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16/3/3, 0.674 TS% , 3.8 BPM. Ranked 59th in EPM.
26 years old on in the first year of a team friendly 4/30 contract.
6th man of the year candidate with the Cs and could probably start with a lot of teams.
What’s his value in a hypothetical trade scenario?

This screams vanity thread. You should at least state what Boston is looking for and why they would consider trading Pritchard (whom I think is a fantastic player FWIW)

I don't think you are getting more than SRPs with expiring money.

To get an FRP then he need to show he's a starter level player and what his role would be in that instance.

does boston have an in house replacement for Pritchard? their starting lineup is stacked already so not sure why you would trade pritchard

Godaddycurse wrote:does boston have an in house replacement for Pritchard? their starting lineup is stacked already so not sure why you would trade pritchard

Just curious about value? The Cs might need to look to save some money over the next year or two. They currently start two point guards in Jrue and White so could eat up the minutes with wings like Hauser, Walsh or Springer. I don’t think the Cs are actively looking to trade him or anyone. I am just curious.

Village Idiot wrote:This screams vanity thread. You should at least state what Boston is looking for and why they would consider trading Pritchard (whom I think is a fantastic player FWIW)

Can’t a guy be curious about what people think about trade value anymore? Sheesh.

Pritchard is worth more to the Celtics than the few SRPs they could probably get in return for him as a shooting specialist., so I'm not sure what is the rationale behind this idea.

wemby wrote:Pritchard is worth more to the Celtics than the few SRPs they could probably get in return for him as a shooting specialist., so I'm not sure what is the rationale behind this idea.

True. The Celtics likely need to trim at some point to reset or minimize the repeater tax. That’s the premise. Anyone aside from Brown and Tatum could be a possibility. It’s also possible that ownership is willing to bite the bullet and pay repeater tax, but J can’t see it for more than 1 year.

Thunder would cough a 1st

brackdan70 wrote:

Village Idiot wrote:This screams vanity thread. You should at least state what Boston is looking for and why they would consider trading Pritchard (whom I think is a fantastic player FWIW)

Can’t a guy be curious about what people think about trade value anymore? Sheesh.

Of course you can. But the OP doesn't seem like a guy just interested in his value, but rather a guy trying to pump it up. Citing a small sample size and cherry picked stats and making the claim he'd be a starter on a lot of teams (would love to hear which ones) based on....?

You did come back and indicate the motivation might be financial but then for that trade to happen now and not in the off-season, Boston would need to ship him out with no salary coming back or they would keep this great player you are selling for a playoff run rather than worse salary to get whatever minor asset he returns.

And we still haven't even mentioned they are the defending champs and handed out all those extensions willingly. Now with the team up for sale, who knows what future payroll limitations may or may not exist.

But I think its fair to question this thread, today, November 16, 2024. And you have to know that considering how you composed that OP,


Now all that aside, I think he has essentially no trade market. I don't think any team would have wanted to sign him to the contract Boston gave him with his career to date mostly having consisted of this odd ability to make end of quarter heavens. Boston has been much better with him off the court than on--including this year where he's suddenly a 6MOY candidate and top 60 player....

brackdan70 wrote:16/3/3, 0.674 TS% , 3.8 BPM. Ranked 59th in EPM.
26 years old on in the first year of a team friendly 4/30 contract.
6th man of the year candidate with the Cs and could probably start with a lot of teams.
What’s his value in a hypothetical trade scenario?

His actual value depends on if PP is having a breakout season and moving up in the NBA pecking order, or if he is just having a hot 3 weeks and is going to regress.

Probably his value will have solidified after the season, depending especially how he performs in the playoffs. It may be a moot point because he fit so well on court and salary wise with the Cs… but in a second apron world a team with an MVP level salary commitment (Giannis, Jokic taking $60+ million etc), he’d be pretty valuable to any such contender under a budget crunch.

Of course the problem is that teams under the budget crunch are also second apron teams, so hard to trade with absent a third team. And even more problematic is Bucks, Nuggets are mostly depleted of draft capital, desirable contracts etc, having put their eggs in the basket of competing right now.

So what would Payton actually bring back for the Celts, I think too hard to say until we know if PP sustains this level of play. But just hypothetically if the Nuggets had their pick for this year (not a far out year that could win up in lottery) and they expected come trade deadline that it’d be like 27th in 2025 first round, I think they’d contemplate moving it for Payton if we’re talking hypothetical world without 2nd apron. For sure. Payton’s production at $7 million a year is extremely valuable. The Celtics being under budget crunch would just be unlikely to move him.

Texas Chuck wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:

Village Idiot wrote:This screams vanity thread. You should at least state what Boston is looking for and why they would consider trading Pritchard (whom I think is a fantastic player FWIW)

Can’t a guy be curious about what people think about trade value anymore? Sheesh.

