LAL/NOP

[dcstanley]

Inspired by Ingram torching the Lakers tonight

LAL in: Brandon Ingram and Jeremiah Robinson Earl

Pelicans in: D'Angelo Russell, Max Christie, Jared Vanderbilt, Max Lewis, 2028 Swap, 2029 FRP

Lakers spend draft capital to get an upgrade on the wing for some guys who have disappointed. Pelicans cash in on Ingram for an expiring DLO, post Lebron/AD draft capital and some young guys with potential that might need a change of scenery.

LAL:
Reaves/Vincent
Knecht/Reddish
Ingram/Rui
Lebron/JRE/Wood
AD/Koloko/Hayes

Pels:
Murray/DLO/Alvarado
CJ/Hawkins/Christie
Murphy/Green/Boston
Jones/Vanderbilt
Zion/Missi

[axeman23]

Maxed out Ingram isn't worth that long-range draft capital. Same reason I wouldn't touch him as a Cavs fan. Someone else can overpay, or he can readjust his expectations.

[dcstanley]

Maxed out Ingram isn't worth that long-range draft capital. Same reason I wouldn't touch him as a Cavs fan. Someone else can overpay, or he can readjust his expectations.

What about for one FRP? Does Ingram make the Lakers good enough for one or two playoff runs with this aged core?

[zimpy27]

I've posted a number of threads on Ingram to Lakers, I think it's one of the few avenues that makes sense if Lakers give up DLo. Lakers need playmaking back if they lose DLo.

I think Ingram can replace Rui in starting lineup and I think Pels need a Zion backup which Rui would fit.

So I think DLo+Rui+JHS+pick(s) for Ingram+Theis is ideal for Lakers part.

I think Pels will want to cut $3.5m so they can drop below tax, that's where it gets complicated, a 3rd team is needed.

[MessiahUjiri]

What does NOP want to do though? Do they want to try and compete this season? Giving up so early in the season for a borderline tax team seems like pathetic Front Office management.

DLo, Max Christie, Vando are like empty salary. So the value here is the ‘28 swap and the ‘29 1st.

[YayBasketball]

What does NOP want to do though? Do they want to try and compete this season? Giving up so early in the season for a borderline tax team seems like pathetic Front Office management.

DLo, Max Christie, Vando are like empty salary. So the value here is the ‘28 swap and the ‘29 1st.

Yea they will most likely keep trying to stay afloat and hope for a winning streak as they get their injured players back. CJ and Hawkins is due back soon and Murray should be on the way next month. They invested too much in the Murray trade to tank this early.

Buuut, if at the trade deadline they are so far out of the play-in race and still dealing with injuries, then they could be forced to pivot to a rebuilding, tank approach. I'm still skeptical that Ingram will be traded until it actually happens. Feels like the 2 sides will come to some agreement to make it work, then Cj gets dumped this offseason.

[Showtime:Part2]

Lakers should be trading for Zion not Ingram. Zion should be available and he actually contributes to winning unlike Ingram

[Shock Defeat]

Lakers should be trading for Zion not Ingram. Zion should be available and he actually contributes to winning unlike Ingram

If Zion was available other teams would be giving up way more than the mediocre package that the Lakers can offer.

[jbk1234]

Maxed out Ingram isn't worth that long-range draft capital. Same reason I wouldn't touch him as a Cavs fan. Someone else can overpay, or he can readjust his expectations.

The Lakers are in a very different place than the Cavs. LBJ is talking about retiring after next season. They don't own their own picks for awhile. Having Igram and AD raises their floorm

[Showtime:Part2]

Lakers should be trading for Zion not Ingram. Zion should be available and he actually contributes to winning unlike Ingram

If Zion was available other teams would be giving up way more than the mediocre package that the Lakers can offer.

Hmm I’m not so sure. It’s a lot of money to pay someone who doesn’t play. Lakers could offer vando, rui and 2 unprotected firsts (29, 31) plus 3 seconds I believe. I’m happy to start a new thread bc I don’t think zions value is what you think it is, but I don’t wanna be rude to the ops topic and veer of course. Happy to discuss respectfully in a new thread if you want me to make one

[YayBasketball]

Lakers should be trading for Zion not Ingram. Zion should be available and he actually contributes to winning unlike Ingram

If Zion was available other teams would be giving up way more than the mediocre package that the Lakers can offer.

Hmm I’m not so sure. It’s a lot of money to pay someone who doesn’t play. Lakers could offer vando, rui and 2 unprotected firsts (29, 31) plus 3 seconds I believe. I’m happy to start a new thread bc I don’t think zions value is what you think it is, but I don’t wanna be rude to the ops topic and veer of course. Happy to discuss respectfully in a new thread if you want me to make one

I think GM Griffin would like to trade Zion if he could get a big enough offer. But with the injuries again, it's doubtful a team would give up significant value, so Pels most likely just have to stand pat and wait for a healthy Zion stretch.

