virtually no chance that a situation will arise where having $50M in cap room is going to be more helpful than having $34M in cap room. No team is going to give up value to dump a $50M player. Teams with $50M players at the twilight of their careers either have no picks to trade, or aren't willing to give away picks because they know they are entering a rebuild soon.

Seriously. Look through the contracts of luxtax teams next year and find a deal that makes sense. The deals just aren't out there.

Holmes + #24 for cap space in 2023 draft.

Good one.

But as I said earlier, the Wizards currently have $34M in cap room to facilitate such a deal.