Of course you can. But the OP doesn't seem like a guy just interested in his value, but rather a guy trying to pump it up. Citing a small sample size and cherry picked stats and making the claim he'd be a starter on a lot of teams (would love to hear which ones) based on....?

You did come back and indicate the motivation might be financial but then for that trade to happen now and not in the off-season, Boston would need to ship him out with no salary coming back or they would keep this great player you are selling for a playoff run rather than worse salary to get whatever minor asset he returns.

And we still haven't even mentioned they are the defending champs and handed out all those extensions willingly. Now with the team up for sale, who knows what future payroll limitations may or may not exist.

But I think its fair to question this thread, today, November 16, 2024. And you have to know that considering how you composed that OP,


Now all that aside, I think he has essentially no trade market. I don't think any team would have wanted to sign him to the contract Boston gave him with his career to date mostly having consisted of this odd ability to make end of quarter heavens. Boston has been much better with him off the court than on--including this year where he's suddenly a 6MOY candidate and top 60 player....

Ehhh. Thanks for the contribution Chuck.

zimpy27 wrote:I don't think you are getting more than SRPs with expiring money.

To get an FRP then he need to show he's a starter level player and what his role would be in that instance.

Yeah I think that might be the case. I think he has outplayed his draft position as a late first and is under a friendly contract, but teams value their FRPs highly for the potential.

redslastlaugh wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:16/3/3, 0.674 TS% , 3.8 BPM. Ranked 59th in EPM.
26 years old on in the first year of a team friendly 4/30 contract.
6th man of the year candidate with the Cs and could probably start with a lot of teams.
What’s his value in a hypothetical trade scenario?

His actual value depends on if PP is having a breakout season and moving up in the NBA pecking order, or if he is just having a hot 3 weeks and is going to regress.

Probably his value will have solidified after the season, depending especially how he performs in the playoffs. It may be a moot point because he fit so well on court and salary wise with the Cs… but in a second apron world a team with an MVP level salary commitment (Giannis, Jokic taking $60+ million etc), he’d be pretty valuable to any such contender under a budget crunch.

Of course the problem is that teams under the budget crunch are also second apron teams, so hard to trade with absent a third team. And even more problematic is Bucks, Nuggets are mostly depleted of draft capital, desirable contracts etc, having put their eggs in the basket of competing right now.

So what would Payton actually bring back for the Celts, I think too hard to say until we know if PP sustains this level of play. But just hypothetically if the Nuggets had their pick for this year (not a far out year that could win up in lottery) and they expected come trade deadline that it’d be like 27th in 2025 first round, I think they’d contemplate moving it for Payton if we’re talking hypothetical world without 2nd apron. For sure. Payton’s production at $7 million a year is extremely valuable. The Celtics being under budget crunch would just be unlikely to move him.

Yeah good points. It’s a small sample size. If he can keep it then the picture becomes clearer.

With his contract, I think a lottery protected first would and should be on offer.

babyjax13 wrote:With his contract, I think a lottery protected first would and should be on offer.

I think might be the top end. If the situation was just right.
He is one of the top 10 guys from his draft, and that contract is nice so I could see it.

babyjax13 wrote:With his contract, I think a lottery protected first would and should be on offer.

From who?

brackdan70 wrote:He is one of the top 10 guys from his draft, and that contract is nice so I could see it.

These are his classmates:
Edwards
Haliburton
Maxey
Bane
Lamelo
Vassell
McDaniels
Avdija
Quickley
Nesmith
Isaiah Joe
Okonwgu
Okoro
Obi Toppin
Isaiah Stewart
Patrick Williams
Saddiq Bey
Cole Anthony
Tre Jones
Sam Merrill

You're telling me you can't find 10 players better than him from that list? If so, I don't think you watch much basketball besides the Celtics.

wemby wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:He is one of the top 10 guys from his draft, and that contract is nice so I could see it.

These are his classmates:
Edwards
Haliburton
Maxey
Bane
Lamelo
Vassell
McDaniels
Avdija
Quickley
Nesmith
Isaiah Joe
Okonwgu
Okoro
Obi Toppin
Isaiah Stewart
Patrick Williams
Saddiq Bey
Cole Anthony
Tre Jones
Sam Merrill

You're telling me you can't find 10 players better than him from that list? If so, I don't think you watch much basketball besides the Celtics.

I think top 10 is about right..

wemby wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:He is one of the top 10 guys from his draft, and that contract is nice so I could see it.

These are his classmates:
Edwards
Haliburton
Maxey
Bane
Lamelo
Vassell
McDaniels
Avdija
Quickley
Nesmith
Isaiah Joe
Okonwgu
Okoro
Obi Toppin
Isaiah Stewart
Patrick Williams
Saddiq Bey
Cole Anthony
Tre Jones
Sam Merrill

You're telling me you can't find 10 players better than him from that list? If so, I don't think you watch much basketball besides the Celtics.

He is top 10 in impact over his career. Win Shares, BPM, VORP. Who are the 10 guys you would have over him. ?