What if the Nets go for Z while keeping the tank? They get a semi-star at a discount rate, can load manage/ sit him throughout the season as he recovers from injury. Add him next season with Cam Thomas, lotto rookie, and any free agents they get.

Claxton+pick or Cam Johnson + picks. So Nets can clear salary and lessen their roster talent this season, preserving some cap space next offseason. Pels move on from the Zion roller-coaster headache, re-sign Ingram (or trade him, too), and retool with a fun team.

Claxton/ Missi
Murphy/
Ingram/ Boston
Herb/ Hawkins
Murray/ Jose

[Jody Smokz]

The Lakers NEED and I mean NEED 2 way players. Ingram does not solve their current roster issues nor is he worth the future investment along with losing draft capital. Once you make this deal you are committed to BI with AD as the team for the next 3 years or so. Lakers are better off staying flexible for other moves after this season.

[louc1970]

Maxed out Ingram isn't worth that long-range draft capital. Same reason I wouldn't touch him as a Cavs fan. Someone else can overpay, or he can readjust his expectations.

The Lakers are in a very different place than the Cavs. LBJ is talking about retiring after next season. They don't own their own picks for awhile. Having Igram and AD raises their floorm

While it is fans putting the offers out there, no one is biting on DLo, Christie, JHS in any arrangement (regardless if it is Hachimura, Vanderbilt, etc.) LA must add to the package.

[louc1970]

Lakers should be trading for Zion not Ingram. Zion should be available and he actually contributes to winning unlike Ingram

If Zion was available other teams would be giving up way more than the mediocre package that the Lakers can offer.

Hmm I’m not so sure. It’s a lot of money to pay someone who doesn’t play. Lakers could offer vando, rui and 2 unprotected firsts (29, 31) plus 3 seconds I believe. I’m happy to start a new thread bc I don’t think zions value is what you think it is, but I don’t wanna be rude to the ops topic and veer of course. Happy to discuss respectfully in a new thread if you want me to make one

And that would be rejected quickly by NOP. Imagine the offers from other teams coming in for Zion (and I do not value him as much as others).

Rockets build a trade around Jabari Smith and Eason and filler.
Pistons offer everyone not named Cunningham.
The Thunder can offer pick after pick after pick plus Wallace, topic, Dieng, ....

[YayBasketball]

If Zion was available other teams would be giving up way more than the mediocre package that the Lakers can offer.

Hmm I’m not so sure. It’s a lot of money to pay someone who doesn’t play. Lakers could offer vando, rui and 2 unprotected firsts (29, 31) plus 3 seconds I believe. I’m happy to start a new thread bc I don’t think zions value is what you think it is, but I don’t wanna be rude to the ops topic and veer of course. Happy to discuss respectfully in a new thread if you want me to make one

And that would be rejected quickly by NOP. Imagine the offers from other teams coming in for Zion (and I do not value him as much as others).

Rockets build a trade around Jabari Smith and Eason and filler.
Pistons offer everyone not named Cunningham.
The Thunder can offer pick after pick after pick plus Wallace, topic, Dieng, ....

But see, I don't see any of those teams you mentioned offering anything close to those packages. The injuries and inconsistencies with ZW has reached a near tipping point in value. Eason is showing to be a game changing player, doubt HOU would offer him to pair Sengun and Zion for a clunky apacing/defense fit. Pistons are now run by Langdon who is all too familiar with Zion's injury history and work ethic/maturity issues. Doubt he offers too much there. OKC.. don't see them adding Zion's 35+mil. contract to their core, when they could save that salary slot and assets for a true game changer like Giannis.

I guess at least Z got his yearly injury early this year, so he has a chance to get healthy and play at the end of the season and playoffs. But by then it'll probably be too late for the Pels' season. What a miserable fan experience he has given so far.

[louc1970]

Hmm I’m not so sure. It’s a lot of money to pay someone who doesn’t play. Lakers could offer vando, rui and 2 unprotected firsts (29, 31) plus 3 seconds I believe. I’m happy to start a new thread bc I don’t think zions value is what you think it is, but I don’t wanna be rude to the ops topic and veer of course. Happy to discuss respectfully in a new thread if you want me to make one

And that would be rejected quickly by NOP. Imagine the offers from other teams coming in for Zion (and I do not value him as much as others).

Rockets build a trade around Jabari Smith and Eason and filler.
Pistons offer everyone not named Cunningham.
The Thunder can offer pick after pick after pick plus Wallace, topic, Dieng, ....

But see, I don't see any of those teams you mentioned offering anything close to those packages. The injuries and inconsistencies with ZW has reached a near tipping point in value. Eason is showing to be a game changing player, doubt HOU would offer him to pair Sengun and Zion for a clunky apacing/defense fit. Pistons are now run by Langdon who is all too familiar with Zion's injury history and work ethic/maturity issues. Doubt he offers too much there. OKC.. don't see them adding Zion's 35+mil. contract to their core, when they could save that salary slot and assets for a true game changer like Giannis.

I guess at least Z got his yearly injury early this year, so he has a chance to get healthy and play at the end of the season and playoffs. But by then it'll probably be too late for the Pels' season. What a miserable fan experience he has given so far.

Of course no one is making offers. No one is offering for Giannis either.
But if either team let it be known the player was available, every team would be offering value for them.

[Scoot McGroot]

The Lakers NEED and I mean NEED 2 way players. Ingram does not solve their current roster issues nor is he worth the future investment along with losing draft capital. Once you make this deal you are committed to BI with AD as the team for the next 3 years or so. Lakers are better off staying flexible for other moves after this season.

Sure, they, and every team in the league needs two way players. So those players are expensive to acquire, and if LA isn’t willing to deal Reaves or the two stars, it gets awful tough to piece together valuations to acquire one of those two way players. And if it’s a star type player? I don’t know that they can reasonably piece together a valuable enough deal for a guy like that in season.

[Jody Smokz]

I agree but Brandon Ingram isn't the player they should be trading for. A lot of the trades that are presented on the board are based on maximizing Lebron's last run not looking at the Lakers as a team outside of that. Trading for BI to then have to pay him 40-50M to not solve a real roster issue is a bad move. If anything Lavine is a better option for them in terms of fit and you'd only have 2 years left on this money after this year.

The Lakers NEED and I mean NEED 2 way players. Ingram does not solve their current roster issues nor is he worth the future investment along with losing draft capital. Once you make this deal you are committed to BI with AD as the team for the next 3 years or so. Lakers are better off staying flexible for other moves after this season.

Sure, they, and every team in the league needs two way players. So those players are expensive to acquire, and if LA isn’t willing to deal Reaves or the two stars, it gets awful tough to piece together valuations to acquire one of those two way players. And if it’s a star type player? I don’t know that they can reasonably piece together a valuable enough deal for a guy like that in season.

[Scoot McGroot]

I agree but Brandon Ingram isn't the player they should be trading for. A lot of the trades that are presented on the board are based on maximizing Lebron's last run not looking at the Lakers as a team outside of that. Trading for BI to then have to pay him 40-50M to not solve a real roster issue is a bad move. If anything Lavine is a better option for them in terms of fit and you'd only have 2 years left on this money after this year.

The Lakers NEED and I mean NEED 2 way players. Ingram does not solve their current roster issues nor is he worth the future investment along with losing draft capital. Once you make this deal you are committed to BI with AD as the team for the next 3 years or so. Lakers are better off staying flexible for other moves after this season.

Sure, they, and every team in the league needs two way players. So those players are expensive to acquire, and if LA isn’t willing to deal Reaves or the two stars, it gets awful tough to piece together valuations to acquire one of those two way players. And if it’s a star type player? I don’t know that they can reasonably piece together a valuable enough deal for a guy like that in season.

I think the point is that La needs to improve. If they had the assets to acquire two way players, they should do that. Otherwise, they should try and improve however they can. If they had the assets to acquire two way players, the trade board would likely pitch those offers. They really don’t, so they need to bring their wants down a bit, and the trade forum generally pitches ideas of guys they can actually obtain.

But if you’re worried about getting out of money quicker, then just get Ingram’s expiring rather than riding out Lavine’s multi year?

[Jody Smokz]

That's plausible but I think Lavine fits the current foundation of the team better. If you have to trade for a fringe all star he'd be a better option than BI. I don't think BI is a real improvement as a 3rd player over Reaves with Bron. Certainly a better talent though.

Atleast with Lavine you get a high level scorer that still can function as an off ball shooter when not slotted to as the #1 or 2.

I agree but Brandon Ingram isn't the player they should be trading for. A lot of the trades that are presented on the board are based on maximizing Lebron's last run not looking at the Lakers as a team outside of that. Trading for BI to then have to pay him 40-50M to not solve a real roster issue is a bad move. If anything Lavine is a better option for them in terms of fit and you'd only have 2 years left on this money after this year.

Sure, they, and every team in the league needs two way players. So those players are expensive to acquire, and if LA isn’t willing to deal Reaves or the two stars, it gets awful tough to piece together valuations to acquire one of those two way players. And if it’s a star type player? I don’t know that they can reasonably piece together a valuable enough deal for a guy like that in season.

I think the point is that La needs to improve. If they had the assets to acquire two way players, they should do that. Otherwise, they should try and improve however they can. If they had the assets to acquire two way players, the trade board would likely pitch those offers. They really don’t, so they need to bring their wants down a bit, and the trade forum generally pitches ideas of guys they can actually obtain.

But if you’re worried about getting out of money quicker, then just get Ingram’s expiring rather than riding out Lavine’s multi year?